Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?

[winspiral]

You answered 1 out of 3 questions I have and asked me to leave your thread.

if i have wrote this it was not in my mind...
have I wrote this?

#2 how it is tied to the investors (if its from ads, why do you need their money?)

I do not understant tied...

this is what i answered on my topic to an other member:

http://bitcoin.winspiral.net

Plan 100 days maxi.
Investment 1mBTC minimum

No risk...You can not lose.
You can follow the earning process several times updated per day.

Earning depends on the income of the site itself.
The investors are shareholders of the site.

This site and that addres were belong to you?? Can i get any detail here how you manage our money??? So i can make my personal analisis before i jump on yours program...

No problem even if I have it explained here several times.
it seems it is hard to understand for people...I hope it is understood by the investors.

Your money serves only and strictly only to determine the part of shares you have in the start-up.
is this clear?
if this is not understood...all my system is not understood.

let's suppose in my startup is invested 49mBTS (pending investment)
if you invest 1mBTC we have 50mBTC pending investment.
so each time a dividend is given you earn (dividend/50*1)

if you invest 2mBTC:
so each time a dividend is given you earn (dividend/51*2)

Is so far all clear...because if one does not understand this...i cannot imagine how one can analyse...

i have got 2 negative trust points from people who does not understand this...
The problem is...because of this 2 people i have lost my avatar sponsor.
If each time I would not understand something or someone i give a negative trust point i would only do this...

and for this:

#3 why you explain nothing in that regard on your site?

I thought that all would gone slower and that I would have more time to talk about little by little when pages are created.
I thought that discussion will start on the other forum where the link from is on homepage.
The talk about page is not yet "arranged"
But I feel that forums will not be enough to explain my system.(lol)

You have certainly noticed that on the site is a contact link where one can ask for more info too.

[Vod]

But I feel that forums will not be enough to explain my system.(lol)

So you are saying this ponzi is your system, and you are not just promoting it?

[winspiral]

But I feel that forums will not be enough to explain my system.(lol)

So you are saying this ponzi is your system, and you are not just promoting it?

of course it is my system but not my ponzi (lol)

[Xian01]

"Most people know the results of investing in ponzi so won't make a difference"

Come on people... The name "Ponzi" will forever be synonymous with fraud.

[tsoPANos]

I voted the third option only because I think they should by punished if and only if they are aware of their scam they are advertising.

[dre1982]

No you shouldn't give those people negative trust.

It's allowed on this forum to create topics about the ponzi. If you don't want to have users promoting it, you should first stop the topics about the ponzi. If you allowed to first, you should accept the second.

[lemipawa]

No you shouldn't give those people negative trust.

It's allowed on this forum to create topics about the ponzi. If you don't want to have users promoting it, you should first stop the topics about the ponzi. If you allowed to first, you should accept the second.

Creating a topic about ponzi is different from advertising or promoting ponzi
When we create a topic about ponzi, that is a way for us to discuss what the site is all about.
Topics like this helps educate and warn others that site is ponzi
Unlike a signature, it will say something about the site but not definitely say that site is pozi

[shorena]

No you shouldn't give those people negative trust.

It's allowed on this forum to create topics about the ponzi. If you don't want to have users promoting it, you should first stop the topics about the ponzi. If you allowed to first, you should accept the second.

Its also allowed to scam you for all you have. That is the exact reason the DT system exists. To keep moderation and things like this seperated as much as possible.

You answered 1 out of 3 questions I have and asked me to leave your thread.

if i have wrote this it was not in my mind...
have I wrote this?

Here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171677.msg12464219#msg12464219

At least that was my understanding of your "it is no need to tall about other things.." after you ignored my questions twice and talked about something else.

#2 how it is tied to the investors (if its from ads, why do you need their money?)

I do not understant tied...

this is what i answered on my topic to an other member:

The question is why do you need investors if your income comes from ads.

http://bitcoin.winspiral.net

Plan 100 days maxi.
Investment 1mBTC minimum

No risk...You can not lose.
You can follow the earning process several times updated per day.

Earning depends on the income of the site itself.
The investors are shareholders of the site.

This site and that addres were belong to you?? Can i get any detail here how you manage our money??? So i can make my personal analisis before i jump on yours program...

No problem even if I have it explained here several times.
it seems it is hard to understand for people...I hope it is understood by the investors.

Your money serves only and strictly only to determine the part of shares you have in the start-up.
is this clear?

