Does xt REALLY log your ip address? and want to blacklist addresses and coins?

[crypto jerk]

Easy question here?

Does bitcoin core log your ip?

Does xt log your ip?

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[canth]

Easy question here?

Does bitcoin core log your ip?

Does xt log your ip?

No

[crypto jerk]

they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

[canth]

It hurts me to reply to this since I know I'm being trolled but I can't help myself.

1) Running a bitcoin full node of any kind (core, XT or other) means you connect in plaintext to at least 8 other nodes. Your ISP knows, your gov't knows and 8 other nodes certainly know that you are running bitcoin. If you have incoming ports opened, even more people know you are running a bitcoin node. https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/

2) You can disable the anti-ddos feature if you don't want to run it. -disableipprio

3) There's nothing hidden about it. It's open source, hearn posted the inclusion of the anti-ddos feautres to the XT mailing list, etc.

Troll harder, plz.

[iGotSpots]

Ignore the white knights on both sides. Objectively, nothing about XT, or the temper tantrum launch, is good. It's a display of pure ignorance

[kelsey]

i know this forum logs ur ip  

run run run the sky is falling


(if bitcoinxt gets up logged ip's will be the least of ur worries)

[username18333]

3) There's nothing hidden about it. It's open source, [H]earn posted the inclusion of the anti-ddos feautres to the XT mailing list, etc.

General expectation dictates that a disclosure is to "go forth" unto to its intended recipient(s) (e.g., startup EULA windows), not vice versa.

[username18333]

i know this forum logs ur ip  

run run run the sky is falling


(if bitcoinxt gets up logged ip's will be the least of ur worries)

A BCT "blacklist" (turtlehurricane) is, merely, analogous to a BTC "blacklist" (turtlehurricane), not equivalent.

Code:

BCT : Forum : : BTC : Currency

[bathrobehero]

Another question; does your IP address really matter?

[kelsey]

Another question; does your IP address really matter?

kinda my earlier point  

but this issue with it goes beyond just the ip login.

[canth]

Another question; does your IP address really matter?

kinda my earlier point  

but this issue with it goes beyond just the ip login.

Hold on wait! It's around here somewhere...ahh. Found it. OK, I've got my tinfoil hat on - please enlighten us about how far it goes.

[kelsey]

Another question; does your IP address really matter?

kinda my earlier point  

but this issue with it goes beyond just the ip login.

Hold on wait! It's around here somewhere...ahh. Found it. OK, I've got my tinfoil hat on - please enlighten us about how far it goes.

mike hearn was the third gunman on bambi's parents 

[Sir Alpha_goy]

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[canth]

Another question; does your IP address really matter?

kinda my earlier point  

but this issue with it goes beyond just the ip login.

Hold on wait! It's around here somewhere...ahh. Found it. OK, I've got my tinfoil hat on - please enlighten us about how far it goes.

mike hearn was the third gunman on bambi's parents 

lol. Everyone knows that! I heard he was going to be the pedo spokesperson for Subway.

[crypto jerk]

It hurts me to reply to this since I know I'm being trolled but I can't help myself.

1) Running a bitcoin full node of any kind (core, XT or other) means you connect in plaintext to at least 8 other nodes. Your ISP knows, your gov't knows and 8 other nodes certainly know that you are running bitcoin. If you have incoming ports opened, even more people know you are running a bitcoin node. https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/

2) You can disable the anti-ddos feature if you don't want to run it. -disableipprio

3) There's nothing hidden about it. It's open source, hearn posted the inclusion of the anti-ddos feautres to the XT mailing list, etc.

Troll harder, plz.

    So asking a question is trolling, my special friend?

I want to know if hearn/gavin are doing nefarious things to the code.

     Turtlehuricane says that xt is specificaly logging ip addresses. Is it true or not?

You are saying it is no different then core. Ok.

      Is turtlehuricane wrong then?

[Brad Harrison]

I have to agree with the above user

[canth]

It hurts me to reply to this since I know I'm being trolled but I can't help myself.

1) Running a bitcoin full node of any kind (core, XT or other) means you connect in plaintext to at least 8 other nodes. Your ISP knows, your gov't knows and 8 other nodes certainly know that you are running bitcoin. If you have incoming ports opened, even more people know you are running a bitcoin node. https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/

2) You can disable the anti-ddos feature if you don't want to run it. -disableipprio

3) There's nothing hidden about it. It's open source, hearn posted the inclusion of the anti-ddos feautres to the XT mailing list, etc.

