An Open Letter to the Bitcoin Community from the Developers

[ashour]

"Trust us"

No.

I thought bitcoin was to be a trustless system?

Bitcoin is a trustless system but the some if not all of the bitcoin core developers are not to be trust since they work for 3rd parties like BlockStream

[cafucafucafu]

These people are idiots.

[brg444]

I am TRYING to keep an open mind.

The thing is, 5 core guys couldn't agree on how and when to raise
the block size, but now we're going to have a couple of workshops
where the global user base is invited, and somehow the best solutions are going
to emerge and we are all going to agree on the best course of action?

Again, trying to be optimistic and I like the transparency
but I don't understand how this is going to work.

Also, since people like Gavin have been ranting on how
we are running out time, it is troubling we are told
to wait till December.  This should have been done already
if they wanted to do it.  I still say a moderate dose of healthy skepticism
is appropriate.

Exactly. Don't you find it suspect he, and Mike, have been the only ones trying to hammer in this point?

[crazyearner]

Sure will be interesting to see what happens at the new workshops that will being the community together. More is needed to be done to bring bitcoin back together. Development team need to listen more to its users worldwide, to get things moving back on track. If more is not done to secure its future then I do not see Bitcoin dominating the top poll position any longer given current situation of loom. More people using it is one thing. More shops adopting it to use as payment is also another option. But for it to get though its current tough times it needs a lot of work and stuff putting in place to stop the wide and massive spikes, stop that and you got more people using it. Stop the stupid updates and make more improvements and listen to the community we have lift off and right now we are at a null.

[brg444]

I am TRYING to keep an open mind.

The thing is, 5 core guys couldn't agree on how and when to raise
the block size, but now we're going to have a couple of workshops
where the global user base is invited, and somehow the best solutions are going
to emerge and we are all going to agree on the best course of action?

Again, trying to be optimistic and I like the transparency
but I don't understand how this is going to work.

Seriously, they must think bitcoin industry leaders are children. They stonewall any blocksize increase proposal, and held us hostage. Now they gave us 2 fcking workshops, like we would magically come to an agreement by meeting in person.

Whats the point of communication online then.

I guess they dont give a shit about those signatures from all the largest bitcoin service providers.....

No they don't because these were nothing more than Gavin handing out the "letter" and them signing it. These companies are fraud and should be referred as such.

Please provide quotes and facts referring to the "stonewalling".

[brg444]

Seriously this is super disappointing that the developers can't come to some sort of agreement on a simple code change/removal of a number in the code.

Imagine adding any more changes to the code that could or would help bitcoin become a better digital cash that Satoshi meant Bitcoin to be.

Mind boggling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[TransaDox]

Haters gonna hate. I wonder if there were similar accusations against Xerox Parc?

So there is a workshop. I don't see that as a bad thing. God forbid anyone should talk face-to-face  

The only issue I have with it is there are only two. How about a couple in Europe and South America?

[Carlton Banks]

The only issue I have with it is there are only two. How about a couple in Europe and South America?

Same, can't make it to Montreal so soon, and Hong Kong is too far.

[brg444]

The only issue I have with it is there are only two. How about a couple in Europe and South America?

Same, can't make it to Montreal so soon, and Hong Kong is too far.

I think the main issue is they do respect the fact that it could get messier the longer this stays unresolved...

The workshop were announced a couple weeks ago btw..

[Carlton Banks]

I don't understand this. So is the solution suppose to emerge from these two workshops or is this just a try to "get community involved so they fell important and they see that we do care about their voice" and then on the other side we will do as we imagined.

My mind really doesn't know what to think about this. When I saw a title, An open letter to the community from developers, I told to myself thanks God we have a solution and consensus will be reached, but now I am even more confused!

It's a complex topic, so these workshops will be an invaluable educational tool for all in the community.

It's just a shame the BIP101 crowd are so against this dialogue, it would be much better if they presented their arguments publicly than taking their ball and going home.  

[Peter R]

...Also, since people like Gavin have been ranting on how
we are running out time...

Exactly. Don't you find it suspect he, and Mike, have been the only ones trying to hammer in this point?

Gavin and Mike are the only ones?  From my vantage point, over half of the Bitcoin community has been hammering on this point all summer long.  

[jonald_fyookball]

It's just a shame the BIP101 crowd are so against this dialogue

who is against the dialouge?

[knight22]

"Trust us"

No.

I thought bitcoin was to be a trustless system?

It's trustless as long as you can fork the code. But when you do so, they'll call it an altcoin.

Ironic isn't it?

[brg444]

...Also, since people like Gavin have been ranting on how
we are running out time...

Exactly. Don't you find it suspect he, and Mike, have been the only ones trying to hammer in this point?

Gavin and Mike are the only ones?  From my vantage point, over half of the Bitcoin community has been hammering on this point all summer long.  

A reaction only sparked by the Gavin blog post propaganda.

Again, the lead up to current situation has been well documented

[brg444]

It's just a shame the BIP101 crowd are so against this dialogue

who is against the dialouge?

Mike & Gavin for one apparently.

[Peter R]

The only issue I have with it is there are only two. How about a couple in Europe and South America?

Same, can't make it to Montreal so soon, and Hong Kong is too far.

I think the main issue is they do respect the fact that it could get messier the longer this stays unresolved...

The workshop were announced a couple weeks ago btw..

And still as of today, no submissions have been accepted.  If presenters hear back tomorrow, that gives them only 8 business days to prepare PowerPoint slides, book flights, and reserve hotel accommodations.  

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-workshops/2015-August/000012.html

This is highly unusual for a conference promoted as academic in nature (normally, there would be over 6 weeks [rather than 8 days]).  

[jonald_fyookball]

It's just a shame the BIP101 crowd are so against this dialogue

who is against the dialouge?

Mike & Gavin for one apparently.

So they actually said these workshops were a bad idea?

Please show me that, I'd like to see.

[brg444]

It's just a shame the BIP101 crowd are so against this dialogue

who is against the dialouge?

Mike & Gavin for one apparently.

So they actually said these workshops were a bad idea?

Please show me that, I'd like to see.

Pretty certain I've read on Twitter Mike has no plan of attending. You will also realize none of them signed the letter.

I increasingly feel the urge to attend. Seem like we could be witnessing historic moment.

[jonald_fyookball]

It's just a shame the BIP101 crowd are so against this dialogue

who is against the dialouge?

Mike & Gavin for one apparently.

So they actually said these workshops were a bad idea?

Please show me that, I'd like to see.

Pretty certain I've read on Twitter Mike has no plan of attending. You will also realize none of them signed the letter.

Just because they don't endorse the event with their signature, doesn't mean they are "against the dialouge."
Once again, you are twisting facts because of your bias.  

[Peter R]

...Also, since people like Gavin have been ranting on how
we are running out time...

Exactly. Don't you find it suspect he, and Mike, have been the only ones trying to hammer in this point?

Gavin and Mike are the only ones?  From my vantage point, over half of the Bitcoin community has been hammering on this point all summer long.  

A reaction only sparked by the Gavin blog post propaganda.

Again, the lead up to current situation has been well documented

Which is another way of saying that you agree with me that Mike and Gavin are not the only ones hammering on this point.