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September 24, 2015, 02:59:16 AM
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Hello, Im new and still trying to understand bitcoin mining I have done some research and have a few questions that im sure can easily be answered by directing me to a post or a website. So first I wanted to ask can I mine with my current pc while I use it for school browsing the web and light gaming.
I also wanted to ask if there are any cheap rigs that I could possibly buy and profit off of?
Another thing I wanted to as is if I could possibly mine on my current computer (Specs below) how much would I make weekly Im not looking for a high number at all but if it were possible how much would I make?

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FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor
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500w PSU
1TB Hard Drive
If there is anything else about my build you would like to know just ask.

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September 24, 2015, 03:06:48 AM
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Mining is done by machines called asics at this point.   Computers no longer are used or really good for mining.  You can do it... just will lose money.

To be competitive in asic mining you need cheap electricity.  Do you know your electricity cost?
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September 24, 2015, 03:08:47 AM
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Mining is done by machines called asics at this point.   Computers no longer are used or really good for mining.  You can do it... just will lose money.

To be competitive in asic mining you need cheap electricity.  Do you know your electricity cost?

No I don't
I was reading about asic miners? If I am saying correctly would it be possible to buy like a usb asic miner? and potentially profit off of those
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September 24, 2015, 03:10:55 AM
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Mining is done by machines called asics at this point.   Computers no longer are used or really good for mining.  You can do it... just will lose money.

To be competitive in asic mining you need cheap electricity.  Do you know your electricity cost?

No I don't

To enter the mining game you will need to know this.  You can get it off your monthly bill.

Just make sure to include taxes or fees when figuring it out.  Sometimes they are listed separate but still part of bill.
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September 24, 2015, 03:14:36 AM
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Your computer might cut it to mine an alt coin that you can exchange for Bitcoin. You'd need to check the altcoin section for that. There's a lot of info to wade through.

It's several years too late to use it for Bitcoin mining. It's moved on and the mining machines now are light years ahead.

There are dedicated Bitcoin miners for sale regularly on here. It's debatable whether you'd make the money you paid for it back from the coins it mines. Things move very quickly and there are giant outfits that do it professionally.
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September 24, 2015, 03:15:53 AM
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Mining is done by machines called asics at this point.   Computers no longer are used or really good for mining.  You can do it... just will lose money.

To be competitive in asic mining you need cheap electricity.  Do you know your electricity cost?

No I don't

To enter the mining game you will need to know this.  You can get it off your monthly bill.

Just make sure to include taxes or fees when figuring it out.  Sometimes they are listed separate but still part of bill.

Alright when I figure out the price of my electricity bill I will get back to you.
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September 24, 2015, 03:25:55 AM
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you should check out http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency it has all the usefull information that you will need in order to decide what to mine and also it helps you calculate the profitability of any coin that you choose with your hashrate.

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September 24, 2015, 06:48:58 AM
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You will get barely anything with that. Best case maybe $0.20/day before electricity costs.

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September 24, 2015, 07:00:56 AM
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not worth it ever with the best altcoin out there, you have two option leave the mining scene or buy the s7 if your electricity isn't very good and i would recommend to buy it anyway

it's the most efficient miner, but its initial cost may be a problem
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September 24, 2015, 07:03:21 AM
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You will get barely anything with that. Best case maybe $0.20/day before electricity costs.

You math is off. With PC graphics card you won't even earn $0.20/month before electricity costs, which will cost something like $25/month.

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September 24, 2015, 10:04:27 AM
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my suggestion is dont think of mining bitcoin if you dont have enough capital to buy a miner to start with, if your choice is only your computer then just forget about bitcoin mining or you wont get any profit from it but if you really want to try mining you can mine altcoins that you think have its potential

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September 24, 2015, 10:25:11 AM
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Mining is done by machines called asics at this point.   Computers no longer are used or really good for mining.  You can do it... just will lose money.

To be competitive in asic mining you need cheap electricity.  Do you know your electricity cost?

No I don't
I was reading about asic miners? If I am saying correctly would it be possible to buy like a usb asic miner? and potentially profit off of those
No. USB ASIC Miners are vastly inefficient as the USB port cannot supply too much power to it. If the host machine is a raspberry pi, it would still take more than the profit earned. I would recommend getting AntMiner S3 as it is quite popular or S7 if you don't want monstrous electrical bill.

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September 24, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
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At absolute best, I doubt you'd get more than 490 megahash per second with that card.

At current difficulty (59335351233.9), if you can get lucky enough to actually finish any shares before a block is solved, you *might* be able to earn 0.00013 BTC per month.  At an exchange rate of $230/BTC, that works out to about $0.0299 per month.

Of course, there is no guarantee that the difficulty will stay the same for the next century.  The difficulty is adjusted every 2 weeks so most likely you'll earn a lot less than that over time.

Meanwhile, the additional electricity that your computer will be using to run all that hashpower will probably cost you a lot more than that.

