Poll result: NXT is a proper cryptocurrency

[iCEBREAKER]

Why would you say Nxt is a scam? They really introduced some new developments and cool features do the ecosystem...

its a big threat to many coins out there if nxt ever got big. best to keep fudding it.

If NXT is so fragile (and thus not anti-fragile) that "fudding" keeps it small, it will never get big and will never deserve to.

NXT eschews the KISS principle; NXT on Java on [OS] represents a massive attack surface.

Instead of fighting features, it runs out to greet them and invite them to crowd into its already bloated code/feature base.

Plus it's affiliated with SuperNet, another vapor-bloated mess of hype and delusion that promises the moon and delivers nothing but bags to hold.

Refactor NXT's basic protocol into C/C++ and it might start to become be a semi-legitimate (PoW notwithstanding) coin.  Until then, it's just another scam.

Anyone who trust their coins to (very) high level languages like Java (and its hopeless VM model) deserves to lose all their money.

[smoothie]

Anyone who trust their coins to (very) high level languages like Java (and and its hopeless VM model) deserves to lose all their money.

Anyone who trusts your FUD deserves to lose all their money when you conflate the secure JVM with the flaky Java libraries and flaky Java security model especially the grotesque web browser sand box model:

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=YMQqZoc6L3EC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&ots=82VUnh-Gfy#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://threatpost.com/javas-losing-security-legacy/102176/

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610267/security/patching-has-failed--so-it-s-time-for-java-to-go.html

One doesn't have to use the flaky aspects of Java when using the JVM. For example, the BitcoinJ Android bug was due to an error in the random number generator Android Java library. It had nothing to do with the JVM (virtual machine).

This sort of error proves that at best you are a very junior level programmer, or probably not even a programmer.

Also, you apparently don't understand programming enough to understand that many errors originate from the lack of semantic clarity and high level semantic invariants static type checking that isn't done in low level languages such as assembly, C, and C++. And C++ is one of the most complex, grotesque languages ever with perhaps only Perl and Brainfuck making it look good. And take this from someone who wrote a million user application in C++ and another one in C. I estimate you don't even know what sort of improvements in correctness pure functional programming can provide.

Get off my lawn kid!

Here you go guys!

This guy ^ is going to create the most revolutionary cryptocurrency (whatever you want to call it). Look at that attitude.

Such a humble guy. 

[smoothie]

Here you go guys!

This guy ^ is going to create the most revolutionary cryptocurrency (whatever you want to call it). Look at that attitude.

Such a humble guy.  

You want Kobe Byrant (of 5 years ago) or Jeremy Lin?

You want me to tolerate a lot of BS and not perform so all of us are happy losers, or tell you directly what is and what is required to win.

It's called being mature and humble.

Take a lesson from Satoshi.

[skeem]

its a big threat to many coins out there if nxt ever got big. best to keep fudding it.

I didn't concern this coin and didn't want to concern for a long time and won't forever. I have said no any unhappy words about it, but I really didn't like it.

[iCEBREAKER]

Anyone who trust their coins to (very) high level languages like Java (and and its hopeless VM model) deserves to lose all their money.

Anyone who trusts your FUD deserves to lose all their money when you conflate the secure JVM with the flaky Java libraries and flaky Java security model especially the grotesque web browser sand box model:

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=YMQqZoc6L3EC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&ots=82VUnh-Gfy#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://threatpost.com/javas-losing-security-legacy/102176/

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610267/security/patching-has-failed--so-it-s-time-for-java-to-go.html

One doesn't have to use the flaky aspects of Java when using the JVM. For example, the BitcoinJ Android bug was due to an error in the random number generator Android Java library. It had nothing to do with the JVM (virtual machine).

This sort of error proves that at best you are a very junior level programmer, or probably not even a programmer.

Also, you apparently don't understand programming enough to understand that many errors originate from the lack of semantic clarity and high level semantic invariants static type checking that isn't done in low level languages such as assembly, C, and C++. And C++ is one of the most complex, grotesque languages ever with perhaps only Perl and Brainfuck making it look good. And take this from someone who wrote a million user application in C++ and another one in C. I estimate you don't even know what sort of improvements in correctness pure functional programming can provide.

