Minimum wage.

[Riniojet]

Never mind...continued reading posts..you said something about being an anarchist or somesuch...No point discussing with you.

Well there's always a point discussing and exchanging views - but yes, eventually you're going to reach a disagreement in ends rather than means.

That's true with all political/ethical views though. Contrary to conventional wisdom there is no "right" position which can be reached through argument. If we let that prevent argument we'd never get anywhere. It's helpful to understand the positions of others, even if they're irreparably alien to you.

[fitimi]

Why do most studies on the topic disagree with you? Does that ever raise any red flags in your mind? It should.

many of those ''studies'' have pre-determined 'results'


now compare that to the links previously provided which show higher minimum wages stimulated the economy where they occurred

[Sumerian]

Minimum wage should always be there. But I do think many companies should reward for the job/ actions that have been made. Many ppl get paid too little for their responsibilities

[peterson33]

That's my objection to min wage laws too. Pay x dollars or we will initiate force against you. Complete violation of the non-aggression principle.

So I take it you object to laws regulating pollution, minimal safety standards, overtime laws, child labor, beating your workers, and slave labor as well? All of which involve requirements which can involve the initiation of force.

[rajaaziz]

So I take it you object to laws regulating pollution, minimal safety standards, overtime laws, child labor, beating your workers, and slave labor as well? All of which involve requirements which can involve the initiation of force.

Nice straw man you've got there.

[SubversiveTech]

If the U.S. doesn't up the minimum wage soon then the wage earners will be really, super-duper pissed off.

Astonishingly enough there are millions of U.S. Citizens that prefer abject poverty to 'demeaning' employment.

Good news is they have the right to bear arms over there so they'll have plenty of opportunity to vent their frustrations.

And legal access to guns is nothing, there are tons of old dudes with more guns than they could ever shoot dying every day! That's right, literal treasure troves of guns just sitting around one window break away from a beautiful massacre!  

[peterson33]

Nice straw man you've got there.

LOL, we can always count on you to dodge the questions that show the complete lack of logic and weakness of your position.

The reason you dodge is self evident.

[johnyj]

As long as money can be printed out of nothing, the minimum wage can be raised

I'm printing myself several trillions, at mean time I would be glad to raise the minimum wage by $10  

[zero01]

I think the minimum wage should be increased, because if scaled it will make workers more lazy work

[Nizam ibrahim.P.N]

 The minimum wage is treatening of employed people. The oppertunity to attain job will be left by these minimum wages..

[goosoodude]

Minimum wage question is a double edge sword, because at one point it does protect workers from even lower wages, but also threatens workers with higher wages
from being replaced by a worker that would accept lower wage. In the end it's all about balancing the work market, and lately there's unemployment where ever you turn.

In a time where many of the jobs are replaced with machines, and not enough new types of job to take in extra workers, it seams like the best solution to point
young people to jobs that are requested by the market, and a bit less of letting them choose jobs that already have thousand's of people waiting in line.

[SubversiveTech]

Part of the problem is there are no new businesses. Used to be if you didn't have brick and mortar handing out hotcakes or whatever the fuck you couldn't make a sale.

Now Amazon will place it at your doorstep in 24 hours. Companies don't take a ton of low yield/high risk wagers by putting locations in the middle of nowhere usa.

[Mirdude]

In 3rd world countries obviously it can't really be helped because of the power and control of the Government.

[botany]

If the U.S. doesn't up the minimum wage soon then the wage earners will be really, super-duper pissed off.

Astonishingly enough there are millions of U.S. Citizens that prefer abject poverty to 'demeaning' employment.

That sounds like the spiel put out by politicians.
If higher minimum wages result in higher unemployment, it might not be the best strategy.

[SubversiveTech]

If the U.S. doesn't up the minimum wage soon then the wage earners will be really, super-duper pissed off.

Astonishingly enough there are millions of U.S. Citizens that prefer abject poverty to 'demeaning' employment.

That sounds like the spiel put out by politicians.
If higher minimum wages result in higher unemployment, it might not be the best strategy.

That sounds like the spiel put out by people who have wages exceeding minimum wage.

If you ask me, arguments over minimum wage nearly miss the point entirely. The problem is deep in the core of every system, it's social, psychological, generational, cumulative, global.

There's no easy answer to our problems. Mostly once someone secures a position of 'adequate luxury' these problems tend to fall by the wayside or shift towards conservatism. It's human nature. If your position is secure any change which is perceived to have even a remote chance of destabilizing it is dubious.

Me myself, I'm an idealist. I prefer to think about radical shifts, setting things up which will be better for those alive long after I'm gone. Even if these ideas are difficult to implement, never see the light of day, are ultimately futile. We have the technology to overhaul everything for the better but it remains to be seen if we have the capacity as humans to transcend ourselves.

[mamafii]

hmmmp.. i have many respect from this. why?
cause i feel and have experience about that, i can say like this when i do work very hurd,
but i just have minimum wage or pay. i just accept it with Big heart and be patient.
the wage is not balance with the work, actually the Boss must be respect with the worker.
cause how the worker can be good when they work, if the wage is not balance with their work?

[ummina]

if the company not pay the worker smae with the job.
it will be make the worker not seriosly work! and make the worker want out,
 and take a new job with the worthy wage.

[wxa7115]

What are your thoughts about the minimum wage? Is it a job killer or a way of ensuring companies pay their workers fair wages and what do you think about its effects on employment?

Minimum wage must not exist. Is a way of price controls and price controls never work.

[Barnabe]

What are your thoughts about the minimum wage? Is it a job killer or a way of ensuring companies pay their workers fair wages and what do you think about its effects on employment?

Minimum wage must not exist. Is a way of price controls and price controls never work.

There might be a problem if minimum wage is under the minimum needed to survive and the state has to pay to keep the workers well.
If we follow the economical logic here, if there is very high unemployement, some people will agree to work in very bad conditions and for a wage not even allowing them to pay a rent. Should all people compete at this level ? A minimum wage should be at least capable to allow everybody a decent living.

[HarHarHar9965]

What are your thoughts about the minimum wage? Is it a job killer or a way of ensuring companies pay their workers fair wages and what do you think about its effects on employment?

Minimum wage must not exist. Is a way of price controls and price controls never work.

yeah it divides people to fight with each other about how much one deserves, while the company owners like a CEO makes a million dollars in an hour sometimes, but giving fixed salary to its employees at 15$ an hour, so there is no potential in job salary increase, and everybody is on fixed salary judging each other on how much money one of them makes.