Yes, you sell "shares". The question still remains, why? Do you have expenses that are covered by 1mBTC shares? Usually a company sells shares because they need money, e.g. to expand. Investors assess the situation of the company the possible expansion and decide to invest. They take a risk that the expansion might fail with the promisse that if the company is successfully the investors also got a part of the profit or their shares raise in value, usually both.

if this is not understood...all my system is not understood.

let's suppose in my startup is invested 49mBTS (pending investment)
if you invest 1mBTC we have 50mBTC pending investment.
so each time a dividend is given you earn (dividend/50*1)


if you invest 2mBTC:
so each time a dividend is given you earn (dividend/51*2)

I dont get it. If I double my investment the dividend you pay gets divided by 102 instead of 50? Why do I get a smaller piece if I invest more?

Is so far all clear...because if one does not understand this...i cannot imagine how one can analyse...


i have got 2 negative trust points from people who does not understand this...
The problem is...because of this 2 people i have lost my avatar sponsor.
If each time I would not understand something or someone i give a negative trust point i would only do this...

You want peoples coins, there should be no doubt what they are buying from you.

and for this:

#3 why you explain nothing in that regard on your site?

I thought that all would gone slower and that I would have more time to talk about little by little when pages are created.
I thought that discussion will start on the other forum where the link from is on homepage.
The talk about page is not yet "arranged"
But I feel that forums will not be enough to explain my system.(lol)

You have certainly noticed that on the site is a contact link where one can ask for more info too.

So you just did not have the time to inform the people you take money from what you do with their money?

[winspiral]

So you just did not have the time to inform the people you take money from what you do with their money?

If I see how hard it is to inform you just to inform that with this money is done nothing and it is just used to fix the prorata...I do not regret not talking about...
it's a startup...and investors who have invested have not waited that you understand...
they have contact me and have asked about what was not clear...
Do not take investors for "idiots"...

Is what I do with the money so important?
What is important is that investors invest and are sure to get back their money...with profit.
More is not in the deal.
You trust or you do not trust me.
Investors are clever enough to investigate about winspiral and they can easily see if it is worth or not to invest and if winspiral is trustable.

I have started my system and given the possibility to invest at who want...
After if people invest or do not invest does absolutly not matter for me.
All we are now talking about has so few importance because if I would scam people,I could scam people...but why should I now after so long time on the net?
Just for few satoshi?
Do you believe that people will invest 100 bitcoin for just few satoshi dividends?

Have you not understood that if to much is invested for actual dividends it is non-sens and then even if all is given back it is non-sens.

Why should I invent a ponzi where it is not recommended to invest to much if dividends are low?
Why should I invent a ponzi where I show that the dividend is low?

Once again...
I program systems for the fun...and people invest if they want and if they do not trust they do not invest.
I do not say they have to leave the thread...just not invest.
If they trust me...then just invest if they think that the profit is interesting.
After what i do with their money...I say it and say it again...i do nothing with  it it is just for the dividend dispatching.

My system is not just an investisment system.
It is more a game where you have to decide if it is interesting to invest.
it's not "invest and you get 10% in 100 days"...
No.
You have to decide if for you...and only for you it is interesting to invest for eventually very few dividends or perhaps yes perhaps more.
You play this game or not...
For me even if only one do play...it is enough(i have already explain it)

To be honnest with you:
I had never believed that so much is so fast invested in my system.
I believed that people will first "look" how things will progress.

Good night...it's late here in France (lol)

[cjmoles]

I apologize if I'm asking a noob question and I also apologize if this is the wrong thread to be asking the question, but I feel like it's germain to this discussion (forgive me if I'm wrong):

What is an Avatar sponsorship and how does a negative trust rating effect it?

[winspiral]

I apologize if I'm asking a noob question and I also apologize if this is the wrong thread to be asking the question, but I feel like it's germain to this discussion (forgive me if I'm wrong):

What is an Avatar sponsorship and how does a negative trust rating effect it?

I'm a living exemple for your question:
iI had a sponsor who bought my avatar place and I put at this place his avatar and few propotion words.
I got negative points...and so My sponsor has decide to stop the avatar sponsoring because he want not be associated with a negative pointed.

it is why you should be carefull with your power to give negative points because you can indirectly decrease the incomes of an innocent.

My negative trust pointers believe that they do somethings good for the society,but in reality they destroy a part of incomes of an innocent for a wrong reason.

I insist about this story for at least 5 reasons:
1)My reputation is blacked because it is said i'm a ponzi promoter.
2)My site is blacked because wrong promotion is made about it.
3)I lose money for many reason for this misinformation.
4)People perhaps will lose money  because they do not invest after reading that i'm a ponzi promoter.
5)My investors are taken for (Chose the word yourself) because they have invested in a supposed ponzi.
6)My investors will ean less because I and my start-up earn less.

It's the last reason who hurt me the most because innocent investors loose money for wrong reason.