If the 500w PSU was actually pulling a full 500w continuously every second 24 hours a day for 30 days and doing nothing else other than bitcoin mining the whole time, then you would be using about 360 kilowatt hours per month.  If your electricity costs (including all taxes and fees) works out to about $0.11 per kilowatt hour, then generating that $0.0299 per month will cost you about $39.60 per month.

As for a USB ASIC miner (or any other ASIC), there are a lot of variables that go into figuring out how much you can make with mining.  You can control some of those variables, but some are completely out of your control. It will really depend on things like:

  • How good of a miner you buy
  • How much you spend on the miner
  • How much your electricity costs per kilowatt hour (including all taxes and fees)
  • How much additional cooling your equipment needs
  • Which mining pool you choose to join
  • How much maintenance your system needs
  • How much the mining difficulty changes in the future
  • What the bitcoin exchange rate is in the future


Edit:  Updated my estimate of hashes per second for the graphics card based on feedback from odolvlobo.
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September 24, 2015, 12:46:40 PM
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Mining is done by machines called asics at this point.   Computers no longer are used or really good for mining.  You can do it... just will lose money.

To be competitive in asic mining you need cheap electricity.  Do you know your electricity cost?

No I don't
I was reading about asic miners? If I am saying correctly would it be possible to buy like a usb asic miner? and potentially profit off of those
No. USB ASIC Miners are vastly inefficient as the USB port cannot supply too much power to it. If the host machine is a raspberry pi, it would still take more than the profit earned. I would recommend getting AntMiner S3 as it is quite popular or S7 if you don't want monstrous electrical bill.

USB miners are more for learning.   They are not really miners for ROI as price per GHs is so high.    But you can run more then host machine's power, that is why they have powered hubs.

Biggest thing for OP is he needs to find out electricity costs.
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September 24, 2015, 03:21:54 PM
Last edit: September 24, 2015, 03:32:24 PM by odolvlobo
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You math is off. With PC graphics card you won't even earn $0.20/month before electricity costs

Is my math off, or is yours?  When I calculated it, I found that he wouldn't even make $0.20/century

Perhaps I've mis-estimated the number of hashes per second that are likely?  Is there any reason to believe that the R9 270X graphics card can handle more than 490 kilohash per second?

Perhaps you meant 490 megahash per second. Even a CPU does 20 MH/s. I assume you got the number off the LTC mining hardware page, but SHA-256 mining is typically 1000 times faster than scrypt mining.

490 MH/s currently mines about 0.00014 BTC per month, currently worth about $0.03.

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September 24, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
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Is my math off, or is yours?  When I calculated it, I found that he wouldn't even make $0.20/century

Perhaps I've mis-estimated the number of hashes per second that are likely?  Is there any reason to believe that the R9 270X graphics card can handle more than 490 kilohash per second?

Perhaps you meant 490 megahash per second. Even a CPU does 20 MH/s. I assume you got the number off the LTC mining hardware page, but SHA-256 mining is typically 1000 times faster than scrypt mining.

Thanks.  I just quickly googled the hash rate of a R9 270X graphics card and didn't notice the fact that it was a litecoin site.  I've fixed my post.
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September 24, 2015, 07:40:12 PM
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As of right now from what I gathered(I just asked a question like this in the mining forums)  It is not very easy to profit from mining.  You need cheap electricity and most countries don't have a viable option for this at the moment.  The ROI is very risky depending on the cost of your electricity + the raise in difficulty plus the cost of the mining gear.
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September 25, 2015, 06:32:19 AM
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https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency

Like guys above me said, you need a asic(mining hardware) to mining bitcoin and of course with a lot hash, cheap electric bills or even free electric bills.
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September 25, 2015, 07:07:16 AM
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You math is off. With PC graphics card you won't even earn $0.20/month before electricity costs

Is my math off, or is yours?  When I calculated it, I found that he wouldn't even make $0.20/century

Perhaps I've mis-estimated the number of hashes per second that are likely?  Is there any reason to believe that the R9 270X graphics card can handle more than 490 kilohash per second?

Perhaps you meant 490 megahash per second. Even a CPU does 20 MH/s. I assume you got the number off the LTC mining hardware page, but SHA-256 mining is typically 1000 times faster than scrypt mining.

490 MH/s currently mines about 0.00014 BTC per month, currently worth about $0.03.


if you use a right minner software, like the modified version of Wolfo, i'm sure you can get more hash per sec, but it would be probably, not true for sha256, because no one is bothering anymore with it

there is still some little pfoti to be made with other algo and gpu, maybe with the new readon series x390 etc...
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September 25, 2015, 07:17:33 AM
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Woah there mate! CPU and GPU mining had become obsolete since last 2 years. Though your pc specs is pretty decent in terms of gaming, in the mining scene it would be peanuts compared to ASICs and other dedicated mining equipment. My advice if you want to earn from mining, try mining other altcoins and change to btc instead. Mining btc with a pc is not feasible as it will only cost you more money and might decrease the lifetime of your hardware.
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