How about community takeover?

[not altcoin hitler]

Fuck Mike and Gavin and fuck the core-team too.
We need a third and fourth devteam to push different forks on us. Not enough dev competition.

Community should start pushing their own softwares and not use any of that crap these puppets try to push on us.

None of these assholes has any say if nobody listens.

[knight22]

Very true. Now where's your code so we can see if it is better than Core and XT?

[Soros Shorts]

There is very little incentive for developers with the right skill set to jump into this role. Besides, what guarantees are there that this new group would better align with your particular needs?

[not altcoin hitler]

There is very little incentive for developers with the right skill set to jump into this role. Besides, what guarantees are there that this new group would better align with your particular needs?

Of course a large btc bagholder would need to hire the devs.
More choice is always better and increaes the chances of something worthwhile produced. With all these dev basically being muddled into one pile attacking and backpadding each other, there isn't enough competition for them.
Gavin and Mike even getting any attention shows there is a real lack of good developers otherwise people wouldn't pay so much attention to these washouts.

[kelsey]

There is very little incentive for developers with the right skill set to jump into this role.

well the ones that need incentives arent the ones you want for this kinda project 

[ABitNut]

Talk is cheap. Stop saying x is not good and telling others to make it better. What's stopping you?

[irfan01]

perhaps they were still busy with their own affairs
stay patient, and do not say rude

[gogxmagog]

Actually this would be horrible for price. If it ain't broke don't fix it, every time someone tries to change protocol price goes down. Bitcoin needs to be stable to grow.

It is kinda broke, look at all those dust attacks, the tx spam... Plus tx fees are going to get too big if the block size doesn't increase
I wish people would stop crying foul about this
Just get btc-XT when it's released and run it
After we hit 75% using it, a week later no one will care

[tadakaluri]

IF more developers come and release their own forks, Bitcoin becomes an Altcoin.

[ummina]

if they have otoryti in the community, may be there are can to takeover community moreover...
so, just the society should to have desire to wont it or not, if not if for they its will make harmfull,
they can to dont want it, and thingking the way to out from this situations.

[Kakmakr]

How dedicated are these developers, if Gavin did not work on Bitcoin for nearly 2 years, and Mike worked on "The Lightning Project" to win a $40 000 bounty from Oliver and also developed a competing fork for Bitcoin?

We should have a dedicated team of people, who work on Bitcoin 100% of their time. Not as a little side project.
Wladimir seems to carry on at his own pace, and is willing to kick the can down the road, as he put it.

Nobody is really 100% committed to making Bitcoin work. In my opinion these guys are being paid to sabotage and slow down Bitcoin.  ^hmf^

 

[CryptoClub]

IF more developers come and release their own forks, Bitcoin becomes an Altcoin.

That looks like an Altcoin to me?

This has been a community takeover since Satoshi left anyway, but really, please don't change the logo or the branding. Leave the basics alone. Block size, whatever works, who cares? You think we won't have computers with more storage in the future? Yes we will, so it will not impact decentralization either way. If Bitcoin ever gets big, storage problems will likely be a thing of the distant past by then.

[QuestionAuthority]

Funny how things change. Four years ago if Gavin asked for a blow job 90% of the members of this forum would pucker up. Now, half the threads on the first page are "fuck Gavin" threads.

[alani123]

The strength of bitcoin is its size built on its strong and unbreakable codebase that has been tested numerous times. If you think that attempting to fork bitcoin's blockchain not one but several times, then I think you've misunderstood a lot of the fundamentals.

[meono]

How dedicated are these developers, if Gavin did not work on Bitcoin for nearly 2 years, and Mike worked on "The Lightning Project" to win a $40 000 bounty from Oliver and also developed a competing fork for Bitcoin?

We should have a dedicated team of people, who work on Bitcoin 100% of their time. Not as a little side project.
Wladimir seems to carry on at his own pace, and is willing to kick the can down the road, as he put it.

Nobody is really 100% committed to making Bitcoin work. In my opinion these guys are being paid to sabotage and slow down Bitcoin.  ^hmf^

  

Like these guys:  https://blockstream.com/team/ ?

