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August 31, 2015, 09:39:08 PM
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People can have the option of mining at non profitability and profit later...anyways

"All we are asking from the coder is the hashrate/ price of the fpga is equal or better than the gpu's / cpu's."

If it can be done, why not? Would be the same as a gpu/cpu. ( at least)
Because it isn't as simple as you are making it out to be, the coder will need dev boards, time and money to make it work. Dev boards are very expensive when they are one of a kind and when you throw 8 bitcoins at this project and he does get a code and set up worthwhile who is going to fabricate them? Who is going to purchase the MOQ to actually have the fabrication worthwhile?


The idea of these donations going anywhere but inside someone's pocket is extremely small.

This is still being discussed so i cant give any further details.
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September 01, 2015, 12:41:43 AM
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People can have the option of mining at non profitability and profit later...anyways

"All we are asking from the coder is the hashrate/ price of the fpga is equal or better than the gpu's / cpu's."

If it can be done, why not? Would be the same as a gpu/cpu. ( at least)
Because it isn't as simple as you are making it out to be, the coder will need dev boards, time and money to make it work. Dev boards are very expensive when they are one of a kind and when you throw 8 bitcoins at this project and he does get a code and set up worthwhile who is going to fabricate them? Who is going to purchase the MOQ to actually have the fabrication worthwhile?


The idea of these donations going anywhere but inside someone's pocket is extremely small.

Let him learn the hard way. Sure, it's possible, but it's not simple, and it'll likely be more expensive than GPU/CPU.

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September 01, 2015, 12:49:37 AM
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People can have the option of mining at non profitability and profit later...anyways

"All we are asking from the coder is the hashrate/ price of the fpga is equal or better than the gpu's / cpu's."

If it can be done, why not? Would be the same as a gpu/cpu. ( at least)
Because it isn't as simple as you are making it out to be, the coder will need dev boards, time and money to make it work. Dev boards are very expensive when they are one of a kind and when you throw 8 bitcoins at this project and he does get a code and set up worthwhile who is going to fabricate them? Who is going to purchase the MOQ to actually have the fabrication worthwhile?


The idea of these donations going anywhere but inside someone's pocket is extremely small.

Let him learn the hard way. Sure, it's possible, but it's not simple, and it'll likely be more expensive than GPU/CPU.


Thats why we have you Wolf, you can always do your performance tweaks :p
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September 01, 2015, 01:03:19 AM
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People can have the option of mining at non profitability and profit later...anyways

"All we are asking from the coder is the hashrate/ price of the fpga is equal or better than the gpu's / cpu's."

If it can be done, why not? Would be the same as a gpu/cpu. ( at least)
Because it isn't as simple as you are making it out to be, the coder will need dev boards, time and money to make it work. Dev boards are very expensive when they are one of a kind and when you throw 8 bitcoins at this project and he does get a code and set up worthwhile who is going to fabricate them? Who is going to purchase the MOQ to actually have the fabrication worthwhile?


The idea of these donations going anywhere but inside someone's pocket is extremely small.

Let him learn the hard way. Sure, it's possible, but it's not simple, and it'll likely be more expensive than GPU/CPU.


Thats why we have you Wolf, you can always do your performance tweaks :p

Not my problem.

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September 01, 2015, 12:38:34 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink

   
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September 01, 2015, 03:03:11 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

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September 01, 2015, 03:34:29 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

Sure it is! Stop thinking inside the box. Don't get a Kintex Ultrascale chip for X11, get maybe 8 or 9 Spartan-6 LX150 chips and use a custom board!

X11, if done properly, requires pretty much no memory. Each FPGA chip can be flashed to one algo each, except for maybe one or two that can fit two simpler algos. The algos will even be easy to pipeline - one chip is one step. Board should be custom, for fast communication between FPGA chips, and this will allow you to omit costly extras like RAM.

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September 01, 2015, 03:38:40 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

Sure it is! Stop thinking inside the box. Don't get a Kintex Ultrascale chip for X11, get maybe 8 or 9 Spartan-6 LX150 chips and use a custom board!

X11, if done properly, requires pretty much no memory. Each FPGA chip can be flashed to one algo each, except for maybe one or two that can fit two simpler algos. The algos will even be easy to pipeline - one chip is one step. Board should be custom, for fast communication between FPGA chips, and this will allow you to omit costly extras like RAM.
Hmm, I am not a developer but it sounds very possible and you definitely sound like you know what you are doing. You think you could design one and get one working and start your own FPGA company selling these if you had the right amount of investors or enough coin invested? You are the king of X11 bins and obviously know the technical side of it.

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September 01, 2015, 03:44:34 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

Sure it is! Stop thinking inside the box. Don't get a Kintex Ultrascale chip for X11, get maybe 8 or 9 Spartan-6 LX150 chips and use a custom board!

X11, if done properly, requires pretty much no memory. Each FPGA chip can be flashed to one algo each, except for maybe one or two that can fit two simpler algos. The algos will even be easy to pipeline - one chip is one step. Board should be custom, for fast communication between FPGA chips, and this will allow you to omit costly extras like RAM.
Hmm, I am not a developer but it sounds very possible and you definitely sound like you know what you are doing. You think you could design one and get one working and start your own FPGA company selling these if you had the right amount of investors or enough coin invested? You are the king of X11 bins and obviously know the technical side of it.
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September 01, 2015, 06:00:51 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

Sure it is! Stop thinking inside the box. Don't get a Kintex Ultrascale chip for X11, get maybe 8 or 9 Spartan-6 LX150 chips and use a custom board!

