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August 24, 2015, 11:00:19 AM |
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we don't need to discuss bitcoin XT if we don't care about bitcoin XT of course bitcoin XT will die. what we need do is dont to care to bitcoin XT. 10% is all pro to bitcoin XT and we bitcoin core still 90% so what we need to worry with bitcoin XT
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August 24, 2015, 11:34:56 AM |
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I don't really understand why did they had to design a new currency. This is causing a lot of trouble in the community.
However, only one coin will win I seriously hope is isn't XT...
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August 24, 2015, 11:37:17 AM |
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we don't need to discuss bitcoin XT if we don't care about bitcoin XT of course bitcoin XT will die. what we need do is dont to care to bitcoin XT. 10% is all pro to bitcoin XT and we bitcoin core still 90% so what we need to worry with bitcoin XT
Forget about XT. because of this, price dropped
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August 24, 2015, 11:39:53 AM |
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we don't need to discuss bitcoin XT if we don't care about bitcoin XT of course bitcoin XT will die. -snip-
Then why start another thread about it? Why start it in the wrong section? At least you could have done that right. Obviously there are a handful of individuals who believe that BIP 101 and XT are the right way forward (no; unsustainable growth). Ignoring problems doesn't usually make them go away.
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"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" 😼 Bitcoin Core ( onion)
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eyeknock
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August 24, 2015, 11:42:01 AM |
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I don't really understand why did they had to design a new currency. This is causing a lot of trouble in the community.
However, only one coin will win I seriously hope is isn't XT...
from my point of view, what scared me is that we didnt reach a concensus, so as you sayd this is not only causing a lot of trouble in the community, we are giving a bad image to all those who still do not know the world of bitcoin.
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August 24, 2015, 11:46:59 AM |
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I don't really understand why did they had to design a new currency. This is causing a lot of trouble in the community.
However, only one coin will win I seriously hope is isn't XT...
It's questionable to consider XT a new currency. It's exactly the same Bitcoin, but with another set of rules. It's just a proposal for what people think that might improve the network. It uses the same blockchain, the same algo, the same everything we all know from Bitcoin. So I don't think it fits a new currency. To consider XT a new currency, we would have to consider Bitcoin as a "new Bitcoin" each time a BIP (Bitcoin Improvement Proposal) was introduced.
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dollarneed
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August 24, 2015, 11:51:09 AM |
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i just read about bitcoin xt and bitcoin core and the difference both of them, but honestly i'm just wondering, is there any acomplishment about this problem?
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August 24, 2015, 11:54:25 AM |
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i just read about bitcoin xt and bitcoin core and the difference both of them, but honestly i'm just wondering, is there any acomplishment about this problem?
XT pretty much solved nothing. They are trying to have things their way. The proposal was rejected by Core and thus they decide to program XT into an altcoin. BIP 101 is not sustainable, unless someone thinks that bandwidth and block propagation times can handle 50% yearly increases. Even if we disregard all of that, there is still no consensus whatsoever. The discussion about various ideas has turned into a discussion about Core vs XT.
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zeroday
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August 24, 2015, 12:21:57 PM |
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Increasing block size is necessary thing, but XT schism is harmful for the whole bitcoin ecosystem. This is just attempt to coup and impose their rules for btc protocol ignoring opinions of the rest of core developers.
In case if XT takes 50% of hashing power, bitcoin will be wasted. Everybody will start dumping btc until the price reaches zero.
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August 24, 2015, 01:06:02 PM Last edit: August 24, 2015, 01:42:49 PM by knight22 |
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Increasing block size is necessary thing, but XT schism is harmful for the whole bitcoin ecosystem. This is just attempt to coup and impose their rules for btc protocol ignoring opinions of the rest of core developers.
In case if XT takes 50% of hashing power, bitcoin will be wasted. Everybody will start dumping btc until the price reaches zero.
Nonsense. If XT reaches 50% of hashing power nothing will happen because it requires at least 75% to fork. If That ever happens, expect the old chain to be abandoned quickly due to several factors. - Difficulty will stay the same but with a 75% drop in hashrate so blocks will be mined every 40 min. - The difficulty readjustment can take up to 6 weeks. - There will be huge backlog of transactions. For these reasons the 25% left won't stay on that chain and a complete consensus will occur and bitcoin will just move forward as it always did. But that is only if the hypothetical 75% hashrate on XT is achieved.
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turvarya
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August 24, 2015, 01:24:52 PM |
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Increasing block size is necessary thing, but XT schism is harmful for the whole bitcoin ecosystem. This is just attempt to coup and impose their rules for btc protocol ignoring opinions of the rest of core developers.
In case if XT takes 50% of hashing power, bitcoin will be wasted. Everybody will start dumping btc until the price reaches zero.
Nonsense. If XT reaches 50% of hashing power nothing will happen because it requires at least 75% to fork. If That ever happen, expect the old chain to be abandoned quickly due to several factors. - Difficulty will stay the same but with a 75% drop in hashrate so blocks will be mined every 40 min. - The difficulty readjustment can take up to 6 weeks. - There will be huge backlog of transactions. For these reason the 25% left won't stay on that chain and a complete consensus will occur and bitcoin will just move forward as it always did. But that is only if the hypothetical 75% hashrate on XT is achieved. I also tried to focus on the economical incentive on another thread to keep on the weaker chain. I didn't get an answer(like most of the times) It seems like a lot of people think, that a successful cryptocurrency will still be mainly influenced by ideological reasons, which is absurd.
