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September 20, 2015, 11:08:41 PM
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The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm

And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test


I found the address 1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm in the github code for btc-inquisitor.

https://github.com/mulllhausen/btc-inquisitor/blob/master/unit_tests.sh

The dev was using it in unit tests. The code says it was the first address to receive funds via a txout of the form OP_DUP OP_HASH160 ..... OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG, and that both the from-transaction and the too-transaction are in block 2812.

If that address really is the first one used in that form of transaction, then I imagine it must have belonged to someone deeply involved in Bitcoin coding and testing early on. It's unlikely someone trying out Bitcoin for kicks would control it as he wouldn't understand technical tricks like that.

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# 1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm - the first address to receive funds via a txout of the form
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 6934efcef36903b5b45ebd1e5f862d1b63a99fa5 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
both the from-transaction and the too-transaction are in block 2812
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September 20, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
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/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.

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September 21, 2015, 12:09:22 AM
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/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
i think he's satoshi trying to hide his cover  Sad
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September 21, 2015, 12:41:36 AM
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1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
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Welcome satoshi!  Smiley

So claiming to just be an early adopter, I don't see the big deal and it doesn't matter if he is lying or not we shouldn't be focusing on other peoples coins.

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September 21, 2015, 12:50:53 AM
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1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
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Welcome satoshi!  Smiley

So claiming to just be an early adopter, I don't see the big deal and it doesn't matter if he is lying or not we shouldn't be focusing on other peoples coins.
He is creating mystery. We are trying to unravel the truth. It is like trying to know your family history or your genetic history. Knowing that you can not probably change anything, but as Einstein once stated...

The most beautiful thing in the world is the mysterious Smiley

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September 21, 2015, 01:04:12 AM
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/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?

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September 21, 2015, 01:10:01 AM
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/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?
He just said this...

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Possibly in slashdot journals, which weren't indexed then (and now?).
Given what I limited myself to online, /. is most likely. Just searched thru email, nothing. Which I found odd. I may have deleted a lot of stuff though back in the dark days when space mattered.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/cv8iml2

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September 21, 2015, 01:34:42 AM
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/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?
He just said this...

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Possibly in slashdot journals, which weren't indexed then (and now?).
Given what I limited myself to online, /. is most likely. Just searched thru email, nothing. Which I found odd. I may have deleted a lot of stuff though back in the dark days when space mattered.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/cv8iml2
Unfortunately I couldn't find any articles from slashdat mentioning Bitcoin that far back. However, it is not unlikely for them to pick up something like this. Bitcoin was first announced with the whitepaper on November 1st 2008 with the first release of Bitcoin in January 09. This guy mined the Bitcoin in February. That means there was an entire 3 months for a story to be written about it and for people to learn about it. Looking back at the logs of the mailing list shows that there was a significant amount of discussion about bitcoin by multiple people even before the initial client release. There could have been multiple people mining Bitcoin soon after its initial release, not just Satoshi and Hal.

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September 21, 2015, 02:02:17 AM
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Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.

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September 21, 2015, 06:06:53 AM
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It's entirely possible that he did discover bitcoin on Slashdot in some comments. I don't think the comments are indexed all the time, don't know how you're searching for them.

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September 21, 2015, 06:15:54 AM
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Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.


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September 21, 2015, 06:20:27 AM
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This is indeed a mystery on who this user is. I'm not entirely sure that /. even mention bitcoin that early (though maybe in the comments? I don't know). If one can actually find a comment nor a post relating to bitcoin in the late 2008 or early 2009 (not after the February 3, of course), we might actually have something to believe in this user's claims on where he first learned about bitcoin.

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September 21, 2015, 06:29:51 AM
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Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.


not many other and anyway they mined a very small sample compared to satoshi

if the second or the third block reward will move you know at 100% that it's satoshi or someone with his wallet that is moving the coins
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September 21, 2015, 06:31:57 AM
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/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?
He just said this...

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Possibly in slashdot journals, which weren't indexed then (and now?).
Given what I limited myself to online, /. is most likely. Just searched thru email, nothing. Which I found odd. I may have deleted a lot of stuff though back in the dark days when space mattered.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/cv8iml2

If I had found out about Bitcoin that early on and started mining it I'd remember exactly where I heard about it. Using your computer to mine involves leaving it running at 100% CPU power for months. Anyone doing that would have to watch the fans screaming at their maximum while it heats up to frightening levels that will obviously damage it in the long run.

That user's claim that he might have heard about it on slashdot, but he's not sure doesn't ring true. He's claiming he decided to trash his computer mining, but he can't remember for certain where he heard about Bitcoin!
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September 21, 2015, 06:49:24 AM
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So  "block chain archaeologist" cossackssontaras on reddit says he's taken a look at these coins being moved:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/



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In the above graph, all blocks from 2800 to 3400 are plotted by extraNonce. Green blocks are /u/btcthwy's blocks, orange blocks are likely to be his but not for certain, and gray blocks are everyone else's blocks.

The solid diagonal lines in the chart are blocks found by Satoshi Nakamoto. The slanted, less solid lines are other early adopters, including Finney and Trammell, but also some unidentified cypherpunks. The noise at the bottom are miners that are coming and going frequently; the people coming to see what the fuss is about, and usually leaving.

The thing is, if you were Satoshi mining all those blocks on the diagonal, wouldn't you occasionally want do tests with other hardware by mining some other blocks.

Looks like whoever it was mined some blocks, left for about 300 blocks, or around 2 days, then came back briefly.


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Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.


not many other and anyway they mined a very small sample compared to satoshi

if the second or the third block reward will move you know at 100% that it's satoshi or someone with his wallet that is moving the coins

Well even if the user received the coins in Feb. 3, 2009, that is still too early for other people to get involved in bitcoin. How many people were mining back then, we don't know. We only assume that the first 1m coins were from Satoshi and no one else. Hal Finney might also have a share of that, given that he s the first person to receive coins via a transaction. From that point on, we are clueless on who this user is. He/she might be Satoshi, Hal's relatives or someone in Satoshi's closest circles.

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September 21, 2015, 09:36:52 AM
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Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.

Yes this is true. But the thing is that the users were very limited. You could count them on the fingers of two hands probably.

This is still very curious to me. I am sure there are people there who are already doing analysis and we will know much more in the next few days.
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September 21, 2015, 12:38:17 PM
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I have to admit that this is way more interesting than reading a crime novel. Although I can not really believe that this guy might be Satoshi, fact is he is one earliest adopters. At that time maybe 10-20 people did know about Bitcoin and were mining I would guess.

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September 21, 2015, 02:38:36 PM
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The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm

And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test


1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm is definitely Hal Finney's address, it is famous as the first address that received BTC, Satoshi sent some BTC to Finney for testing.

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Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

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