Let have a broader look at all the bitcoin "expert" to see where the problem lies , ok? :

Developer	Employer	In favor of
Gavin Andresen	MIT	8mb+
Mike Hearn	Google, now Vinumeris	8mb+
Meni Rosenfeld	Israeli Bitcoin Association, Bitcoil	tentative 8mb+
Jeff Garzik	Bitpay, now Dunvegan Space Systems, Inc.	2mb+
Peter Todd	Viacoin et al.	1mb
Luke-JR	Subcontracted by Blockstream	1mb
Adam Back	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Matt Corallo	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Gmaxwell	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Peter Wuille	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Mark Friedenbach(Maaku7)	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
laanwj	MIT	1mb

See any pattern? Remember Blockstream got tens of millions from investors. VCs dont just invest to have a fair game with competitors, they invest because they want to jump ahead of the game.

[btccashacc]

Fuck Mike and Gavin and fuck the core-team too.
We need a third and fourth devteam to push different forks on us. Not enough dev competition.

Community should start pushing their own softwares and not use any of that crap these puppets try to push on us.

None of these assholes has any say if nobody listens.

how about google Group comunity ?

[coinpr0n]

How dedicated are these developers, if Gavin did not work on Bitcoin for nearly 2 years, and Mike worked on "The Lightning Project" to win a $40 000 bounty from Oliver and also developed a competing fork for Bitcoin?

We should have a dedicated team of people, who work on Bitcoin 100% of their time. Not as a little side project.
Wladimir seems to carry on at his own pace, and is willing to kick the can down the road, as he put it.

Nobody is really 100% committed to making Bitcoin work. In my opinion these guys are being paid to sabotage and slow down Bitcoin.  ^hmf^

  

Like these guys:  https://blockstream.com/team/ ?

Let have a broader look at all the bitcoin "expert" to see where the problem lies , ok? :

Developer	Employer	In favor of
Gavin Andresen	MIT	8mb+
Mike Hearn	Google, now Vinumeris	8mb+
Meni Rosenfeld	Israeli Bitcoin Association, Bitcoil	tentative 8mb+
Jeff Garzik	Bitpay, now Dunvegan Space Systems, Inc.	2mb+
Peter Todd	Viacoin et al.	1mb
Luke-JR	Subcontracted by Blockstream	1mb
Adam Back	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Matt Corallo	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Gmaxwell	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Peter Wuille	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Mark Friedenbach(Maaku7)	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
laanwj	MIT	1mb

See any pattern? Remember Blockstream got tens of millions from investors. VCs dont just invest to have a fair game with competitors, they invest because they want to jump ahead of the game.

Take away the Blockstream crew and you still have an undecided split. Plus, some questionable experts on that list and others not even listed.

[Amph]

what about proposing something better if you really want to say fuck that fuck this?, the point is that there isn't something better there is no good alternative to increase the block size, and blockstream isn't one of these for sure

[meono]

How dedicated are these developers, if Gavin did not work on Bitcoin for nearly 2 years, and Mike worked on "The Lightning Project" to win a $40 000 bounty from Oliver and also developed a competing fork for Bitcoin?

We should have a dedicated team of people, who work on Bitcoin 100% of their time. Not as a little side project.
Wladimir seems to carry on at his own pace, and is willing to kick the can down the road, as he put it.

Nobody is really 100% committed to making Bitcoin work. In my opinion these guys are being paid to sabotage and slow down Bitcoin.  ^hmf^

  

Like these guys:  https://blockstream.com/team/ ?

Let have a broader look at all the bitcoin "expert" to see where the problem lies , ok? :

Developer	Employer	In favor of
Gavin Andresen	MIT	8mb+
Mike Hearn	Google, now Vinumeris	8mb+
Meni Rosenfeld	Israeli Bitcoin Association, Bitcoil	tentative 8mb+
Jeff Garzik	Bitpay, now Dunvegan Space Systems, Inc.	2mb+
Peter Todd	Viacoin et al.	1mb
Luke-JR	Subcontracted by Blockstream	1mb
Adam Back	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Matt Corallo	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Gmaxwell	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Peter Wuille	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
Mark Friedenbach(Maaku7)	Blockstream Co-Founder	1mb
laanwj	MIT	1mb

See any pattern? Remember Blockstream got tens of millions from investors. VCs dont just invest to have a fair game with competitors, they invest because they want to jump ahead of the game.

Take away the Blockstream crew and you still have an undecided split. Plus, some questionable experts on that list and others not even listed.

I'm not gonna argue about that but this list include all the people that this forum consider "consensus network" (5 person from the list)

That in itself is a centralized issue but everyone ignore it.

[Soros Shorts]

There is very little incentive for developers with the right skill set to jump into this role.

well the ones that need incentives arent the ones you want for this kinda project 

Yes, inheriting a second hand open source project and cleaning up the mess in a contentious environment requires a special type of soft skill that many lack.