[Winalunt]

i dont know if it is allowed or not ,but people do get a neg trust when they are caught doing it ..
check VOD's sent feedbacks you can find many neg's on this case.

[favdesu]

I'd like to see some click stats on signature campaigns. I wonder if they get a lot of traffic or rather mediocre traffic...

[shorena]

So you just did not have the time to inform the people you take money from what you do with their money?

If I see how hard it is to inform you just to inform that with this money is done nothing and it is just used to fix the prorata...I do not regret not talking about...
it's a startup...and investors who have invested have not waited that you understand...
they have contact me and have asked about what was not clear...
Do not take investors for "idiots"...

It is your assumption that I take your investors for anything. Please if you find someone that understands your system, have them contact me. You keep repeating the same things, there is no reason to do so.

Is what I do with the money so important?

In my opinion (and that of other) it is. I would like to assume that everyone thinks their own money is important enough to at least understand what they spend it on. There is nothing I can do about people that just blindly trust someone, but warn them. This is what your rating is about. Its a warning that you run and promote a complex investment scheme you seem unable to explain in plain english. I think I should probably rephrase the rating to reflect that and link to this thread as it allows those who care to read up on our discussion and make up their own mind.

What is important is that investors invest and are sure to get back their money...with profit.
More is not in the deal.
You trust or you do not trust me.

I dont trust you, in fact I have a strong feeling that you are after coins from other people without a concept (this was only clear after the discussion) only to enrich yourself. Your scheme reeks like ponzi, you fail to address questions and repeat the same bogus stuff over and over again.

Investors are clever enough to investigate about winspiral and they can easily see if it is worth or not to invest and if winspiral is trustable.

If that is true, than my rating did nothing to you or your business. If investors actually understand your system and have researched your system, they should have no problem to cast my opinion aside and invest regardless.

I have started my system and given the possibility to invest at who want...
After if people invest or do not invest does absolutly not matter for me.
All we are now talking about has so few importance because if I would scam people,I could scam people...but why should I now after so long time on the net?
Just for few satoshi?
Do you believe that people will invest 100 bitcoin for just few satoshi dividends?

Scammers gonna scam for the smallest amounts. You dont have a point here.

Have you not understood that if to much is invested for actual dividends it is non-sens and then even if all is given back it is non-sens.

What would be too much for you though?

Why should I invent a ponzi where it is not recommended to invest to much if dividends are low?
Why should I invent a ponzi where I show that the dividend is low?

Once again...
I program systems for the fun...and people invest if they want and if they do not trust they do not invest.
I do not say they have to leave the thread...just not invest.
If they trust me...then just invest if they think that the profit is interesting.
After what i do with their money...I say it and say it again...i do nothing with  it it is just for the dividend dispatching.

If you just want to give away a little, why not create a faucet? Why do ask for money if you dont need it?

My system is not just an investisment system.
It is more a game where you have to decide if it is interesting to invest.
it's not "invest and you get 10% in 100 days"...
No.
You have to decide if for you...and only for you it is interesting to invest for eventually very few dividends or perhaps yes perhaps more.
You play this game or not...
For me even if only one do play...it is enough(i have already explain it)

To be honnest with you:
I had never believed that so much is so fast invested in my system.
I believed that people will first "look" how things will progress.

Good night...it's late here in France (lol)

Good night.

tl;dr Since you dont answer my questions anyway, find someone that can.

[iCan]

For example  now is running ICO [SCAM]SweetStake[SCAM] on yobit exchange. I think this is one of ponzi plan. So in author opinion should I remove they logo from my signature and give every one negative trust who didn't do this? 

[tmfp]

It's very simple, you can leave negative feedback if

You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

If you don't, don't.

Simple.

[Patejl]

For example  now is running ICO [SCAM]SweetStake[SCAM] on yobit exchange. I think this is one of ponzi plan. So in author opinion should I remove they logo from my signature and give every one negative trust who didn't do this? 

AFAIK its a alt coin, I here am talking only about ponzi sites(not plans) which require you to send btc to a address and promise a false return.

[winspiral]

So you just did not have the time to inform the people you take money from what you do with their money?

If I see how hard it is to inform you just to inform that with this money is done nothing and it is just used to fix the prorata...I do not regret not talking about...
it's a startup...and investors who have invested have not waited that you understand...
they have contact me and have asked about what was not clear...
Do not take investors for "idiots"...

It is your assumption that I take your investors for anything. Please if you find someone that understands your system, have them contact me. You keep repeating the same things, there is no reason to do so.

Is what I do with the money so important?

