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August 20, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Last edit: August 21, 2015, 10:51:35 PM by ChetnotAtkins
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Lets compile a nice list of all the various attackers and professional FUD spreaders whose alterior motives in supporting XT shine through.


meono - account was created just for the blocksize debate; spends a lot of energy perpetuating lies and deflecting from facts
sAt0sHiFanClub - shorts Bitcoin; profits from Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt
LiteCoinGuy - is invested in Litecoin; profits from FUD and Bitcoin's schism
JorgeStolfi - Buttcoin veteran; multi-year FUD expert; measures his profit in comedy gold derived from misery in the Bitcoin sphere
Coinwallet.eu - 'stress test' Bitcoin through dust spam to create an artifical urgency for increased blocksize; have been quoted supporting XT
Cryddit - altcoin developer; profits from alienating Bitcoin's userbase towards alternative cryptocurrencies



My personal stance: To clarify, I am definitely against XT in any shape or form. It would hand over the control of the code base to two people who have shown that they are willing to seriously damage Bitcoin to gain the control they desire. To influence as large a part of the community as possible, they employ manipulative rhetorics and tactics, implying urgency that is simply not present, relying on the casual belief that larger blocks would mean a greater userbase (=moon) all with blatant disregard of the severe damage their planned schism is causing. What has ever caused more Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the Bitcoin sphere than XT? Why choose 75% as the necessary consensus? Well, because they know they would never reach full consensus. They are willing to simply drop 25% just to enforce their own agenda. That is nonsensical, dangerous and astonishingly stupid.
I am certainly critical of Blockstream, my personal choice would be a dynamic blocksize increase, implemented in BitcoinCore when it is really needed to not alienate a large part of this unique community.
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August 20, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
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It is not the answer to launch an attack on everyone that has something against original version of bitcoin, since you can't keep it the way it is forever, even satoshi said so.
I'm not saying that XT is the best answer, or the best choice for that matter, but don't want for bitcoin to become outdated also.
btw. it was obvious that price will retrace, many people profited on this fact.

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August 20, 2015, 09:51:35 PM
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So, now you made a whole thread about personal attacking people.

That makes me mad, since I am not on that list. I really put a lot of effort here in the last few days. Just look at my posting history. I think, I deserve to be on that list.

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August 20, 2015, 09:53:03 PM
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please add me to your list.
i am curious to see what you think my motives are

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August 20, 2015, 09:57:46 PM
Last edit: August 20, 2015, 10:08:06 PM by sAt0sHiFanClub
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How come meono gets ahead of me???   Cry

Is it because he called you a hypocritical asshole, while I only called you a duplicitous fraud?

Is this the new fork?  The new race to consensus?

Since you seem to be as shoddy at your research as you are at taking a position on bitcoin, allow me to give you a little deeper insight....


Please keep pointing out flaws, but if you want to be taken seriously I would recommend that you build your own argument rather than keep defending our resident tl,dr-troll.

I don't 'defend' him, just his right to his opinion. I agree with a lot of what he says, but wouldn't share the same level of skepticism he has. But in the end of the day it is just a personal view, and any intelligent person knows they must make their own minds up about it while making sure they have all the relevant facts.

Anyway, I'm not always negative. I think bitcoin makes plenty of nice, quiet advances everyday.  In my own business, we have taken almost 200BTC in revenues, and paid out over 80BTC to freelancers since January.  Bullish! Indeed....  But I cant get others to get involved because every time they look into it they find crackpots and scammers.  Shocked


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August 20, 2015, 10:04:56 PM
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Most of the scum gone silent... like RodeoX, Doomad, Elwar and some others.

LiteCoinGuy is still at it...
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August 20, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
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I am for the original vision by Satoshi of a scaling bitcoin which BIP101 is all about. No matter if it's XT or Core that wins the final output. Right now it is only implemented in XT so that's why I'm running a node. Which camp you put me in and what are my motives?

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August 20, 2015, 11:12:31 PM
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I think that the point is modifying bitcoin core and not going in xt direction
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August 20, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
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Most of the scum gone silent... like RodeoX, Doomad, Elwar and some others.

