Europa League/Champions League Lounge

[Wendigo]

I think VAR helps football more than it hurts. During the World Cup some of the referees refused to consult themselves with their colleagues in the VAR room and made wrong calls like that referee in the Switzerland - Serbia match who didn't award a penalty to the Serbian team. If I remember correctly the referee straight up declined to review the situation and was sanctioned by FIFA later. If the main referee is biased VAR should overrule the wrong decisions and help balance the match. When there is video evidence match fixing will be minimized or completely stopped as referees will think twice before making bad calls.

[swogerino]

I think VAR helps football more than it hurts. During the World Cup some of the referees refused to consult themselves with their colleagues in the VAR room and made wrong calls like that referee in the Switzerland - Serbia match who didn't award a penalty to the Serbian team. If I remember correctly the referee straight up declined to review the situation and was sanctioned by FIFA later. If the main referee is biased VAR should overrule the wrong decisions and help balance the match. When there is video evidence match fixing will be minimized or completely stopped as referees will think twice before making bad calls.

The VAR in some instance can be used to hurt the game and it unfortunately did hurt the final too. I thought that the penalty given to France was a correct one, I am a casual gambler but I watch soccer a lot. And so after some days I was seeing all instagram troll pages were making fun of the Argentinian referee who gave that penalty with VAR. All these pages claimed it was not a penalty and many football experts commenting there did agree too. Overall though VAR should help more than should hurt if FIFA start to sanction referees who abuse it.

[tokeweed]

Ok...  Thinking about it some more, I think VAR 'could' be good for tourney or KO football where the closest of decisions will be very crucial like the CL (except the group stages), the domestic cup games, the WC, etc...  (You get the point).  But for league football, no way.  I like my football to stay as pure as much as possible thanks very much. 

[buwaytress]

Ok...  Thinking about it some more, I think VAR 'could' be good for tourney or KO football where the closest of decisions will be very crucial like the CL (except the group stages), the domestic cup games, the WC, etc...  (You get the point).  But for league football, no way.  I like my football to stay as pure as much as possible thanks very much. 

VAR and AI referees and touch sensor ball and pitch can all kiss my ass after I'm long dead, buried and pushing up daisies. Yes, football is prone to so much human error but as someone who enjoyed playing it for so many years, I'd take a bad decision any day over a dull 5-min wait for video to make the call. Call me conservative that way.

Anyway, one of my least ambitious parlays today to try and make it up for lost games: 2 home sides FC Sheriff and Hapoel Beer Sheva to get victories in Champs League qualification @3.36: https://www.bitcoinrush.io/sportsbook/ShareBet?id=Zm0%2FckEcOjXq0cW0L0qIsunLVeX8FgIpjgOFLdHDx4A%3D

[vd309]

I am for VAR to be implemented in all of the big leagues and tournaments. Effective play time ( when the ball is in play) for a football game is below 60 minutes. Every direct free kick take around 1min to be played, every penalty can took between 2-4 minutes - players jumping around the referee, he booking them, waiting to calm down and penalty to be taken. VAR will make the game more fair in my opinion, because in close games, one referee mistake can turn things around. For the time wasted there is additional time, as we see in the World Cup average stoppage time was 6.4 minutes.

[btctalk4life]

Ok...  Thinking about it some more, I think VAR 'could' be good for tourney or KO football where the closest of decisions will be very crucial like the CL (except the group stages), the domestic cup games, the WC, etc...  (You get the point).  But for league football, no way.  I like my football to stay as pure as much as possible thanks very much. 

Yes but please don't let champions league use VAR. It's better to not use VAR because i want more drama on champions league. It's better only use VAR on world cup, euro, and others international tournament/cup.

[LTU_btc]

Ok...  Thinking about it some more, I think VAR 'could' be good for tourney or KO football where the closest of decisions will be very crucial like the CL (except the group stages), the domestic cup games, the WC, etc...  (You get the point).  But for league football, no way.  I like my football to stay as pure as much as possible thanks very much. 

