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August 23, 2015, 06:31:09 PM |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies#Criteria_for_inclusionAll, I added Bitcoin to Wikipedia's list of circulating currencies, citing blockchain.info and proof of widespread circulation and growing volume. The entry is listed under "Earth" as the table is sorted by territory. I'm not a coder, it would be cool if someone could help me add the BTC logo before "Earth" and add a hyperlink to "Bitcoin" to take readers to the Bitcoin wikipedia page. Cheers!
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August 23, 2015, 06:43:49 PM |
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Someone proposed a flag for Earth, you could use that one. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Anyway, I don't think bitcoin passes the criteria for this particular list: For the purposes of this list, only currencies that are legal tender, including those used in actual commerce or issued for commemorative purposes, are considered "circulating currencies". Currencies used by non-state entities, like the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, scrips used by private entities, and other private and alternative currencies are not under the purview of this list.
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Possum577 (OP)
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August 23, 2015, 06:50:54 PM |
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Someone proposed a flag for Earth, you could use that one. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Anyway, I don't think bitcoin passes the criteria for this particular list: For the purposes of this list, only currencies that are legal tender, including those used in actual commerce or issued for commemorative purposes, are considered "circulating currencies". Currencies used by non-state entities, like the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, scrips used by private entities, and other private and alternative currencies are not under the purview of this list. Thanks, do you know how to reference that flag within Wikipedia? As for the criteria, as you and I will both agree Bitcoin most certainly is legal tender and used in actual commerce. As for their determination of whether it should be considered without a "state entity" to back it, all I have to say is that just because it's "not allowed" now, doesn't mean it shouldn't be and the best way to start that discussion is by adding it to the list. In fact, if they take it down we should lobby them to have it added. E.g., It was once illegal for women or non-whites to own land or vote...and obviously the world thinking has evolved beyond those limitations and for the better. Wikipedia can evolve too...
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August 23, 2015, 07:09:11 PM |
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E.g., It was once illegal for women or non-whites to own land or vote...and obviously the world thinking has evolved beyond those limitations and for the better. Wikipedia can evolve too...
It's not Wikipedia that needs to evolve. Wikipedia already recognizes cryptocurrencies and has a page on Bitcoin. What needs to evolve is that page. Propose making the change of the scope of the page on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_circulating_currencies, and after discourse, add it if there is consensus for it.
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August 23, 2015, 07:24:14 PM |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies#Criteria_for_inclusionAll, I added Bitcoin to Wikipedia's list of circulating currencies, citing blockchain.info and proof of widespread circulation and growing volume. The entry is listed under "Earth" as the table is sorted by territory. I'm not a coder, it would be cool if someone could help me add the BTC logo before "Earth" and add a hyperlink to "Bitcoin" to take readers to the Bitcoin wikipedia page. Cheers! Good job! I hope it won't be deleted
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August 23, 2015, 07:30:31 PM |
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Someone proposed a flag for Earth, you could use that one. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Anyway, I don't think bitcoin passes the criteria for this particular list: For the purposes of this list, only currencies that are legal tender, including those used in actual commerce or issued for commemorative purposes, are considered "circulating currencies". Currencies used by non-state entities, like the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, scrips used by private entities, and other private and alternative currencies are not under the purview of this list. Because it's money, and it needs a flag to qualify of course, shouldn't it have Satoshi's portrait painted on the units, and a central bank? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I think it would have been interesting, in a different way, if bitcoin was notable for it's absence in Wikipedia's list of "official" concepts. Is it really so that a subject or concept that isn't featured in Wikipedia is not valid, until it is added? Should we not challenge such notions?
