Its time for the campaign runners to raise your pathetic rates

[ColderThanIce]

Note: If bitcoin drops constantly below $200 I think would be a time to re-evaluate the rates.

Agree to this. Looks like I will agree with the TS now if bitcoin price continue to drops. Campaign managers must consider this now for future purposes because of current drop rates.

It's been mentioned before though - the signature campaign market is all supply and demand. Since there are lots of accounts willing to post at current pay rates, why would campaigns raise their payments? They'd be getting the same amount of advertising, but paying more for no real benefit.

If you really want to protest the rates of signature campaigns, then don't join a campaign. If less people joined campaigns, I suspect campaigns would either raise their rates, or just end the campaign. But you have to think about the advertiser - why would you raise pay rates by 10% or 20% for no benefit in web traffic? Doesn't make sense to them if the campaign is going well for them already.

[RonPaulBTC]

Note: If bitcoin drops constantly below $200 I think would be a time to re-evaluate the rates.

Annnd to sub 200 we go. No excuses now, time to raise those rates. Im afraid we will keep going down for a long time. We are under WORLDWIDE PANIC right now, everything is fucking plummeting. Lets try to help people here getting some cheap Bitcoins during this period of time, who knows, maybe lives are being saved in the future. Maybe after the halving we will never see prices this low again, it's time to collect and to compensate people here for supporting Bitcoin even during the hardest times.

One thing to keep in mind is that signature campaign owners are not required to create these campaigns and pay users. The fact they do gives us an ability to earn a bit of extra money on the side, in a productive manner.

If your entire income is based on signature campaigns, you really need to re-evaluate your life to be honest.

I know people living in shitty places that are making a living thanks to signature campaigns. High unemployment, low payrates, 3rd world standard of living. Some have enough good english to keep making good posts and make more of what they could make working some slavery job. The importance of the signature campaigns is underrated, they save lives. Someone with good english and a computer in Peru that has a Hero account can be making above average monthly income. Signature campaigns are one of the main tools to distribute Bitcoin around the world to all kinds of people.

[OROBTC]

Note: If bitcoin drops constantly below $200 I think would be a time to re-evaluate the rates.

Annnd to sub 200 we go. No excuses now, time to raise those rates. Im afraid we will keep going down for a long time. We are under WORLDWIDE PANIC right now, everything is fucking plummeting. Lets try to help people here getting some cheap Bitcoins during this period of time, who knows, maybe lives are being saved in the future. Maybe after the halving we will never see prices this low again, it's time to collect and to compensate people here for supporting Bitcoin even during the hardest times.

One thing to keep in mind is that signature campaign owners are not required to create these campaigns and pay users. The fact they do gives us an ability to earn a bit of extra money on the side, in a productive manner.

If your entire income is based on signature campaigns, you really need to re-evaluate your life to be honest.

I know people living in shitty places that are making a living thanks to signature campaigns. High unemployment, low payrates, 3rd world standard of living. Some have enough good english to keep making good posts and make more of what they could make working some slavery job. The importance of the signature campaigns is underrated, they save lives. Someone with good english and a computer in Peru that has a Hero account can be making above average monthly income. Signature campaigns are one of the main tools to distribute Bitcoin around the world to all kinds of people.

I would not mind at all higher payments.  But what I get is good enough to keep me in.

bitmixer.io pays up to (max) 0.035 BTC / week (50 posts * BTC0.0007 each).  BTC0.035 * 4 = $28.00 (at $200 / Bitcoin) per month is well under even Peru's minimum wage (I understand it does not take too much time to post 50 times if you are "working"), and yes, it is profitable for smart participants in developing countries at those rates, it is still fairly small change.

Even in Peru.  Annual GNP/capita in Peru is over $2000.  $28.00 * 12 is nice, but only affects a very small number there.

Other countries and other signature campaigns may have different mileage!


(Edited for clarification)

[jdebunt]

I know people living in shitty places that are making a living thanks to signature campaigns. High unemployment, low payrates, 3rd world standard of living. Some have enough good english to keep making good posts and make more of what they could make working some slavery job. The importance of the signature campaigns is underrated, they save lives. Someone with good english and a computer in Peru that has a Hero account can be making above average monthly income. Signature campaigns are one of the main tools to distribute Bitcoin around the world to all kinds of people.

On a grand scale, the number of people making a proper living from these campaigns is almost neglectable though.

However, you do raise a valid point, as certain people will benefit from these campaigns more so than others.

[kevindurant]

After this price drop I agree with you. It's still free market but all campaigns need to raise their rates if we think about $ value.

[dothebeats]

After this price drop I agree with you. It's still free market but all campaigns need to raise their rates if we think about $ value.

It's still up for the campaign managers to up their rates. After all, even if $ value of bitcoin goes down, would the quality of posts made by users go up if campaign managers raise their rates? They would still get the same level of advertising without any actual effect on their service, so why raise it when they really get what they want?

[jdebunt]

It's still up for the campaign managers to up their rates. After all, even if $ value of bitcoin goes down, would the quality of posts made by users go up if campaign managers raise their rates? They would still get the same level of advertising without any actual effect on their service, so why raise it when they really get what they want?

Increasing the rates probably means less qualitative posts and more spamming in general to earn as much money as possible

[dothebeats]

It's still up for the campaign managers to up their rates. After all, even if $ value of bitcoin goes down, would the quality of posts made by users go up if campaign managers raise their rates? They would still get the same level of advertising without any actual effect on their service, so why raise it when they really get what they want?