Previously I was against systems like VAR, but recently I changed my mind and I think it's really needed. It's just sucks to see teams robbed by blind referees. And in major national leagues we can see big referee mistakes in almost every match week. Maybe in UCL situation isn't that bad because only best referees are working there, but they still make mistakes.
We have video replays in all major sports - basketball, tennis, ice hockey, rugby and others - why football is so special?

[tokeweed]

^  Don't know.  I just want my football pure that has that element of human factor in it.  Other team sports just feels 'artificial' somehow if that makes any sense.  

And I hate the fact that VAR stops the game  longer than it has to be.  I want my football flowing and free of stoppages as much as possible.

[vd309]

Basketball, Hockey use the effective time of playing. Volleyball, Tennis - need certain points to be reached to finish the game. Some teams in football with not so good technical players rely on corners and fouls to make a goalscoring opportunities. That's why a foul in the center of the pitch may became a long cross into the box with center backs going in it and the referee can't enforce them to play it fast.

[Wendigo]

^  Don't know.  I just want my football pure that has that element of human factor in it.  Other team sports just feels 'artificial' somehow if that makes any sense.  

And I hate the fact that VAR stops the game  longer than it has to be.  I want my football flowing and free of stoppages as much as possible.

Yep stopping the game for prolonged periods of time sucks. That's why I can't stand NFL for example where they play uninterrupted for like 1 minute and then it's advertisement time for like 15 minutes lol. I am a big fan of ice hockey and at least the VAR pauses in the NHL are shorter so it's bearable. I am curious to see how VAR will pan out in the leading European football leagues and if FIFA are going to drop it if it turns out unpopular and people hate it. I think I might watch some soccer game from the MLS just to see how it feels to have it in a league match. But if it ends up having like 10 minutes extra time every single league match due to multiple VAR reviews during the game I guess people will get bored quickly and lose interest in the novelty of the system. I for one wouldn't like to watch that much extra time all season long

[tomahawk9]

^  Don't know.  I just want my football pure that has that element of human factor in it.  Other team sports just feels 'artificial' somehow if that makes any sense.  

I think we still have the human factor with the VAR, sure, it's not "pure" but it's still there. Look at the WC, some refs saw clearly an infraction with the VAR (both the main ref and the VAR), yet they did nothing...so they still make mistakes even after watching the slow motion replay.

And I hate the fact that VAR stops the game  longer than it has to be.  I want my football flowing and free of stoppages as much as possible.

Again, look at the added time in the WC games where the VAR was used, most of them got 5 min or 6 min of added time, not bad if you ask me.

[Pab]

Ok...  Thinking about it some more, I think VAR 'could' be good for tourney or KO football where the closest of decisions will be very crucial like the CL (except the group stages), the domestic cup games, the WC, etc...  (You get the point).  But for league football, no way.  I like my football to stay as pure as much as possible thanks very much. 

Previously I was against systems like VAR, but recently I changed my mind and I think it's really needed. It's just sucks to see teams robbed by blind referees. And in major national leagues we can see big referee mistakes in almost every match week. Maybe in UCL situation isn't that bad because only best referees are working there, but they still make mistakes.
We have video replays in all major sports - basketball, tennis, ice hockey, rugby and others - why football is so special?

But VAR already exist in Italian league  now will be in Spain  England Var is in use in very weak Polish league. Referee is not able to see everything  VAR is helping to take correct decision.So why not VAR in UEFA games

[swogerino]

Today I see we have only a few selection of Champions League games and so far I am watching Hapoel Beer Sheva. They never have failed to lose a game at home in Champions League preliminary stages and the first half ended 2-0. It is a very interesting game as Dinamo Zagreb don't play good on the road and the first leg ended 5-0 in favour of Dinamo Zagreb.

Betting live on over 3.5 goals seems a good option. I almost always bet only in live games because I consider to have better chances to win the bet.