Get off my lawn kid!

OK you are right.  Sorry.

Java is more secure than C and C++, ESHPESHIALLY FOR FINTECH APPS.  We should port Bitcoin and Monero to Java ASAP.  

[tonycamp]

NXT its not a scam cause it does not takes me money but the factor of NXT waletts for instances into java makes it dependable of versions

[iCEBREAKER]

Java is more secure than C and C++, ESHPESHIALLY FOR FINTECH APPS.  We should port Bitcoin and Monero to Java ASAP.  

I didn't say it is more secure. But your FUD was over the top.

There are ways to use the JVM especially for example with a non-Java language and careful selection of libraries that has no reason to be any less secure than C and actually can be more secure in some respects (e.g. prevent buffer overruns that C doesn't, etc).

Also if you've got a lot of high level logic buried in low level noise, you are potentially more likely to have a bug in there which could be a security hole.

It is not some C is 1000X better than JVM.

If you want to say that Java libraries and security models suck, then fine. But don't damn the JVM (virtual machine) which is stable.

Cripes then you come back and spread more FUD again.

You are a classic asshole.

OMG...hi Anonymint.  Didn't realize it was you, not that I'd (out of respect) pull punches anyway.

The JVM doesn't just exist in splendid isolation.  Even (falsely) assuming it's secure/stable, the JVM can't (ie shouldn't) do much of anything without its libraries and security models.

Why does pointing out the obvious advantages of 'closer-to-the-iron' low-level interfaces for security-intensive (fintech, crypto) applications make me a "classic asshole?"

Is it because you are launching your ShelbyCoin on Java, or (Goddess forbid) NXT?  OMG, please tell me I'm wrong!!!  I will accept (slightly) below-market consulting fees if you need help finding a better approach, just because I know your attention span and risk tolerances are extremely limited (and feel sorry for you).

[Come-from-Beyond]

We should port Bitcoin and Monero to Java ASAP.  

First words of yours in this thread that make sense. Bitcoin is ported to Java already, but Monero would indeed win from porting. Java is #1 choice in Finance industry with C# slowly catching up.

[ion.cash]

The JVM doesn't just exist in splendid isolation.  Even (falsely) assuming it's secure/stable,

Even falsely assuming any new coin is secure/stable, including Bitcoin which had another bug recently which I saw you were commenting on.

I can assure you the JVM has orders-of-magnitude more eyeballs and test hours logged than Bitcoin and all the shitcoins combined.

the JVM can't (ie shouldn't) do much of anything without its libraries and security models.

Oh really? Then how come I can run my Scala crypto program on JVM without including a ton of Java libraries and no security models.

And hey what does a sandbox security model have to do with crypto code. You are really lost now.

Why does pointing out the obvious advantages of 'closer-to-the-iron' low-level interfaces for security-intensive (fintech, crypto) applications make me a "classic asshole?"

Pointing out illusions in a way that seems impressive to n00bs.

For example, where is the automatic buffer overrun protection in C?

I will accept (slightly) below-market consulting fees

I wouldn't work with you if you paid me to accept your assistance. The Mythical Math Month in spades. You've demonstrated to me on numerous times your inferior skills.

Btw remember you said Armstrong was full of shit. And now October 2015 is finally here and it is all coming down as predicted. Surely you will make some excuses on that this. You've never seen an argument that you can't lie and fake your way through.

[iCEBREAKER]

Java Scala is #1 choice in Finance industry with C# slowly catching up.

Fixed.   

[iCEBREAKER]

my Scala crypto program

Oh nice, I just mentioned Scala.  That's a decent choice for an NXT/ETH killer.  Carry on.

But if my power, water, refuse/recycling, and Comcast continue on through 2015.75 (or whatever you were calling Dooomsday) with negligible downtime, you (and MarTinfoil Armstrong) are going to have some 'splaining to do!   

[Come-from-Beyond]

Java Scala is #1 choice in Finance industry with C# slowly catching up.

Fixed.   

