Mike Hearn and XT are dead to me

[JPage]

Like many others, I'd love to see the block size go to 8MB soon.  But Mike Hearn is trying to sneak his very much hated blacklist code in there at the same time.  If XT were about blocksize only, I'd jump on it.  However, now that it has been shown to carry a sweet little hidden blacklist module - I will never trust anything from Mike Hearn ever again.  That is shocking BS and serious dirty business.  Hearn, Gavin and anyone who touches that strategy is fundamentally corrupt. 

XT is dead.  Hearn is dead.  That game is OVER. 

[meono]

Like many others, I'd love to see the block size go to 8MB soon.  But Mike Hearn is trying to sneak his very much hated blacklist code in there at the same time.  If XT were about blocksize only, I'd jump on it.  However, now that it has been shown to carry a sweet little hidden blacklist module - I will never trust anything from Mike Hearn ever again.  That is shocking BS and serious dirty business.  Hearn, Gavin and anyone who touches that strategy is fundamentally corrupt. 

XT is dead.  Hearn is dead.  That game is OVER. 

Noone sneaked shit... But nice try to repeat the FUD

[Ilove-Obama]

Like many others, I'd love to see the block size go to 8MB soon.  But Mike Hearn is trying to sneak his very much hated blacklist code in there at the same time.  If XT were about blocksize only, I'd jump on it.  However, now that it has been shown to carry a sweet little hidden blacklist module - I will never trust anything from Mike Hearn ever again.  That is shocking BS and serious dirty business.  Hearn, Gavin and anyone who touches that strategy is fundamentally corrupt. 

XT is dead.  Hearn is dead.  That game is OVER. 

    
More detail please , XT the project is closed?

[maokoto]

And what does that supposed "black list code" do? With what purpose would Mike include it?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Like many others, I'd love to see the block size go to 8MB soon.  But Mike Hearn is trying to sneak his very much hated blacklist code in there at the same time.  If XT were about blocksize only, I'd jump on it.  However, now that it has been shown to carry a sweet little hidden blacklist module - I will never trust anything from Mike Hearn ever again.  That is shocking BS and serious dirty business.  Hearn, Gavin and anyone who touches that strategy is fundamentally corrupt.  

XT is dead.  Hearn is dead.  That game is OVER.  

I don't trust them either. Something very suspicious about Hearn & Gavin. To be honest they're pissing me off, trying to make bitcoin like the fiat banking system with them 2 right at the head of it. Why should they have any control over what is supposed to be a decentralised monetary system. Fuck the pair of them.

[JPage]

Like many others, I'd love to see the block size go to 8MB soon.  But Mike Hearn is trying to sneak his very much hated blacklist code in there at the same time.  If XT were about blocksize only, I'd jump on it.  However, now that it has been shown to carry a sweet little hidden blacklist module - I will never trust anything from Mike Hearn ever again.  That is shocking BS and serious dirty business.  Hearn, Gavin and anyone who touches that strategy is fundamentally corrupt.  

XT is dead.  Hearn is dead.  That game is OVER.  

Noone sneaked shit... But nice try to repeat the FUD

It's not FUD dumbass - Hearn built a blacklist system into XT.  Then sold XT as a blocksize deal.  XT is actually a blacklist system.  Blocksize is in there just so he could sell it.  Hearn has long been an advocate of blacklists - which are a complete disaster for everyone.  Hearn and XT are 100% dead.  

And what does that supposed "black list code" do? With what purpose would Mike include it?

Not 'supposed'.  Here are the words from Hearn's mouth:

[pedrog]

Can you point out exactly where the blacklist code is, and if the blacklist mode is hidden how do you know it's there?

Please explain how the code does that.

[meono]

Sounds like someone doesnt undersatnd shit and resort tovvvargue like a 7yrs old

[Ilove-Obama]

Like many others, I'd love to see the block size go to 8MB soon.  But Mike Hearn is trying to sneak his very much hated blacklist code in there at the same time.  If XT were about blocksize only, I'd jump on it.  However, now that it has been shown to carry a sweet little hidden blacklist module - I will never trust anything from Mike Hearn ever again.  That is shocking BS and serious dirty business.  Hearn, Gavin and anyone who touches that strategy is fundamentally corrupt.  

XT is dead.  Hearn is dead.  That game is OVER.  

I don't trust them either. Something very suspicious about Hearn & Gavin. To be honest they're pissing me off, trying to make bitcoin like the fiat banking system with them 2 right at the head of it. Why should they have any control over what is supposed to be a decentralised monetary system. Fuck the pair of them.