[BitcoinSupremo]

I was watching the game of Spartak Trnava also my main tip of the day for them to qualify and I think the game has been fixed regarding the number of corners at least or I have huge doubts about that. Why do I say so ? Because in the first half when both teams were 11/11 until minute 37 before Legia got a red card, both teams barely made 3 corners. I saw in the second half that Trnava players started giving out corners intentionally and because of that I wish they could be eliminated from the tournament, no matter my tip of the day. This behavior is untolerable in a soccer game. And yet they say fixed games do not exist, yeah and I am Snowhite.

[Wendigo]

Really? Fixing the number of corner kicks?! Wow this is the first time I have heard about something like this   It's certainly possible though... By the way has anyone watched the Sheriff Tiraspol - Shkendija  match? Sheriff Tiraspol were the big favourite and a lot of people had money on them qualifying for the next round and I have heard comments that they had sold the match. I guess it's probably just bitter bettors spewing nonsense but you never know. Honestly some of these early qualifying rounds of Champions League and Europa League have always been sketchy to me. I think clubs from weaker leagues could make more money by selling their games instead of clawing their way to the group stage which is quite the impossible task for some of them.

[buwaytress]

Anyway, one of my least ambitious parlays today to try and make it up for lost games: 2 home sides FC Sheriff and Hapoel Beer Sheva to get victories in Champs League qualification @3.36: https://www.bitcoinrush.io/sportsbook/ShareBet?id=Zm0%2FckEcOjXq0cW0L0qIsunLVeX8FgIpjgOFLdHDx4A%3D

Bloody hell, draws for both, and the away teams progressed. I haven't won a single preseason bet. All those precious Bitcoin down the drain haha.

^  Don't know.  I just want my football pure that has that element of human factor in it.  Other team sports just feels 'artificial' somehow if that makes any sense. 

And I hate the fact that VAR stops the game  longer than it has to be.  I want my football flowing and free of stoppages as much as possible.

It makes sense to me. I would feel so pissed playing and waiting for more than 1 minute. I already get so titchy when game stops for unreasonable events (injuries are the only things I tolerate waiting for as a player). I already hate time wasting, simulation, overly planned set pieces... I'd probably lose my head at VAR.

Today I see we have only a few selection of Champions League games and so far I am watching Hapoel Beer Sheva. They never have failed to lose a game at home in Champions League preliminary stages and the first half ended 2-0. It is a very interesting game as Dinamo Zagreb don't play good on the road and the first leg ended 5-0 in favour of Dinamo Zagreb.

Betting live on over 3.5 goals seems a good option. I almost always bet only in live games because I consider to have better chances to win the bet.

Well, you did well, again. What were the odds for 3.5 goals live? I should really learn my lesson about parlays!

[LTU_btc]

I was watching the game of Spartak Trnava also my main tip of the day for them to qualify and I think the game has been fixed regarding the number of corners at least or I have huge doubts about that. Why do I say so ? Because in the first half when both teams were 11/11 until minute 37 before Legia got a red card, both teams barely made 3 corners. I saw in the second half that Trnava players started giving out corners intentionally and because of that I wish they could be eliminated from the tournament, no matter my tip of the day. This behavior is untolerable in a soccer game. And yet they say fixed games do not exist, yeah and I am Snowhite.

Yeah, there was some fixed games in early rounds of UEFA competitions, but fixing number of corners? Wow, it's strange conspiracy theory. Usually clubs from small leagues are involved in match fixing and choose to fix winner of game, unders/overs, winning margin, number of yellow cards, but not number of corners.
Anyway, elimination of Legia by Spartak Trnava was one of the biggest surprises in this qualification so far.
Today 9 more games will be played.

[miha8]

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[buwaytress]

Late bets today, so yes, I haven't learned any parlay lessons. Qarabag disappointed me last time around but I'm going to try and get them to pad up a 2-game Ajax/Celtic parlay @4.48

Celtic's really not the strong team I used to watch but they're still champions, same can be said of Ajax. Be nice to see either one plus Qarabag come into the CL group stages.

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