Not even close. Look what quick googling has given - http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/137065/the-six-hottest-programming-languages-to-know-in-banking-technology/

[iCEBREAKER]

Java Scala is #1 choice in Finance industry with C# slowly catching up.

Fixed.   

Not even close. Look what quick googling has given - http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/137065/the-six-hottest-programming-languages-to-know-in-banking-technology/

LOL.  Welcome to October 2014!

[TPTB_need_war]

But if my power, water, refuse/recycling, and Comcast continue on through 2015.75

Perhaps your reading comprehension or memory retention might be fading at your advanced age, but please do be reminded that 2015.75 is the start of the global contagion. You'll probably have your regular services levels through 2017 and we would look at the 2018 to 2020 timeframe for some serious civil unrest, war, and worsening expropriation.

As for Madmax, it was always made clear to you that this was a worst case option and if so it would be more likely in the post-2020 time frame. If Asia bottoms 2020 as expected and the Asia doesn't move in lock step on the expropriation of expats, then perhaps a release value frontier of that sort (or maybe crypto and a rising Knowledge Age) could avert the total devolution of the West. My bet is we won't go all the way to Madmax in most locales. Odds are much greater for a muddle through with some hotspots in the world 2016 - 2024. In order words, your location may determine how bad it is. For those fleeing ISIS or some in Ukraine, they already experienced the start of Madmax.

[jubalix]

Please vote and discuss

something very odd happened a few months before NXT.....is was sorta beta NXT, idenintical to first release in many ways some appeared saying I can do this with java etc released a beta and said that works then disapeared...later NXT came out.


The dev of nxt and what it can do, are  I think impressive.

Bitshares seem to be the main rival.

I still prefer Peercoin for large transaction single objective high value x-actions though, and the way it was launched and run.

Also I like the Peercoin community and Sunny king.


The NXT community and dev are also pretty good asfaik.

[Come-from-Beyond]

LOL.  Welcome to October 2014!

You can google for 2015, nothing will change.

[iCEBREAKER]

where is the automatic buffer overrun protection in C?

It's called being mature and humble.

Take a lesson from Satoshi.

Look in the mirror buddy. There is the ego problem.

If you aren't a shitty programmer, you know exactly what you're doing and don't need (high-overhead) training wheels like "automatic buffer protection."

Our egos are features, not bugs.  I rarely agree with smoothie, but he is on this occasion correct.  There is zero propensity for your "most revolutionary cryptocurrency (whatever you want to call it)" to be anything but a laughingstock.

I can't believe you are building your long-awaited magical UniCoin on NXT of all platforms.  How lazy.  How naive.  Such fail.

This

http://voxelsoft.com/dev/sumcoin.pdf

is what you should be generalizing, optimizing, implementing, and debugging, preferably in C++ and/or Erlang.

I'd love to work with you on that.  But you'd have to take a lesson from Satoshi and be mature and humble.  So it's not going to happen.

[Come-from-Beyond]

And iCEBREAKER will never become a rational amicable person with fairly balanced views with an open mind.

I know, I'm back after a long break and now am collecting trolls to play with. He is quite promising.

[illodin]

where is the automatic buffer overrun protection in C?

If you aren't a shitty programmer, you know exactly what you're doing and don't need (high-overhead) training wheels like "automatic buffer protection."

Aren't you the guy who also thinks increasing a variable in the source code makes the program larger, more complex, and bloated? I'd like to subscribe to your programming newsletter in case you have even more expert tidbits to share.

[iCEBREAKER]

If you aren't a shitty programmer, you know exactly what you're doing and don't need (high-overhead) training wheels like "automatic buffer protection."

Correct. But we were talking generalities here about relative security all factors considered.

Of course I am correct, but we we're not talking "generalities."  The topic is 'NXT is a scam.'

Ego (aka self esteem) means *not* giving a shit about what others think.  The word for giving a shit about what others think is 'insecurity.'

If you've made Sumcoin work, show us the Github and I might buy some on Poloniex.

Oh wait, it's yet another NXT scam-asset?  Never mind.

Why not implement Sumcoin 2.0 legitimately, as a sidechain or altcoin, instead?

If you don't, someone else will...