Increasing the rates probably means less qualitative posts and more spamming in general to earn as much money as possible

That's what it is. The quality per post wouldn't actually change in case campaign managers raise their rates. A campaign manager could actually check the posts of each user one by one, but that is such a tedious work to do on the manager's end.

[Possum577]

The campaign runners have been getting away with lowering the rates WHILE the price of BTC has been on a downtrend since forever.
I think it's safe to say they should be raising their rates. The campaigns paying 0.010 per post or something like that, should raise to a decent 0.013 like DaDice did. The price is only getting LOWER so this is nothing but a scam at this point. Remember that things don't change as long as you keep accepting low payments, the business rulers will be happy to keep rates as low as possible without people complaining.

Are you a Socialist? This is a free market, if you don't like the pay don't provide the service!

Note: If bitcoin drops constantly below $200 I think would be a time to re-evaluate the rates.

Why should rates be based on fiat values? These aren't companies that deal in fiat (except the exchanges), they ONLY deal in Bitcoin. All that matters is Bitcoin!

Annnd to sub 200 we go. No excuses now, time to raise those rates. Im afraid we will keep going down for a long time. We are under WORLDWIDE PANIC right now, everything is fucking plummeting. Lets try to help people here getting some cheap Bitcoins during this period of time, who knows, maybe lives are being saved in the future. Maybe after the halving we will never see prices this low again, it's time to collect and to compensate people here for supporting Bitcoin even during the hardest times.

I think the only one panicking is you. The smart money is buying into these declines in the stock markets and the bitcoin market...do you believe that the world's businesses are going to stop? If so, panic. If not, don't be sore and buy some more.

Increasing the rates probably means less qualitative posts and more spamming in general to earn as much money as possible

I'm not so sure about this. People aren't going to make less constructive posts just because they're getting paid more. What drives post quality is disqualifying bad posts. And from the advertisers perspective, there's no difference between the ad on a good post vs. the ad on a bad post.

[ranlo]

It's still up for the campaign managers to up their rates. After all, even if $ value of bitcoin goes down, would the quality of posts made by users go up if campaign managers raise their rates? They would still get the same level of advertising without any actual effect on their service, so why raise it when they really get what they want?

Increasing the rates probably means less qualitative posts and more spamming in general to earn as much money as possible

That's what it is. The quality per post wouldn't actually change in case campaign managers raise their rates. A campaign manager could actually check the posts of each user one by one, but that is such a tedious work to do on the manager's end.

It's not that much work at all. Assuming there's, say 50 users, and each made 200 posts, that can be done in around an hour. Some of these campaign managers are earning multiple BTC per week/month, which is more than enough to pay for it.

[Blazed]

I think they already pay a lot for us doing nothing extra. These campaigns are supposed to be some free extra coins...not a job. They could all lower the rates and still fill up no matter what. Perfect example of beggars can't be choosers.

[ranlo]

I think they already pay a lot for us doing nothing extra. These campaigns are supposed to be some free extra coins...not a job. They could all lower the rates and still fill up no matter what. Perfect example of beggars can't be choosers.

The sad part is most of the people that complain about the rates are people who would make a lot more if they'd quit being lazy and get a real job. 0.1 BTC is ~100-150 posts in most campaigns, if not more. That's $23. You can work at McDonald's and earn more than that in 3 hours, with less work AND get benefits like health/school/etc, discounted food, etc.

[luciann]

I think they already pay a lot for us doing nothing extra. These campaigns are supposed to be some free extra coins...not a job. They could all lower the rates and still fill up no matter what. Perfect example of beggars can't be choosers.

Some people make it a temp job.

Which I understand, example you got laid off recently and in the process of finding one this can be a helpful things which they are doing an honorable service at the same time.

[Tstar]

The rates are neutral in most of the campaigns ...and yes it would be very good if they make it 0.002 for H/L and 0.0015 for S and the rest can be the same as now..
but its just my opinion though.

[calchuchesta]

Look how quick campaigns now are lowering rates, but back in the day they wouldn't have the decency to raise the rates higher when the rate was really low.

Don't be the nice-guy-im-ok-with-it and fight for your rights, posters.

[Eastwind]

MajicalDice has changed its pay rate. It is priced in USD now. In terms of bitcoin price, it is less than half of previous rates.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1237314.0

[bf4btc]

MajicalDice has changed its pay rate. It is priced in USD now. In terms of bitcoin price, it is less than half of previous rates.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1237314.0

I don't agree with that or see the problem paying same rates in (bitcoin). If you have a bitcoin business and receive bitcoin you have no loss paying out the members that promote you in bitcoin. It is a shame people accept them rates now that will be the norm. For the sites being cheap well good luck.

[ajareselde]

MajicalDice has changed its pay rate. It is priced in USD now. In terms of bitcoin price, it is less than half of previous rates.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1237314.0

I don't agree with that or see the problem paying same rates in (bitcoin). If you have a bitcoin business and receive bitcoin you have no loss paying out the members that promote you in bitcoin. It is a shame people accept them rates now that will be the norm. For the sites being cheap well good luck.

I would also like to see every service here only in bitcoin prices, and to those who are offering payments displayed in USD value, well, you never know,
maybe the price nosedives and they end up paying more btc with new USD rates, than they would if they just kept them in bitcoin.