Ponzi's

[winspiral]

So now show me proof it is not a ponzi scheme? If you have trouble with doing it in public, u can send me a personal message with the proof, and a foto is not a valid proof, u can just take a picture of the internet...Show a video of your "miners".

If u really have miners u should make it public so u get more investemnts, than people think it is a ponzi...

I cannot prove it yet because i will only get the miner saturday...and the cloud mining site is even not coded...

[FruitsBasket]

So now show me proof it is not a ponzi scheme? If you have trouble with doing it in public, u can send me a personal message with the proof, and a foto is not a valid proof, u can just take a picture of the internet...Show a video of your "miners".

If u really have miners u should make it public so u get more investemnts, than people think it is a ponzi...

I cannot prove it yet because i will only get the miner saturday...and the cloud mining site is even not coded...

Yes, but u said u have a website: "Bitcoin.winspiral.net" that has a "game"  where  u can give people free money.. wonder how you do that, paying with other people their investment? Out of your own pocket?

[winspiral]

So now show me proof it is not a ponzi scheme? If you have trouble with doing it in public, u can send me a personal message with the proof, and a foto is not a valid proof, u can just take a picture of the internet...Show a video of your "miners".

If u really have miners u should make it public so u get more investemnts, than people think it is a ponzi...

I cannot prove it yet because i will only get the miner saturday...and the cloud mining site is even not coded...

Yes, but u said u have a website: "Bitcoin.winspiral.net" that has a "game"  where  u can give people free money.. wonder how you do that, paying with other people their investment? Out of your own pocket?

I have already several times talked about ...the profit comes from sponsoring.

[FruitsBasket]

So now show me proof it is not a ponzi scheme? If you have trouble with doing it in public, u can send me a personal message with the proof, and a foto is not a valid proof, u can just take a picture of the internet...Show a video of your "miners".

If u really have miners u should make it public so u get more investemnts, than people think it is a ponzi...

I cannot prove it yet because i will only get the miner saturday...and the cloud mining site is even not coded...

Yes, but u said u have a website: "Bitcoin.winspiral.net" that has a "game"  where  u can give people free money.. wonder how you do that, paying with other people their investment? Out of your own pocket?

I have already several times talked about ...the profit comes from sponsoring.

Okay, fine... But in general all ponzi's/investment games will end into a scam, like Bidybit is a ponzi. It has one general address where all deposit come and all withdraws are getting from, so that is 99% sure a ponzi. Only way that that is not a ponzi is that the owner needs to fund the address, what he did not do, so...

[winspiral]

So now show me proof it is not a ponzi scheme? If you have trouble with doing it in public, u can send me a personal message with the proof, and a foto is not a valid proof, u can just take a picture of the internet...Show a video of your "miners".

If u really have miners u should make it public so u get more investemnts, than people think it is a ponzi...

I cannot prove it yet because i will only get the miner saturday...and the cloud mining site is even not coded...

Yes, but u said u have a website: "Bitcoin.winspiral.net" that has a "game"  where  u can give people free money.. wonder how you do that, paying with other people their investment? Out of your own pocket?

I have already several times talked about ...the profit comes from sponsoring.

Okay, fine... But in general all ponzi's/investment games will end into a scam, like Bidybit is a ponzi. It has one general address where all deposit come and all withdraws are getting from, so that is 99% sure a ponzi. Only way that that is not a ponzi is that the owner needs to fund the address, what he did not do, so...

What funny is is that for exemple  i have 2 sites:
one is a faucet...al is ok... no problem.
the other is an investment site...all is NOK
why should be the faucet site be ok and the investment  site be a scam?

Sommetimes i have difficulties to understand people.

If I send money to faucet users all is clean
If i send money to investors than i'm a scammer.
Do you find this not strange?

[FruitsBasket]

So now show me proof it is not a ponzi scheme? If you have trouble with doing it in public, u can send me a personal message with the proof, and a foto is not a valid proof, u can just take a picture of the internet...Show a video of your "miners".

If u really have miners u should make it public so u get more investemnts, than people think it is a ponzi...

I cannot prove it yet because i will only get the miner saturday...and the cloud mining site is even not coded...

Yes, but u said u have a website: "Bitcoin.winspiral.net" that has a "game"  where  u can give people free money.. wonder how you do that, paying with other people their investment? Out of your own pocket?

I have already several times talked about ...the profit comes from sponsoring.

Okay, fine... But in general all ponzi's/investment games will end into a scam, like Bidybit is a ponzi. It has one general address where all deposit come and all withdraws are getting from, so that is 99% sure a ponzi. Only way that that is not a ponzi is that the owner needs to fund the address, what he did not do, so...