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August 23, 2015, 07:46:47 PM |
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Someone proposed a flag for Earth, you could use that one. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Anyway, I don't think bitcoin passes the criteria for this particular list: For the purposes of this list, only currencies that are legal tender, including those used in actual commerce or issued for commemorative purposes, are considered "circulating currencies". Currencies used by non-state entities, like the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, scrips used by private entities, and other private and alternative currencies are not under the purview of this list. Thanks, do you know how to reference that flag within Wikipedia? As for the criteria, as you and I will both agree Bitcoin most certainly is legal tender and used in actual commerce. As for their determination of whether it should be considered without a "state entity" to back it, all I have to say is that just because it's "not allowed" now, doesn't mean it shouldn't be and the best way to start that discussion is by adding it to the list. In fact, if they take it down we should lobby them to have it added. E.g., It was once illegal for women or non-whites to own land or vote...and obviously the world thinking has evolved beyond those limitations and for the better. Wikipedia can evolve too... Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_EarthI was referring to the last one, the International Flag of the Planet Earth. http://www.flagofplanetearth.com/
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August 23, 2015, 08:01:31 PM |
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I think it's a good idea. But the more relevant it will be when mankind to meet with an extraterrestrial civilization. When the time comes to present the earth as a whole state ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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August 23, 2015, 09:43:17 PM |
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Well, that was short lived. It's already been removed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies#Criteria_for_inclusionIf I continue to add it they'll just block my account, but that doesn't stop someone new from adding it! Here's how you can do it: 1) Go to the link above 2) Create a Wikipedia account to edit pages (it takes seconds; username, password, email, captcha...that's it) 3) Click "edit" next to the "List of circulating currencies by state or territory[edit]" section, which is at the top of the table of currencies 4) Scroll down the code to find the space just before East Timor 5) Enter the following code: |- | {{f|Earth | {{Sort|Bitcoin}} | ฿ | BTC | [[satoshi]] | 100 |- 6) Delete any duplications of "|-" before or after this entry, those serve as breaks in the table and if there are two the formatting might get weird 7) Save changes! I've updated the list one more time, i'm sure they'll delete it again and I doubt I'll get a third opportunity to do this...so, now it's up to the rest of you to keep correcting the list! Cheers.
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August 23, 2015, 10:14:16 PM |
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Well, that was short lived. It's already been removed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies#Criteria_for_inclusionIf I continue to add it they'll just block my account, but that doesn't stop someone new from adding it! Here's how you can do it: 1) Go to the link above 2) Create a Wikipedia account to edit pages (it takes seconds; username, password, email, captcha...that's it) 3) Click "edit" next to the "List of circulating currencies by state or territory[edit]" section, which is at the top of the table of currencies 4) Scroll down the code to find the space just before East Timor 5) Enter the following code: |- | {{f|Earth | {{Sort|Bitcoin}} | ฿ | BTC | [[satoshi]] | 100 |- 6) Delete any duplications of "|-" before or after this entry, those serve as breaks in the table and if there are two the formatting might get weird 7) Save changes! I've updated the list one more time, i'm sure they'll delete it again and I doubt I'll get a third opportunity to do this...so, now it's up to the rest of you to keep correcting the list! Cheers. Editing the same article again with the same edits, either as one person or as a group, is not permitted, and can be construed as an edit war. It's not going to help Bitcoin's image or awareness very much anyway, so why do it?
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August 23, 2015, 10:26:30 PM |
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We should add Wikipedia to Bitcoin instead. :p
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August 23, 2015, 10:29:15 PM |
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We should add Wikipedia to Bitcoin instead. :p
Can you elaborate on exactly what you mean, why it requires the cryptographic properties of Bitcoin, and why it would be useful?
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August 23, 2015, 10:37:56 PM |
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We should add Wikipedia to Bitcoin instead. :p
Can you elaborate on exactly what you mean, why it requires the cryptographic properties of Bitcoin, and why it would be useful? You can send satoshis to articles that you consider useful and well written, every page has a public address and the entire content could be saved on a sidechain, but using the main Bitcoin blockchain as a content quality measure.
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August 24, 2015, 12:24:06 AM |
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Well, that was short lived. It's already been removed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies#Criteria_for_inclusionIf I continue to add it they'll just block my account, but that doesn't stop someone new from adding it! Here's how you can do it: 1) Go to the link above 2) Create a Wikipedia account to edit pages (it takes seconds; username, password, email, captcha...that's it) 3) Click "edit" next to the "List of circulating currencies by state or territory[edit]" section, which is at the top of the table of currencies 4) Scroll down the code to find the space just before East Timor 5) Enter the following code: |- | {{f|Earth | {{Sort|Bitcoin}} | ฿ | BTC | [[satoshi]] | 100 |- 6) Delete any duplications of "|-" before or after this entry, those serve as breaks in the table and if there are two the formatting might get weird 7) Save changes! I've updated the list one more time, i'm sure they'll delete it again and I doubt I'll get a third opportunity to do this...so, now it's up to the rest of you to keep correcting the list! Cheers. To be accurate, shouldn't that last number be 100,000,000 instead of 100 ?