Troll harder, plz.

    So asking a question is trolling, my special friend?

I want to know if hearn/gavin are doing nefarious things to the code.

     Turtlehuricane says that xt is specificaly logging ip addresses. Is it true or not?

You are saying it is no different then core. Ok.

      Is turtlehuricane wrong then?

BitcoinXT has an anti-ddos feature, it can block connections to certain IPs, it downloads a list from an SSL site. Yes, the site might get your IP address. The entire feature can be disabled with one flag in the config.

Unless you're running behind Tor and/or VPN, ALL bitcoin full node products 'leak' your IP address to other bitcoin nodes and the internet in general. turtlehurican is just dumping FUD...

[elyas772]

im not sure about it

[username18333]

im not sure about it

Seemingly, the primary concern, here, is the capacity of government (or, potentially, another body) to abuse (or, for reason of abuse, alter) the "feature" after its users constitute a "captive audience" (i.e., after that feature has become ubiquitous among Bitcoin clients).

[canth]

im not sure about it

Seemingly, the primary concern, here, is the capacity of government (or, potentially, another body) to abuse (or, for reason of abuse, alter) the "feature" after its users constitute a "captive audience" (i.e., after that feature has become ubiquitous among Bitcoin clients).

It's been 30 days since Bitcoin Core/XT released v 0.11.0. In that time, there are 3000 nodes that have upgraded and while 0.11.0 has a lot of fixes, it's by no means a critical/required update. If a non consensus feature became abused and widely disseminated and agreed upon as 'bad for bitcoin', why wouldn't clients switch to a new version w/o that feature enabled in even less time?

[KhalDrago]

No, XT is the way to go mainstream.

[bat26]

As if there wasn't enough threads at over 15!!!

[username18333]

It's been 30 days since Bitcoin Core/XT released v 0.11.0. In that time, there are 3000 nodes that have upgraded and while 0.11.0 has a lot of fixes, it's by no means a critical/required update. If a non consensus feature became abused and widely disseminated and agreed upon as 'bad for bitcoin', why wouldn't clients switch to a new version w/o that feature enabled in even less time?

(Colorization mine.)

If these "clients" (canth) moved, without coercion, to utilize "a non consensus feature" (canth) then it had not been "agreed upon as 'bad for itcoin'" (canth).

[crypto jerk]

they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

FWIW I've run into a lot of regulatory people who have pretty clear views that Bitcoin mining should be regulated such that addresses are blacklisted or even whitelisted. Obviously that's a goal, not necessarily what they'll succeed in making happen, but that's what the long-term intent is. For instance, one regulator I talked to a few months ago at a conference was *very* clear in her view that the Bitcoin protocol simply must be changed to add verified digital identities to the protocol itself, and mining blocks with transactions without valid identities and/or extending blockchains with non-compliant transactions should be an illegal activity that's prosecuted.

More and more I see it likely that Bitcoin is going to become "the worst nightmare we could have ever imagined".

Mike Hearn is one of those that will be remembered as a person that "paved the way to hell with good intentions".

As a person I actually have found him to be okay so it is disappointing that he just doesn't seem to see what it is that he has decided to support (which is complete totalitarian control over everyone's finances).

In the future I predict we'll miss when we had "cash".

[canth]

they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

FWIW I've run into a lot of regulatory people who have pretty clear views that Bitcoin mining should be regulated such that addresses are blacklisted or even whitelisted. Obviously that's a goal, not necessarily what they'll succeed in making happen, but that's what the long-term intent is. For instance, one regulator I talked to a few months ago at a conference was *very* clear in her view that the Bitcoin protocol simply must be changed to add verified digital identities to the protocol itself, and mining blocks with transactions without valid identities and/or extending blockchains with non-compliant transactions should be an illegal activity that's prosecuted.

More and more I see it likely that Bitcoin is going to become "the worst nightmare we could have ever imagined".

Mike Hearn is one of those that will be remembered as a person that "paved the way to hell with good intentions".

As a person I actually have found him to be okay so it is disappointing that he just doesn't seem to see what it is that he has decided to support (which is complete totalitarian control over everyone's finances).

In the future I predict we'll miss when we had "cash".