What funny is is that for exemple  i have 2 sites:
one is a faucet...al is ok... no problem.
the other is an investment site...all is NOK
why should be the faucet site be ok and the investment  site be a scam?

Sommetimes i have difficulties to understand people.

If I send money to faucet users all is clean
If i send money to investors than i'm a scammer.
Do you find this not strange?

It is pretty logical, a faucet does not require people to invest momey in it and risking your money, but a ponzi is the opposite and you risk your money. It depends on the ponzi owner when it goes scam. I have never seen a ponzi for longer than a year, so I don't see that it isn't a scam.

[winspiral]

It is pretty logical, a faucet does not require people to invest momey in it and risking your money, but a ponzi is the opposite and you risk your money. It depends on the ponzi owner when it goes scam. I have never seen a ponzi for longer than a year, so I don't see that it isn't a scam.

you are right.
But.
So if I understand well...if one has to send money,then it is a ponzi?
you are a little bit short with your argument.

[FruitsBasket]

It is pretty logical, a faucet does not require people to invest momey in it and risking your money, but a ponzi is the opposite and you risk your money. It depends on the ponzi owner when it goes scam. I have never seen a ponzi for longer than a year, so I don't see that it isn't a scam.

you are right.
But.
So if I understand well...if one has to send money,then it is a ponzi?
you are a little bit short with your argument.

No, you send money and expect a higher return without doing domething for it, that is what i call a scam, and sure the first few people get paid(a few dollars) then big money comes in and then the owners are gone. Then here a few noobs gonna cry about their money. So be careful when investing into something!

[winspiral]

It is pretty logical, a faucet does not require people to invest momey in it and risking your money, but a ponzi is the opposite and you risk your money. It depends on the ponzi owner when it goes scam. I have never seen a ponzi for longer than a year, so I don't see that it isn't a scam.

you are right.
But.
So if I understand well...if one has to send money,then it is a ponzi?
you are a little bit short with your argument.

No, you send money and expect a higher return without doing domething for it, that is what i call a scam, and sure the first few people get paid(a few dollars) then big money comes in and then the owners are gone. Then here a few noobs gonna cry about their money. So be careful when investing into something!

you see my investment system so?
you believe that if investors have nothing to do then it is a ponzi?

[klf]

The major problem with ponzis It is impossible to know when they will fail and you will have absolutely nowhere to turn for help/support.

[sirmafia]

What is gambling if i may ask?... Its like a lotto, you know chances are 1 in a zillion to win the jackpot but you still play.. There is one rule i follow with Ponzi's 'dont invest what you cant afford to lose'..

[cjrosero]

The major problem with ponzis It is impossible to know when they will fail and you will have absolutely nowhere to turn for help/support.

Yes that is true, that is why you should research on things first when investing. also dont invest anything if your afraid to lose it. ponzi its like playing dice the difference is it is long term

[StevenLiang]

So now show me proof it is not a ponzi scheme? If you have trouble with doing it in public, u can send me a personal message with the proof, and a foto is not a valid proof, u can just take a picture of the internet...Show a video of your "miners".

If u really have miners u should make it public so u get more investemnts, than people think it is a ponzi...

I cannot prove it yet because i will only get the miner saturday...and the cloud mining site is even not coded...

Yes, but u said u have a website: "Bitcoin.winspiral.net" that has a "game"  where  u can give people free money.. wonder how you do that, paying with other people their investment? Out of your own pocket?

I have already several times talked about ...the profit comes from sponsoring.

Okay, fine... But in general all ponzi's/investment games will end into a scam, like Bidybit is a ponzi. It has one general address where all deposit come and all withdraws are getting from, so that is 99% sure a ponzi. Only way that that is not a ponzi is that the owner needs to fund the address, what he did not do, so...

What funny is is that for exemple  i have 2 sites:
one is a faucet...al is ok... no problem.
the other is an investment site...all is NOK
why should be the faucet site be ok and the investment  site be a scam?

Sommetimes i have difficulties to understand people.

If I send money to faucet users all is clean
If i send money to investors than i'm a scammer.
Do you find this not strange?

It is pretty logical, a faucet does not require people to invest momey in it and risking your money, but a ponzi is the opposite and you risk your money. It depends on the ponzi owner when it goes scam. I have never seen a ponzi for longer than a year, so I don't see that it isn't a scam.

@winspiral

What did you mean from your statement, "the other is an investment site...all is NOK".
Even yourself agreed that your investment site is NOK.