X11, if done properly, requires pretty much no memory. Each FPGA chip can be flashed to one algo each, except for maybe one or two that can fit two simpler algos. The algos will even be easy to pipeline - one chip is one step. Board should be custom, for fast communication between FPGA chips, and this will allow you to omit costly extras like RAM.

I only started this thread cause i heavily support cryptonote, the issue here is the fund, XMR has a development fund im not sure if that happens with any X11 coins so this can become public and not only for some users.
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September 01, 2015, 08:39:09 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

Sure it is! Stop thinking inside the box. Don't get a Kintex Ultrascale chip for X11, get maybe 8 or 9 Spartan-6 LX150 chips and use a custom board!

X11, if done properly, requires pretty much no memory. Each FPGA chip can be flashed to one algo each, except for maybe one or two that can fit two simpler algos. The algos will even be easy to pipeline - one chip is one step. Board should be custom, for fast communication between FPGA chips, and this will allow you to omit costly extras like RAM.
Hmm, I am not a developer but it sounds very possible and you definitely sound like you know what you are doing. You think you could design one and get one working and start your own FPGA company selling these if you had the right amount of investors or enough coin invested? You are the king of X11 bins and obviously know the technical side of it.

If I could get someone to solder the boards, I could probably do the dev work.

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September 01, 2015, 10:29:58 PM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

Sure it is! Stop thinking inside the box. Don't get a Kintex Ultrascale chip for X11, get maybe 8 or 9 Spartan-6 LX150 chips and use a custom board!

X11, if done properly, requires pretty much no memory. Each FPGA chip can be flashed to one algo each, except for maybe one or two that can fit two simpler algos. The algos will even be easy to pipeline - one chip is one step. Board should be custom, for fast communication between FPGA chips, and this will allow you to omit costly extras like RAM.
Hmm, I am not a developer but it sounds very possible and you definitely sound like you know what you are doing. You think you could design one and get one working and start your own FPGA company selling these if you had the right amount of investors or enough coin invested? You are the king of X11 bins and obviously know the technical side of it.

If I could get someone to solder the boards, I could probably do the dev work.

You could order a custom design i guess, but im not sure as im not into fpga's.
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September 02, 2015, 06:01:02 AM
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If I had to pay someone to code me some FPGA for mining I would choose another algorithm, at least a more profitable one Wink

You probably should consider paying this coder to work on FPGAs for X11, X13 and X15 coins Wink
Would be the only logical solution and then just sell the coins and buy the cryptonight coin you are interested in but still I don't think x11 is worth enough to warrant one yet.

Sure it is! Stop thinking inside the box. Don't get a Kintex Ultrascale chip for X11, get maybe 8 or 9 Spartan-6 LX150 chips and use a custom board!

X11, if done properly, requires pretty much no memory. Each FPGA chip can be flashed to one algo each, except for maybe one or two that can fit two simpler algos. The algos will even be easy to pipeline - one chip is one step. Board should be custom, for fast communication between FPGA chips, and this will allow you to omit costly extras like RAM.
Hmm, I am not a developer but it sounds very possible and you definitely sound like you know what you are doing. You think you could design one and get one working and start your own FPGA company selling these if you had the right amount of investors or enough coin invested? You are the king of X11 bins and obviously know the technical side of it.

If I could get someone to solder the boards, I could probably do the dev work.

You could order a custom design i guess, but im not sure as im not into fpga's.

You wouldn't need to. I mean "someone" like a person to do the soldering.

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September 02, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
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What is so special about FPGA exactly?

Last I heard its only advantage is the low power usage but they are generally very slow. If you want something fast, you need to design an ASIC for that.

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September 02, 2015, 01:26:11 PM
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What is so special about FPGA exactly?

Last I heard its only advantage is the low power usage but they are generally very slow. If you want something fast, you need to design an ASIC for that.

Not really true - depending on the task, FPGA can own GPUs using maybe a fourth of the power or less. Keep in mind - FPGA work IS ASIC design; my Verilog could be put to actual chips, for example, if someone had shittons to burn.

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September 02, 2015, 02:25:37 PM
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What is so special about FPGA exactly?

Last I heard its only advantage is the low power usage but they are generally very slow. If you want something fast, you need to design an ASIC for that.

Not really true - depending on the task, FPGA can own GPUs using maybe a fourth of the power or less. Keep in mind - FPGA work IS ASIC design; my Verilog could be put to actual chips, for example, if someone had shittons to burn.
Yeah which I imagine would happen if the X11 market increases dramatically but this would require BTC and LTC going up since they're somewhat tied in price.  Pretty much if BTC rises back to 1000$ and Ltc to 50$, and Dash at $40+ I expect x11 asics will be in development.

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January 18, 2017, 09:55:18 PM
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So since this thread was originally started we can see the proliferation of x11 asics and fpga's (I still think Baikal's seem more fpga then asic).

But my question has anyone made any progress towards cryptonight fpga's/asics?
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