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August 24, 2015, 03:20:32 AM |
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Editing the same article again with the same edits, either as one person or as a group, is not permitted, and can be construed as an edit war. It's not going to help Bitcoin's image or awareness very much anyway, so why do it?
Great point, I'm not trying to start an edit war and I completely agree that this would be the wrong approach. We'd need to approach diplomatically, maybe present a petition to have Bitcoin added. What the hell am I saying - it's a list of currencies page on wikipedia, my visits today are probably the most they've had in single day in years. We should add Wikipedia to Bitcoin instead. :p
Yeah, this is the way to go - get Wikipedia accepting Bitcoin, that's all we care about anyway...it's all that matters.
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August 24, 2015, 03:31:23 AM |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies#Criteria_for_inclusionAll, I added Bitcoin to Wikipedia's list of circulating currencies, citing blockchain.info and proof of widespread circulation and growing volume. The entry is listed under "Earth" as the table is sorted by territory. I'm not a coder, it would be cool if someone could help me add the BTC logo before "Earth" and add a hyperlink to "Bitcoin" to take readers to the Bitcoin wikipedia page. Cheers! It's very informative.
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August 24, 2015, 03:36:47 AM |
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They took it down...and gave me a warning, here's what they said: Bitcoin again[edit] @Possum577: When you added Bitcoin into the table, you commented Added Bitcoin as a circulating currency. Citing the www.blockchain.info as proof of widespread circulation around the globe (and growing volume.) It'd be great to have the formal BItcoin logo and "B" currency symbol added to this content. Thanks This may seem like a good reason, and I assume you acted in good faith, but it does not meet the criteria that are plainly stated in the lead paragraph of the section (boldface added): For the purposes of this list, only currencies that are legal tender, including those used in actual commerce or issued for commemorative purposes, are considered "circulating currencies". Currencies used by non-state entities, like the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, scrips used by private entities, and other private and alternative currencies are not under the purview of this list. When an anonymous user removed it and explained why in the edit summary— "Remove Bitcoin, as it does not meet the page criteria" — you put it back, still ignoring the criteria and the user's comment. This time it's hard to suppose that you still weren't aware of the criteria. This exact question has been discussed before. Please do not put Bitcoin back into the list. You are already on the edge of edit warring; don't step over the line. --Thnidu (talk) 00:38, 24 August 2015 (UTC) Here's my response: @Thnidu: When my first edit (adding Bitcoin) was removed, I was never notified why it was removed. As such, I added it back in. Thanks for providing the explanation. What criteria is not met? Obviously Bitcoin is legal tender (the US Internal Revenue Service has guidance on how to pay taxes on its use), it's used in actual commerce (many companies use it for payment for goods or services), it isn't "used by non-state entities" only, and it isn't used only "by private entities". It's supported by many Governments, as evidenced by their allowing it to exist and be used for payments. I won't cross the line and add the edit back but if an opportunity exists to evaluate Bitcoin's inclusion in the list I formally ask that the discussion be held. Additionally (and more importantly) I ask that Wikipedia consider accepting Bitcoin for donations! I'll donate to Wikipedia (and try to get others to) if you decide to accept Bitcoin. Thanks and an enjoy your week! --Possum577 03:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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August 24, 2015, 03:59:03 AM |
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it seems had gone. I cant find "bitcoin" on that page.
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August 24, 2015, 05:48:52 AM |
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it seems had gone. I cant find "bitcoin" on that page.
You should read the last post from the OP...it says "they took it down", I think the OP means exactly what you discovered.
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October 04, 2015, 02:32:19 PM |
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Thanks for sharing the link, it is very informative.
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