Petition to pass the Bitcoin Alert Keys to Andreas M. Antonopoulos (w/POLL)

[unamis76]

I suppose that they are secretly distributed, but I wouldn't know. I would assume that the devs discuss it privately before giving the key to another person.

This was basically the main goal of my question, trying to know if they're secretly distributed... Thanks for your reply

Destroy all the alert keys forever would be the best solution.

Any specific reason why?

[stuff0577]

NO. I wonder why it should be controlled by a person?

[Gleb Gamow]

Please vote if you desire or not for Andreas M. Antonopoulos to have the Bitcoin Alert Keys currently being held by Satoshi, Gavin Andresen, and theymos.

EDIT: This is provin' to be interesting and unexpected. Please continue the convo, guys, and thanks for the inputs.

wtf is this

WTF is this?

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Please vote if you desire or not for Andreas M. Antonopoulos to have the Bitcoin Alert Keys currently being held by Satoshi, Gavin Andresen, and theymos.

This makes no sense. No one's Alert Key should be "taken away" unless they willfully abuse it or improperly use it.

He doesn't have one yet. The poll is for whether he should get one. Nothing is being taken away.

I read Gleb Gamow's statement above to say something to the effect of:
Take these people out of the Alert Key code in the protocol and add a new one for Antonopoulos.

I understood it from this line: "to have the Bitcoin Alert Keys currently being held".
But maybe Gleb meant "to have like".

Edit: Just as a concept, in relation to Mickeyb's comment above me, maybe there should be a Tier 2 Alert Key system added.
It has limited capability, but in times of emergency can send a message.
Maybe allow five Tier 2 Alert keys. Give Antonopoulos one of those. But this is just my noobish opinion.

Correct!

Also, I've read that others may have the Alert Key(s), in which if true, this thread may be pointless. I would love to read definitive proof of such if true. Due to its nature, no names of those holding the key(s) needs to be revealed as far as I'm concerned.

[gogxmagog]

He's not a dev so no.

He's a good spokesman, but that's not really relevant for holding alert keys, even as well liked and trusted as he is

[Gleb Gamow]

He's not a dev so no.

He's a good spokesman, but that's not really relevant for holding alert keys, even as well liked and trusted as he is

Okay, I see my error, with apologies. Please advise me if I should lock this thread.

At least the posts were enlightening.

[TheMage]

He's not a dev so no.

He's a good spokesman, but that's not really relevant for holding alert keys, even as well liked and trusted as he is

Okay, I see my error, with apologies. Please advise me if I should look this thread.

At least the posts were enlightening.

I assume you mean "lock"?

If so no, discussion on topics like this only enable us as an industry to grow. Thats my take on it.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

So who has all the keys, Gleb? Inquiring minds wanna know.

[Gleb Gamow]

He's not a dev so no.

He's a good spokesman, but that's not really relevant for holding alert keys, even as well liked and trusted as he is

Okay, I see my error, with apologies. Please advise me if I should look this thread.

At least the posts were enlightening.

I assume you mean "lock"?

If so no, discussion on topics like this only enable us as an industry to grow. Thats my take on it.

Thanks, and I knew I should've proofread that post more than ONLY four times prior to posting it.

So who has all the keys, Gleb? Inquiring minds wanna know.

All I know of is the three named in the OP.

[johnyj]

He has good coverage of a wide variety of aspects of bitcoin, like technology, economy, society, politics, psychology etc...

That's not the case with majority of the people in the community. For example, some of the devs are extremely good at coding, but they lack good understanding of how the society and economy, especially how a monetary system works. Because they are not working in those area, and those jobs like banker or senator typically holds knowledge that you can not get from google or school. When you don't have knowledge in a specific area, you might make wrong decisions due to lack of overview, no matter how good you are at your own expertise. A good example is block size debate, solutions can be technically correct, but economically and politically wrong

Devs can also improve their knowledge in other area, but that will also cost a lot of time. If it takes 10 years for a smart person to become an expert in coding, then it might take 20 years for him to become an expert in economy and finance, simply because the society and economy is not really a science, they are much more difficult to learn and understand, everything in those area are highly political and full of illusions

Take fiat money for example, why people blindly trust those pieces of paper even they knows that central banks print those notes faster than printing books? Andreas just revealed part of the reason: We live in an era where fear has overcome reason. It is difficult to understand fiat money's value without taking enough time to dig into the psychology root of each people's unconscious behavior. However, if you fail to understand how the value of a currency is based on, then your decision might destroy a currency like many currency makers did during past several hundred years

[TheMage]

He has good coverage of a wide variety of aspects of bitcoin, like technology, economy, society, politics, psychology etc...

