If you know for sure that NSA/CIA... are watching bitcointalk.org will U use it!

[Carlton Banks]

Just keep it legal and they should not need to track you individually. You still have the right to protect your money matters from thiefs... and that is where I draw the line, with whoever is watching.

Would you include the people that extorted Burt in that category?

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[BurtW]

Thanks Burt for warning us to the dangers.  Did they seize bank accounts too?

In my case no.

During their investigation they had asked for and received the last four years of statements from every bank account they could tie to me, my wife and my businesses.  All of this generated hundreds of pages in their evidence file against me.  They went through every transaction in all accounts and pulled out a few transactions they thought interesting as "evidence".

However I am not rich and that shows in my bank account balances they had right there in evidence so they did not think it worth seizing.  What they did assume from my low bank account balances was that "he must have a very large stash of cash and Bitcoins somewhere", hence the tracker on my car (to help them locate my secret stash) and the huge raid on my home and corporate offices to find and seize the assumed millions in Bitcoins and cash.

My daughter laughs about it some saying "they came looking for lots of money and lots of drugs but all they found was lots of my toys"

[MF Doom]

Is it on the Internet? Then the NSA is watching it.

Or you can just go to meetups and talk in person. Though if there is one guy there that has a really short haircut and is pretty physically fit for a computer geek and seems very interested in getting peoples' personal information...then they're watching that meeting too.

That about sums up the point snowden was trying to get across, they want to at the very least collect EVERYTHING, and store it in one of the new "data centers" being built.  That way anything you have ever said/done can be accessed by the nsa...

And thanks for the tip about how to keep an eye out for shills in person...

[Kprawn]

BurtW ....What happened to you and your family is a injustice and should not have happened. It's becoming more clear that you were targeted to make a statement.

Someone with less resources, would have had to plead guilty... because they would not have been in a position to pay for expensive respresentation. I am just saying, not all members are from the USA and

are from other countries, without these US laws. These people should not be targetted by these agencies. It's going to happen and we should not sit back and accept it... if you a law abiding citizen in your

country, they should leave you alone. We live in different coutries with different laws and the USA does not need to regulate the whole world. I feel sorry for the people who has to suffer this kind of injustice, but in

many countries it is even worst.      

[Herbert2020]

i wonder if u got proofs that NSA/CIA/FBI/Cartoon-networks/... are watching bitcointalk's members will U still use it!

Thank u.

i don't see why not!!
since i am not doing any criminal activity and not planning on doing any criminal activity, so i don't care. let them watch me

[MF Doom]

i wonder if u got proofs that NSA/CIA/FBI/Cartoon-networks/... are watching bitcointalk's members will U still use it!

Thank u.

i don't see why not!!
since i am not doing any criminal activity and not planning on doing any criminal activity, so i don't care. let them watch me

thats the mindset of most people I've talked to about the nsa, "if i'm not doing anything wrong then they can spy on me all they want"

Well, 2 things to consider:  Do you value privacy?  If not, then would you hand over your emails & passwords to complete strangers?  I doubt it.

Secondly, do you value how your tax dollars are spent?  Do you really like the idea of busting you butt, only to have billions of tax dollars spent to monitor your every waking moment and piece of communication?  I doubt it!

[BurtW]

Someone with less resources, would have had to plead guilty... because they would not have been in a position to pay for expensive respresentation.  

I was arrested in a big inter-agency (HSI, DEA, US Marshals, USPS, BATF, etc.) task force operation called "Operation Avalanche".  Several others were arrested that same weekend.  I believe that all the others arrested either had public defenders or possibly less qualified attorneys.  It is not an "apples to apples comparison because other cases involved drugs - mine did not and other cases involved money laundering - mine did not.  I don't know the current up to date disposition of their cases but here is the status of their cases as of July 15:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934268.msg11890239#msg11890239

Don't even get me started on the whole public defender thing.  Here is a taste:

Follow the money, who pays them?  
So, who do they actually work for?  
Who are they beholden to?  
Who can or can't they afford to offend?
What is their actual job?  
Hint:  actually defending the accused against the accusation is not it.

[BurtW]

i wonder if u got proofs that NSA/CIA/FBI/Cartoon-networks/... are watching bitcointalk's members will U still use it!

Thank u.

i don't see why not!!
since i am not doing any criminal activity and not planning on doing any criminal activity, so i don't care. let them watch me

Did you read anything I have said in this thread?  Or did you just come in here and drop your steaming pile of opinion on us?

Try this one, just one of many I am sure:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4

I especially like the "as soon as possible" part.  What you took time to get to a safe location first?  GUILTY.

PAY UP or it will be three years for you buddy.

[Herbert2020]

i wonder if u got proofs that NSA/CIA/FBI/Cartoon-networks/... are watching bitcointalk's members will U still use it!

Thank u.

i don't see why not!!
since i am not doing any criminal activity and not planning on doing any criminal activity, so i don't care. let them watch me

thats the mindset of most people I've talked to about the nsa, "if i'm not doing anything wrong then they can spy on me all they want"

Well, 2 things to consider:  Do you value privacy?  If not, then would you hand over your emails & passwords to complete strangers?  I doubt it.

AFAIK unless Theymos(?) is an agent of nsa or whatever place they don't have access to my email and / or password. besides i will never use my main email in any forum because of the possibility of spam.