Down with them away from the project

[DannyHamilton]

It's not FUD dumbass
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Link please?

I'm not aware of any such changes.  Where did you hear about this?  Are you sure it was a reliable source?

[ticoti]

What is that of blacklisting?

I don't understand it really well

[knight22]

What is that of blacklisting?

I don't understand it really well

It's basically DDOS protection.

[meono]

What is that of blacklisting?

I don't understand it really well

Its an anti DOS attack algorithm that block ip of the attackers. Its listed in the changelog of bitcoinXT. Certain ppl take it and spin as FUD that Mike "sneaked" the code in and the code was to "blacklist" coins, this is due to them not bother reading bitcoinXT page at all or they just intentionally smear bs for their agenda.

[pedrog]

It seems this is also relevant in here, Mike Hearn's words:

You seem to think I hate Tor. I am actually the maintainer of a full blown Tor implementation (Orchid). I've done a lot of work on integrating it into bitcoinj and I'm basically the only guy who can actually move the needle on Tor/Bitcoin usage, by enabling the use of it by default in consumer wallets that have hundreds of thousands of installs. We're not there yet (it's still too slow) but we're a lot closer than before.

This doesn't change the fact that Tor is heavily abused. It can be useful but it's a frequent source of attacks of all kinds. So finding ways to get the good without the bad involves some tricky coding.

Below, you say "anyone can jam the network with just two IP addresses". Yes, that's unfortunate isn't it. I've been sounding the alarm about Bitcoin Core's poor DoS protection for years. Nobody listened, that's why I have now written a new anti-DoS system that can handle this sort of thing. It starts by clustering and deprioritising Tor because we've seen actual jamming attacks that came through Tor, and because using it is a lot safer and more convenient for an attacker than using your own IP addresses or using a botnet. But it absolutely should be extended to have more advanced heuristics. Instead of whinging that (gasp) loading a file from a web server is "insane", maybe you should be writing code instead.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10048768

[kilter71]

What is that of blacklisting?

I don't understand it really well

It's basically DDOS protection.

Yes, except who has the power to alter who is classified as an "attacker"?  Once you can blacklist an IP can't someone decide to apply to it anyone?

[LiteCoinGuy]

Like many others, I'd love to see the block size go to 8MB soon.  But Mike Hearn is trying to sneak his very much hated blacklist code in there at the same time.  If XT were about blocksize only, I'd jump on it.  However, now that it has been shown to carry a sweet little hidden blacklist module - I will never trust anything from Mike Hearn ever again.  That is shocking BS and serious dirty business.  Hearn, Gavin and anyone who touches that strategy is fundamentally corrupt. 

i think that is false but take a look:

https://de.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hk4ce/bitcoindev_bitcoin_xts_tor_ip_blacklist/

[Envrin]

Mike Hearn can sit on this and spin:

What balls to try a hostile takeover of something like bitcoin.  Thankfully it backfired on him and Gavin, so maybe we can get back to actual issues instead of playing child games with this stuff.

[meono]

What is that of blacklisting?

I don't understand it really well

It's basically DDOS protection.

Yes, except who has the power to alter who is classified as an "attacker"?  Once you can blacklist an IP can't someone decide to apply to it anyone?

Its a rule not a protocol. Anyone run wallet client can use any rules they want regarding relay txs.

Frankly the code in bitcoinXT clearly shows how it determines attackers.

That does not mean someone cant change the code for their own clients to fit their definition of attackers.

Are you aware that this has been with bitcoin core wallet client as well? Many users actually add their rules to block dice websites.

Now dont fall for FUD like this next time. Take step to validate what you're told

[pedrog]

What is that of blacklisting?

I don't understand it really well

It's basically DDOS protection.

Yes, except who has the power to alter who is classified as an "attacker"?  Once you can blacklist an IP can't someone decide to apply to it anyone?

Mike is the first to admit the code isn't good, if you have a better proposal please submit it, I'm pretty sure Mike will approve it.

[Envrin]

Mike is the first to admit the code isn't good, if you have a better proposal please submit it, I'm pretty sure Mike will approve it.

No, the entire premise is garbage, and completely against the founding principles of bitcoin.  Who has the right to say who can and can not own bitcoin?  What law book are we following on this one?

No, bitcoin should always remain neutral, regardless of circumstances.  Don't let politics get involved, because you'll ruin the entire premise of bitcoin in and of itself.