LiteCoinGuy is still at it...

I'm flattered I appear on your radar.   Roll Eyes

My stance has been clearly outlined here.  I'd hardly call it controversial.  The remaining bulk of my other posts have only been to call out those I perceive as spreading misinformation or fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of open source decentralisation.  

Now let's clarify a few points:

  • A fork proposal is neither an attack or an altcoin and you can get a clue in your empty head if you think different.
  • A central group of developers agreeing is not what consensus means unless you're talking about a closed source coin.
  • Here's the supposed "blacklist" code in the Bitcoin core github.  Here's some more.  It isn't unique to XT.  If you're too gormless to see that turtlehurricane's entire shitstorm of a thread is nothing but FUD then I genuinely feel sorry for you.
  • Anyone running a spoof client is fraudulently manipulating the consensus mechanism that underpins the network and you should be angry with them, not the people proposing the fork.


Call me scum if you like, but you'll find it very difficult to argue with any of those points.

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August 20, 2015, 11:28:57 PM
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So this is what the XT haters have had to resort to?
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August 21, 2015, 01:33:13 AM
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So this is what the XT haters have had to resort to?

You gotta understand their little brains ran out of tactics

Its like arguing with some 5 yrs old. They will scream at you no matter what
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August 21, 2015, 02:13:46 AM
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I have never been able to understand what is the link between the XBT and BTC??

 
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August 21, 2015, 02:28:48 AM
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I have never been able to understand what is the link between the XBT and BTC??

Yes it is quite confusing. If at all they want to improve why they didn't improve btc core itself?
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August 21, 2015, 02:39:42 AM
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So many threads its not easy sorting out whats going on. Litecoinguy has always helped and posted really informative videos, so if he is for it I will have to look into this more.
The one thing I dont like is the censorship that has shown up relating to this on reddit but I always get caught up in the small details. Smiley)
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August 21, 2015, 02:48:04 AM
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I have never been able to understand what is the link between the XBT and BTC??

Yes it is quite confusing. If at all they want to improve why they didn't improve btc core itself?
From Core to XT, it is significant upgrade, which requires to reach some extent of consensus. It includes a lot of new features and is a hot topic recently!

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August 21, 2015, 02:58:45 AM
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must read. tweeted by szabo
http://wallstreettechnologist.com/2015/08/19/bitcoin-xt-vs-core-blocksize-limit-the-schism-that-divides-us-all/

Looking Back with Adam, Wei Dai couldn't fathom

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August 21, 2015, 03:09:40 AM
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Great find! I am reading it now. Thanks.

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August 21, 2015, 03:41:42 AM
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That article helped me a lot. Will read what the other side has to say before making up my mind but I like not being controlled by the banking system and will support core for that reason alone.
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August 21, 2015, 04:40:23 AM
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Here's my contribution culled from the epic (and now defunct) 1500 page 'gold collapsing, bitcoin up' thread:

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The nice thing about allowing attackers to use a forum is that it becomes possible to pin people who have put in a lot of effort.  Looking through the now-locked thread, I identify some of the primary petites taches de merde as so:

 - cypherdoc
 - justusranvier
 - peter r
 - solex
 - erdogan
 - zarathustra
 - smooth/rocks
 - majamalu
 - stolfi (honorable mention - still as active as ever elsewhere.)

Some of them have really put in some effort over the years.  Others not mentioned are more likely to simply have been duped.  Interestingly, when I was doing a quick skim to make this list I noticed that most of these folks went dark within a stretch of hours of when cypherdoc did.


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August 21, 2015, 05:10:14 AM
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Is this the list of heretics of the XT? Please, add me ASAP.

I am a miner that have never run a full node. But now I have acquired a Raspberry Pi only for running 24/7 a XT node and I have pointed my miners to the XT port of Slush pool.

That indicates I have oblivious intentions as supporting a democratic control of the Bitcoin and makes me certainly a danger for the Bitcoin community, the establishment and the humanity. I deserve to be in that list, clearly.

PS: I like the idea of all this history to be considered as "the XT heresy" 😊
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