In my opinion (and that of other) it is. I would like to assume that everyone thinks their own money is important enough to at least understand what they spend it on. There is nothing I can do about people that just blindly trust someone, but warn them. This is what your rating is about. Its a warning that you run and promote a complex investment scheme you seem unable to explain in plain english. I think I should probably rephrase the rating to reflect that and link to this thread as it allows those who care to read up on our discussion and make up their own mind.

What is important is that investors invest and are sure to get back their money...with profit.
More is not in the deal.
You trust or you do not trust me.

I dont trust you, in fact I have a strong feeling that you are after coins from other people without a concept (this was only clear after the discussion) only to enrich yourself. Your scheme reeks like ponzi, you fail to address questions and repeat the same bogus stuff over and over again.

Investors are clever enough to investigate about winspiral and they can easily see if it is worth or not to invest and if winspiral is trustable.

If that is true, than my rating did nothing to you or your business. If investors actually understand your system and have researched your system, they should have no problem to cast my opinion aside and invest regardless.

I have started my system and given the possibility to invest at who want...
After if people invest or do not invest does absolutly not matter for me.
All we are now talking about has so few importance because if I would scam people,I could scam people...but why should I now after so long time on the net?
Just for few satoshi?
Do you believe that people will invest 100 bitcoin for just few satoshi dividends?

Scammers gonna scam for the smallest amounts. You dont have a point here.

Have you not understood that if to much is invested for actual dividends it is non-sens and then even if all is given back it is non-sens.

What would be too much for you though?

Why should I invent a ponzi where it is not recommended to invest to much if dividends are low?
Why should I invent a ponzi where I show that the dividend is low?

Once again...
I program systems for the fun...and people invest if they want and if they do not trust they do not invest.
I do not say they have to leave the thread...just not invest.
If they trust me...then just invest if they think that the profit is interesting.
After what i do with their money...I say it and say it again...i do nothing with  it it is just for the dividend dispatching.

If you just want to give away a little, why not create a faucet? Why do ask for money if you dont need it?

My system is not just an investisment system.
It is more a game where you have to decide if it is interesting to invest.
it's not "invest and you get 10% in 100 days"...
No.
You have to decide if for you...and only for you it is interesting to invest for eventually very few dividends or perhaps yes perhaps more.
You play this game or not...
For me even if only one do play...it is enough(i have already explain it)

To be honnest with you:
I had never believed that so much is so fast invested in my system.
I believed that people will first "look" how things will progress.

Good night...it's late here in France (lol)

Good night.

tl;dr Since you dont answer my questions anyway, find someone that can.

Thanks for your interest in my system...even if you disapprove it.

it is endless...it seems you are the only one who does not undertand.
But it is better so (lol)(that it seem you are the only one,not that you do not understand)

I will take your "interrogations" as base for doing a "FAQ" page on my site because here is all spoted every where and it is even more confuse that my own site itself(lol)
And with an french man who cannot perfectly write english an a forum member who does not understand what is wroten it is not easy...
By the way i have  running 2 faucets...why program another one?
But if it can rassure you...my 2 faucets are even more complicated than my invest system...(lol)
Fortunately you have not yet seen them...because ther are even more suspectable to be scams.

[dre1982]

No you shouldn't give those people negative trust.

It's allowed on this forum to create topics about the ponzi. If you don't want to have users promoting it, you should first stop the topics about the ponzi. If you allowed to first, you should accept the second.

Creating a topic about ponzi is different from advertising or promoting ponzi
When we create a topic about ponzi, that is a way for us to discuss what the site is all about.
Topics like this helps educate and warn others that site is ponzi
Unlike a signature, it will say something about the site but not definitely say that site is pozi

A topic is also promotion for the ponzi. Its just made to get people to the website. You're right about the signature doesnt mention its a ponzi, but people can read right. If you see something like 'GET YOUR BTC DOUBLES WITHIN 24 HOURS' there should go some alarm-bells ringing.

[winspiral]

No you shouldn't give those people negative trust.

It's allowed on this forum to create topics about the ponzi. If you don't want to have users promoting it, you should first stop the topics about the ponzi. If you allowed to first, you should accept the second.

Creating a topic about ponzi is different from advertising or promoting ponzi
When we create a topic about ponzi, that is a way for us to discuss what the site is all about.
Topics like this helps educate and warn others that site is ponzi
Unlike a signature, it will say something about the site but not definitely say that site is pozi

A topic is also promotion for the ponzi. Its just made to get people to the website. You're right about the signature doesnt mention its a ponzi, but people can read right. If you see something like 'GET YOUR BTC DOUBLES WITHIN 24 HOURS' there should go some alarm-bells ringing.

even if you see 'GET YOUR BTC DOUBLES WITHIN 1 YEAR'

It is probably a ponzi.