That's not the case with majority of the people in the community. For example, some of the devs are extremely good at coding, but they lack good understanding of how the society and economy, especially how a monetary system works. Because they are not working in those area, and those jobs like banker or senator typically holds knowledge that you can not get from google or school. When you don't have knowledge in a specific area, you might make wrong decisions due to lack of overview, no matter how good you are at your own expertise. A good example is block size debate, solutions can be technically correct, but economically and politically wrong

Devs can also improve their knowledge in other area, but that will also cost a lot of time. If it takes 10 years for a smart person to become an expert in coding, then it might take 20 years for him to become an expert in economy and finance, simply because the society and economy is not really a science, they are much more difficult to learn and understand, everything in those area are highly political and full of illusions

Take fiat money for example, why people blindly trust those pieces of paper even they knows that central banks print those notes faster than printing books? Andreas just revealed part of the reason: We live in an era where fear has overcome reason. It is difficult to understand fiat money's value without taking enough time to dig into the psychology root of each people's unconscious behavior. However, if you fail to understand how the value of a currency is based on, then your decision might destroy a currency like many currency makers did during past several hundred years

Very good post here. One issue I have had with the currency state of cryptos is the significant lack of systems engineering, which bridges all disciplines and can evaluate everything from a top down approach.

This is something I am working on in hopes that my contributions in the future are taken seriously as opposed to be ostracised since I am not a developer.

[tss]

Please vote if you desire or not for Andreas M. Antonopoulos to have the Bitcoin Alert Keys currently being held by Satoshi, Gavin Andresen, and theymos.

EDIT: This is provin' to be interesting and unexpected. Please continue the convo, guys, and thanks for the inputs.

while we're at it lets make Mark karpeles and Ross ulbricht become Bitcoin jail pen pals because it just makes so much sense you know?

next up on jail house news.  ulbricht shanks karpeles over a coffee stash.

[Possum577]

The bitcoin alert key should be taken from Gavin for his attempt to go his own way without, he's abused the privilege. Let it be a lesson that significant changes need to be socialized and shopped and come with significant support from the community (not just the developers). The community can leave bitcoin for another option just as eagerly as we all want to stay...it would be troublesome but it could happen.

Satoshi and Theymos are the only two who've shown genuine interest for the community...this it the test that needs to be passed.

[RoadStress]

Andreas for President! (after McAfee)

[Possum577]

Andreas for President! (after McAfee)

That's fine the President (for any country) doesn't have access to the Bitcoin Alert Keys...

[fryarminer]

What got you asking this Gleb?

[mallard]

Why not multisig alert keys, so that two or more holders have to agree on a message?

[Kprawn]

Ok, If you allow Andreas to have those keys... we will all sing this ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sLR0vgpeWI  He will shake things a bit, and those engineers will

not know where to hide. He is a brilliant speaker, and a passionate Bitcoiner... and I like him to bits... but if I am honest with myself... I would say he will be to much for those

guys at MIT. If I had a key, I would lend it to him, just to give life to the boring party. 

[odolvlobo]

People that don't want to see alerts can easily run a version of Bitcoin Core with that feature disabled. If everyone does that then alert keys mean nothing.

[Gleb Gamow]

What got you asking this Gleb?

wtf

Ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.0

[Carlton Banks]

Devs can also improve their knowledge in other area, but that will also cost a lot of time. If it takes 10 years for a smart person to become an expert in coding, then it might take 20 years for him to become an expert in economy and finance, simply because the society and economy is not really a science, they are much more difficult to learn and understand, everything in those area are highly political and full of illusions

Strongly disagree.

There are 2 academic disciplines that are often cited as being the most employable: Mathematics and Philosophy. These two subjects are said to bestow their adherents with the most flexible (and most abstract) reasoning capabilities. And so the abilities of people well versed in either to take on a wholly new subject matter and understand & learn it are naturally advantaged over those that are untrained.

Computer scientists, especially the accomplished ones working on Core, are missing from the above mentioned truism IMO. You need excellent math to do Computer Science well, but what outsiders often fail to understand is that an accomplished computer scientist also needs language and psychology skills (language for understanding the programming idioms and psychology for designing the user experience).

If anyone can learn the economics, sociology and political theory needed for cryptocurrency design context, it's computer scientists like these people. gmaxwell has already demonstrated a sophisticated grasp of social and political theory; he introduced me, for instance, to the value of keeping your financial information well guarded, or that the 2nd worst thing after being prevented from reading is having your reading monitored and prescribed to you.

Take fiat money for example, why people blindly trust those pieces of paper even they knows that central banks print those notes faster than printing books? Andreas just revealed part of the reason: We live in an era where fear has overcome reason. It is difficult to understand fiat money's value without taking enough time to dig into the psychology root of each people's unconscious behavior. However, if you fail to understand how the value of a currency is based on, then your decision might destroy a currency like many currency makers did during past several hundred years

I think we can find easy ways to explain monetary theory to people. It's tough to get your head around hihg level explanations, but I've succeeded in finding ways of explaining it to some fairly simple minded people. Using examples (and choosing the example carefully) is often what works.