I've got good news for you. All of your fears can be solved by  -disableipprio

[crypto jerk]

they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

FWIW I've run into a lot of regulatory people who have pretty clear views that Bitcoin mining should be regulated such that addresses are blacklisted or even whitelisted. Obviously that's a goal, not necessarily what they'll succeed in making happen, but that's what the long-term intent is. For instance, one regulator I talked to a few months ago at a conference was *very* clear in her view that the Bitcoin protocol simply must be changed to add verified digital identities to the protocol itself, and mining blocks with transactions without valid identities and/or extending blockchains with non-compliant transactions should be an illegal activity that's prosecuted.

More and more I see it likely that Bitcoin is going to become "the worst nightmare we could have ever imagined".

Mike Hearn is one of those that will be remembered as a person that "paved the way to hell with good intentions".

As a person I actually have found him to be okay so it is disappointing that he just doesn't seem to see what it is that he has decided to support (which is complete totalitarian control over everyone's finances).

In the future I predict we'll miss when we had "cash".

I've got good news for you. All of your fears can be solved by  -disableipprio

"Trust US we're from the government and we're here to help" ROFL

so you are basically saying, the features aren't necessary.

But the features ARE there.

and they CAN be used for oppressive purposes.

When in the course of human history has a power that be NOT taken advantage of power?

I vote NO CONFIDENCE in XT, Gavin and Hearn.

[canth]

they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

FWIW I've run into a lot of regulatory people who have pretty clear views that Bitcoin mining should be regulated such that addresses are blacklisted or even whitelisted. Obviously that's a goal, not necessarily what they'll succeed in making happen, but that's what the long-term intent is. For instance, one regulator I talked to a few months ago at a conference was *very* clear in her view that the Bitcoin protocol simply must be changed to add verified digital identities to the protocol itself, and mining blocks with transactions without valid identities and/or extending blockchains with non-compliant transactions should be an illegal activity that's prosecuted.

More and more I see it likely that Bitcoin is going to become "the worst nightmare we could have ever imagined".

Mike Hearn is one of those that will be remembered as a person that "paved the way to hell with good intentions".

As a person I actually have found him to be okay so it is disappointing that he just doesn't seem to see what it is that he has decided to support (which is complete totalitarian control over everyone's finances).

In the future I predict we'll miss when we had "cash".

I've got good news for you. All of your fears can be solved by  -disableipprio

"Trust US we're from the government and we're here to help" ROFL

so you are basically saying, the features aren't necessary.

But the features ARE there.

and they CAN be used for oppressive purposes.

When in the course of human history has a power that be NOT taken advantage of power?

I vote NO CONFIDENCE in XT, Gavin and Hearn.

I'm not all that confident that you know how bitcoin works, nevermind the anti-ddos feature.

1) The feature does NOTHING unless you have a node that has all of it's incoming connections in use. In the event that connections are full and a node connects to you, there needs to be some logic as to whether to accept the new connection, drop it and what connections to prioritize. In order to prevent your node from being attacked by malicious nodes, there is a desire to drop certain connections first - in this case, Tor connections are de-prioritized. Basically, 99% of the time this feature has no impact whatsoever.

2) If you disable it, it does nothing at all.

How can it be used for an "oppressive purpose" if it's disabled? What special power does Hearn have to "take advantage of power"? Dude...this is FOSS. If you don't like something about it, you can vote with your feet and leave. Give it up, plz.

[crypto jerk]

Let me simplify..

Does XT work nicely with black and whitelists?

If so, then I think you know what I'm going to say.

[chrisvl]

there are posted on wrong place

[canth]

Let me simplify..

Does XT work nicely with black and whitelists?

If so, then I think you know what I'm going to say.

This conversation is boring and you aren't educating me or anyone else here with your tripe. Unsubscribe.

[username18333]

In order to prevent your node from being attacked by malicious nodes, there is a desire to drop certain connections first - in this case, Tor connections are de-prioritized.

(Note: the [present] irrelevance of the [presently, non-] issue you reference renders the reference specious. [See the below.])

Hitler was the archetypal "charismatic leader". He was not a "normal" politician - someone who promises policies like lower taxes and better health care - but a quasi-religious leader who offered almost spiritual goals of redemption and salvation. He was driven forward by a sense of personal destiny he called "providence".

(Colorization mine.)

[Epicurus] regarded the unacknowledged fear of death and punishment as the primary cause of anxiety among human beings, and anxiety in turn as the source of extreme and irrational desires.

(Colorization mine.)

[crypto jerk]

snip...
My point is also a good one, unlike yours. Mike is a friend of the state-paradigm. He will happily cooperate with anything any state asks him to, he has said as much in the past. Have fun using his coin.