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September 10, 2015, 12:35:55 AM
Last edit: September 10, 2015, 03:47:55 AM by Swordsoffreedom
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Counter-Op and continuation of
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1168216.0

Kim Davis Gets A Hero's Welcome In Rally Outside Of Jail
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-triumph-of-kim-davis/404410/
http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/09/kim-davis-ted-cruz-mike-huckabee/404287/

Solution: If ONE clerk has an issue with issuing out marriage licenses to gay couples due to her religious objections, THEN FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT FOR NOT PUTTING IT UP TO VOTE with one that will. Unless, that is, she's being made the "symbol" of Kentucky and the country.

Surely, there's more than one clerk, one of which has no religious objections who could at least handle these unique requests, however she is one of many that's fought against this ruling. This way the clerk's beliefs are not put in question and she maintains her position and salary, so that at the end of the day, everybody's happy, some happily married.




The gay-rights movement won with images of loving couples. The religious-liberty movement will win with images of jailed Christian women.

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September 10, 2015, 03:06:07 AM
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Why did you ignore the other threads about this topic on this board?

Here's one with the same title as yours (is this your alt account?): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1168216.0

Here's one that I started: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174443.0

So what's different about your thread that's not covered on these other two?

BTW, at the end of the day she may be happy but she's also a hypocrite. Refuses to do her work, still keeps her paycheck, doesn't really stand up for what she believes in since she's still working for the government that is enforcing laws she doesn't believe in...

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September 10, 2015, 03:21:54 AM
Last edit: September 10, 2015, 03:53:24 AM by Swordsoffreedom
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Why did you ignore the other threads about this topic on this board?

Here's one with the same title as yours (is this your alt account?): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1168216.0

Here's one that I started: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174443.0

So what's different about your thread that's not covered on these other two?

BTW, at the end of the day she may be happy but she's also a hypocrite. Refuses to do her work, still keeps her paycheck, doesn't really stand up for what she believes in since she's still working for the government that is enforcing laws she doesn't believe in...

This thread serves as a Counter-OP in favor of the ruling to set her free and will address the other side of the issue it provides another viewpoint counter to Glebs thread and starts with a Pro-Davis OP instead of an anti-Davis OP, I linked it in the thread if there is a need for it to be referenced I also changed the title here to address your issue.

The reason for this post is that Glebs thread needed an OP edit to account for the change to her status and while there are two threads with favorable OP's against Davis there is not one that starts on the other end so this balances the viewpoint.

Davis is out of Jail and it would be bumped assuming she was still in Jail citing the Reuters article since I can't edit the OP in Glebs post I decided to just remake it and then post more news feeds here covering the topic as it updates in the OP.
I wish Phin/Goat was my alt but it is not to be so this serves as a replace and updated version to the previous thread.

Your thread is asking for an opinion about Kim Davis and does not overlap with this thread which encompasses more than the person, I did post there as well but I see it a related topic that does not cover this area as such I feel their is a valid reason to make this thread.

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To make it more clear this thread is about the erosion of religious liberty in the United States and is centered around the idea of Kim Davis as a symbol against the fear there will not be space in public life for those who oppose same-sex marriage and the debates around the issues related to it.

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September 10, 2015, 06:36:25 AM
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To make it more clear this thread is about the erosion of religious liberty in the United States and is centered around the idea of Kim Davis as a symbol against the fear there will not be space in public life for those who oppose same-sex marriage and the debates around the issues related to it.


Thanks for the clarification - I clearly understand why this thread is different from others. So are you self moderating this? Are you allowing free debate or is this only for pro "erosion of religious liberty" discussion?

I don't think your OP really makes a case for Kim Davis' actions. What other examples do you have of religious liberty being eroded in the US? Also, does your definition of religious liberty only apply to Christianity (Kim Davis' religion) or to all religions?

I think that latter question is really important. You could be pro Christianity (and con other religions) or you could be for more religious influence in the laws and society in the US.

Thanks.

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September 15, 2015, 07:34:16 AM
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To make it more clear this thread is about the erosion of religious liberty in the United States and is centered around the idea of Kim Davis as a symbol against the fear there will not be space in public life for those who oppose same-sex marriage and the debates around the issues related to it.


Thanks for the clarification - I clearly understand why this thread is different from others. So are you self moderating this? Are you allowing free debate or is this only for pro "erosion of religious liberty" discussion?

I don't think your OP really makes a case for Kim Davis' actions. What other examples do you have of religious liberty being eroded in the US? Also, does your definition of religious liberty only apply to Christianity (Kim Davis' religion) or to all religions?

I think that latter question is really important. You could be pro Christianity (and con other religions) or you could be for more religious influence in the laws and society in the US.

Thanks.

It's an interesting question Harry, considering your input it makes sense to rebuild the thread and lock this one and make a thread that focuses more on the challenges to religious liberty on a Global scale and I guess religious activism would be fair game such as the recent attempts by churches in Canada and the US to sponsor immigrants to their countries doesn't always need to have a negative spin.

I think I'll make a religion in society thread instead (or Religious Synergy (Rsync) to be short)

That said I don't want it to overlap with the Why Atheists hate Religion thread or Why people hate Islam which is more on the side of a general overview and a Gay-Religious Issues thread may be too constrictive to the scale.

To be fair it is distinctly different than both of those threads that already exist here as it would imply a positive bias over a negative one and would include more interaction points.

As for moderation I was planning to let it run as an open thread and not be self-moderated to allow vocal discussion but the breadth of discussion is just as important as allowing vigorous debate on contentious issues, the more debated ones will likely be the ones to pass the scale to get their own Politics and Society threads opened the rest are good for highlighting.

In terms of updating it I would post a topic related to a religious issue as they come up, whether its about cakes/marriages/polygamy/adoption
Some occasional bumping as these issues tend to bubble up now and then but not too rapidly unless it was a busy week.

Long way to say I'm closing this one out of consideration for your ideas and spending a bit more time trying to mold what type of thread it will be but kind of want something like the Press Board where issues are posted and then discussed, with the promoted articles board if people want to elevate it to a debate.

Thanks for the clarification though it helped to organize it.

New thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1180934.new#new

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Who we are is not determined by race, ethnicity, or religious beliefs, but what we share of humanity, it's the intent of the mass that can change the world.

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