All ponzi and investment games sites is NOK. Because the owner can run everytime they feel NOK.
Bad people who try to scam others is NOK.

[winspiral]

@winspiral

What did you mean from your statement, "the other is an investment site...all is NOK".
Even yourself agreed that your investment site is NOK.

All ponzi and investment games sites is NOK. Because the owner can run everytime they feel NOK.
Bad people who try to scam others is NOK.

I have never agreed that my investment site is nok.
I have just talk about what people believe.

I now that my investment site is OK...If people belive that all investment sites are NOK it's their opinion...they are wrong because if my investment site is not a ponzi then all are not NOK.

That the owner can run away,this is possible with every site.
What is hurting me?
that people say all investment sites are ponzi...
this hurts me because this means I'm a scammer.

But I'm solid (lol)
I'm patient too and in few months You will see that i'm not a scammer and that my site will be an interesting investment game where every body can play in trust.

If you depose money in a casino...you can as well be scammed and we know all that all casinos are not scammers.

 

[supermoney]

There's people claiming it's not possible to get out of Ponzi schemes in profit because someone can set up a site for ten bucks and scam all... Well, screw you we are not idiots  
When you want to deposit your funds in a doubler or HYIP (same scheme, different concept - most of the times) you must be SELECTIVE!
Usually I only invest in programs with huge investment from admin side or in unique programs where admin's investment is not very relevant. Did you know that there are lots of old HYIP enthusiasts/players/gamblers making nice monthly profits out of them?
Who fucking cares about being greedy, this is an extra income (rarely a making living off as well).

By the way, HYIPs always lie in order to attract the unsuspecting investors, aka the stupid ones, who are needed to pay the first investors (usually the expert ones who know how the shit in question works), get it now? It's a game based on fishing stupid poor people, sad to say but that's it. Ponzi schemes always existed, since ancient times and since the birth of internet (Ponzi scheme 2.0 aka HYIP).

Have fun and take care guys  

[StevenLiang]

@winspiral

What did you mean from your statement, "the other is an investment site...all is NOK".
Even yourself agreed that your investment site is NOK.

All ponzi and investment games sites is NOK. Because the owner can run everytime they feel NOK.
Bad people who try to scam others is NOK.

I have never agreed that my investment site is nok.
I have just talk about what people believe.

I now that my investment site is OK...If people belive that all investment sites are NOK it's their opinion...they are wrong because if my investment site is not a ponzi then all are not NOK.

That the owner can run away,this is possible with every site.
What is hurting me?
that people say all investment sites are ponzi...
this hurts me because this means I'm a scammer.

But I'm solid (lol)
I'm patient too and in few months You will see that i'm not a scammer and that my site will be an interesting investment game where every body can play in trust.

If you depose money in a casino...you can as well be scammed and we know all that all casinos are not scammers.

Casino is not ponzi, and all players know they could lose all their bet when do gamble.

The different is, in gambling the casino owners make a game for people to play. They're not make a lie statement that they will give your money back.

And on ponzi, the owner of the sites always say they are honest and not a scammer. This is your problem.

[Hellacopter]

ponzi's schems have always the same end : turning into scam as soon as possible, and then running away with the investments of ppl. So we should always take care and think twice before giving this scammers our money.

[neochiny]

I am seeing that many people still invest in ponzi schemes while they know that it will turn out in a scam sooner or later. Owner of the ponzi will walk away with the money and then people here will be crying because it has gone scam. If people know this, for godsake why they still invest in shit like "btcdoubler", "100% profit in 7 days". Do not believe in this please, use your brains, that is why u got em!

well in my opinion..
there are still lots of ponzi's and new ponzi that are up.
and bitcoin users "yeah" they knew that it was ponzi.
but because its new. they know that they can earn to it
on the first time. then no need to invest more.
the late comer in almost all ponzi sites are the losers.
they do still invest even they know that every satoshi they earn..
somebody losee more to it... its because of greediness..
wellii just hope that all those people dont get their bad karma's.

[multicryptos]

We should be able to differentiate ponzi-schemes form investor-based games.

I think it is possible to have investor-based games that are fair and safe for people to play. From my point of view, investor-based games are gambling sites like casino, dice or lottery, but instead of luck or "randomness" as main factor to choose a winner, in investor based-games, the choices and strategies of players determine the outcome of the game. I think COINSRISE is a good example of what I am trying to explain (see my signature)

[Ryze]

most people throw every logic out of the window when they see a return of a ponzi.

some know when to get out, but whey even bother to try.. lol