Secondly, do you value how your tax dollars are spent?  Do you really like the idea of busting you butt, only to have billions of tax dollars spent to monitor your every waking moment and piece of communication?  I doubt it!

if they are spying on bitcointalk users then it would be US citizens tax dollars not mine

[BurtW]

AFAIK unless Theymos(?) is an agent of nsa or whatever place they don't have access to my email and / or password. besides i will never use my main email in any forum because of the possibility of spam.

You need to do a little research on this topic:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-forum-bitcointalk-org-receives-answers-first-subpoena-doj/

I'm writing just to let you know that I was forced to release your deleted post(s) due to a subpoena by the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York

http://bitcoinist.net/bitcointalk-court-ordered-release-butterfly-labs-messages/

This week, Bitcointalk administrator Theymos, contacted every participant in several discussions over the Butterfly Labs case. The reason for this contact was a court decision in which the Bitcointalk admin was forced to reveal information regarding the case.

[Timzim103]

i wonder if u got proofs that NSA/CIA/FBI/Cartoon-network/... are watching bitcointalk's members will U use it!

Thank u.

I have always assumed that NSA, CIA, FBI, are watching bitcointalk members.

I still use it, and I'm happy to announce to any of them exactly who I am and where to find me.

Same here buddy I'm not doing anything wrong either same as most on here. I'll make them a nice cup of tea if they knock on my door.

What if bitcoin is wrong and you are supporting it!

Well, your original question was about bitcointalk members being watched by agents of a rather eclectic list of agents, not that Bitcoin was "wrong". Either way, my take is that Bitcoin is an interesting, innovative technology, so it goes without say that it and its community would draw interest. As for your second point, I think most people don't want to be on the wrong side of the law, myself included. I'm not religious or philosophical about cryptos. I would no more risk prison for that than I would for a gizmo such as my cell phone if it were made illegal.

[Kazimir]

i wonder if u got proofs that NSA/CIA/FBI/Cartoon-networks/... are watching bitcointalk's members will U still use it!

Thank u.

Yes, of course. Everybody can watch any Bitcoin or bitcointalk activity. So that includes the NSA / FBI / Cartoon network. That's fine, Bitcoin is supposed to be transparent. Let them see how great Bitcoin works!

[Bagatell]

In other news, my dear old friend cypherdoc seems to have gone dark, at least here on trolltalk.  Do you suppose he retained the same attorney who provided you with what sounds it was probably sage advice about keeping one's mouth shut?  That's got to be a tough row to hoe for a guy like Dr. Lowelife.

Anyone with an active case will go dark.  I worry about DeathAndTaxes, he has been dark for a long time.

Goats awol too.

[MF Doom]

AFAIK unless Theymos(?) is an agent of nsa or whatever place they don't have access to my email and / or password. besides i will never use my main email in any forum because of the possibility of spam.

You need to do a little research on this topic:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-forum-bitcointalk-org-receives-answers-first-subpoena-doj/

I'm writing just to let you know that I was forced to release your deleted post(s) due to a subpoena by the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York

Wow, so this not only confirms the fact that this (and in all likelihood all forums) are monitored and subject to searches by the feds.  If you think otherwise then you haven't been paying attention to much in the news.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter who the admins are of this forum or others, or what email you use.  They have dragnet surveillance systems designed to capture any and all communications they possibly can.  It's even come out they have physically intercepted packages to insert tracking hardware on some machines.

And so what if theymos didn't comply?  Probably the same thing that happened to lavabit when they didn't want to comply with the feds demands:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/why-did-lavabit-shut-down-snowden-email

[BurtW]

I think most people don't want to be on the wrong side of the law, myself included. I'm not religious or philosophical about cryptos. I would no more risk prison for that than I would for a gizmo such as my cell phone if it were made illegal.

Have you, or anyone else reading this, ever read anything on here that looked like it might be shady or illegal?
Did you immediately report it to the authorities?

NO?  Then you are on the "wrong side" of this law:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4

[Pathi]

What's really scary about the BurtW situation is even after the charges were dropped they got 80k from him.

[jonald_fyookball]

What's really scary about the BurtW situation is even after the charges were dropped they got 80k from him.

My understanding is that's why the charges were dropped. 

[Carlton Banks]

i wonder if u got proofs that NSA/CIA/FBI/Cartoon-networks/... are watching bitcointalk's members will U still use it!

Thank u.

Yes, of course. Everybody can watch any Bitcoin or bitcointalk activity. So that includes the NSA / FBI / Cartoon network. That's fine, Bitcoin is supposed to be transparent. Let them see how great Bitcoin works!

It's the Information Age, baby

Life is changing

[Mickeyb]

I don't see a problem with this, my personal info isn't connected to my user name. They can collect my IP address and that's all of it. So let them watch us and let them have fun with it!

[DannyHamilton]

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Did you read anything I have said in this thread?  Or did you just come in here and drop your steaming pile of opinion on us?
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BurtW,

Don't waste your time responding to people that are participating in a sig ad campaign.  They generally don't read the content of the thread, and make a minimal effort to even guess what the thread is even about.  Then they drop in an "opinion" so that it looks like they are making an actual contribution to conversation so that they can collect their pay from the ad campaign manager.

They don't really care what the thread is about, nor do they have any interest in any facts or details.  Responding to them just gives them an opportunity to blindly respond to your response to get additional posts in and make it look like they are participating in a conversation.

You're more likely to get well thought out logical discussions from a Colorado District Attorney than you are from someone participating in a signature ad campaign.