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August 24, 2015, 01:40:59 PM |
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Increasing block size is necessary thing, but XT schism is harmful for the whole bitcoin ecosystem. This is just attempt to coup and impose their rules for btc protocol ignoring opinions of the rest of core developers.
In case if XT takes 50% of hashing power, bitcoin will be wasted. Everybody will start dumping btc until the price reaches zero.
i agree with the first part of what you said, increasing the block size is mandatory but bitcoin XT doesn't look like the solution. and the second part is not correct IMO. if bitcoin XT is going to have more percentage of the hashing power it will eventually replace core so the price is going to just take a small hit because of some dumps that already happend and might happen too but i don't see it reaching 0 because of this
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Weak hands have been complaining about missing out ever since bitcoin was $1 and never buy the dip. Whales are those who keep buying the dip.
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ashour
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August 24, 2015, 03:28:27 PM |
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Then why make threads about it ? We as a bitcoin community should do a public vote and decide if we are going to fork it or not. If we are going to use bitcoin XT or not. This debate is getting pointless and toxic for the bitcoin community.
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August 24, 2015, 03:35:00 PM |
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forget about XT - until the day we reach transaction costs of 0.40 USD...0,70USD...1 USD
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August 24, 2015, 03:58:55 PM |
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forget about XT - until the day we reach transaction costs of 0.40 USD...0,70USD...1 USD This is not going to happen. Stop spreading propaganda. Hypothetically speaking, even if it does happen, this is why there are established altcoins that you can use. Off-chain solutions will solve such problems. Besides, for sidechains and the lightning network to properly work, the block size limit has to be raised. Saying that we will be stuck at 1 MB forever is pretty much wrong.
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August 24, 2015, 04:01:22 PM |
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forget about XT - until the day we reach transaction costs of 0.40 USD...0,70USD...1 USD This is not going to happen. Stop spreading propaganda. Hypothetically speaking, even if it does happen, this is why there are established altcoins that you can use. Off-chain solutions will solve such problems. Besides, for sidechains and the lightning network to properly work, the block size limit has to be raised. Saying that we will be stuck at 1 MB forever is pretty much wrong.never said this but iam still waiting for a solution. i can only see XT at the moment.
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AtheistAKASaneBrain
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August 24, 2015, 04:09:50 PM |
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XT is already starting to die I think. They took the graphs off from xtnodes.com to not show the downtrend im sure it's not a coincidence that the graphs disappeared when it started to fall.
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turvarya
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August 24, 2015, 04:26:06 PM |
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XT is already starting to die I think. They took the graphs off from xtnodes.com to not show the downtrend im sure it's not a coincidence that the graphs disappeared when it started to fall.
xtnodes.com just gets attacked a lot recently. Seeing that as an indicator, that it already started to fail is absurd. You still can look at the node-count here: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/
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August 24, 2015, 06:53:57 PM Last edit: August 24, 2015, 07:04:18 PM by ArticMine |
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forget about XT - until the day we reach transaction costs of 0.40 USD...0,70USD...1 USD This is not going to happen. Stop spreading propaganda. Hypothetically speaking, even if it does happen, this is why there are established altcoins that you can use.Off-chain solutions will solve such problems. Besides, for sidechains and the lightning network to properly work, the block size limit has to be raised. Saying that we will be stuck at 1 MB forever is pretty much wrong. Yes there are alt-coins one can use instead. There are even alt-coins with adaptive blocksize limits such as Monero that avoid what got Bitcoin into this mess in the first place. The point of XT and the bigger blocksize limits is to preserve what is left of the value in the Bitcoin ledger. You are correct that the Lightning Network will need much larger blocksize limits in the neighbourhood of 133 MB according to their paper https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf; however in order to ensure the investors get their profits the fees on the Bitcoin blockchain have to rise significantly and that can only be accomplished by keeping the blocksize artificially low. Edit: Bitcoin XT also has a serious flaw namely the 8 GB limit. Gavin is in effect saying that "8GB blocks ought to be enough for anybody". This reminds me of the famous "640K ought to be enough for anybody" quote attributed to Bill Gates and the IBM XT computer with 640K of RAM.
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kekek
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August 24, 2015, 07:15:07 PM |
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Increasing block size is necessary thing, but XT schism is harmful for the whole bitcoin ecosystem. This is just attempt to coup and impose their rules for btc protocol ignoring opinions of the rest of core developers.
In case if XT takes 50% of hashing power, bitcoin will be wasted. Everybody will start dumping btc until the price reaches zero.
Well for one the fork actually needs 75% of the last 1000 blocks. Secondly I wouldn't call it a coup or an attempt to impose their rules. If you consider this potential fork as being a coup or a takeover then I suppose you think voting in new representatives is too. The opinions of the core developers don't matter here, if the majority of people want XT than they should be allowed to "impose" their rules upon the minority. The main issue is that the core-developers and other big names are being autistic about this whole thing, instead of just letting it go.
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