I may be moving to this town

[jlauzon]

I have to call these guys to see what I'm looking at for fees & taxes under Plan 1 (below). Whatever this "PPAC" sort of leaves this a mystery right now. Thoughts?

http://www.massenaelectric.com/businesscustomer/nonresidentialrates.htm


Commercial without Demand   
(small general service - Demand under 7kW)   

Customer Charge   $5.00   
Energy Charge ($/kWh)$   0.04309   
Purchased Power Adjustment Charge (PPAC)   fluctuates   
Sales Tax   7.25%

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[notlist3d]

What I really wish is we could get some of the miners together and find a place with cheap electricity.   If a group went together and put together a low priced asic data center.   No middle man on paying extra for hosting. 

I know I would love to be apart of some type of project like that.   I'm honestly surprised it has not happened yet (that I know of)

[QuintLeo]

I suspect there are quite a few "miners" that have moved to Washington in the last couple of years....

[notlist3d]

I suspect there are quite a few "miners" that have moved to Washington in the last couple of years....

I think most are talk on this.  They talk about it, and it does not happen.   

But if a group came together to do a cheap data center I think it would work out pretty good.  But hard to get that many interested in a project.

[GreatNorthData]

I suspect there are quite a few "miners" that have moved to Washington in the last couple of years....

I think most are talk on this.  They talk about it, and it does not happen.   

But if a group came together to do a cheap data center I think it would work out pretty good.  But hard to get that many interested in a project.

Well its complicated, you have to raise the funds, supervise construction and then have someone on site. 10TH doesn't need someone there 24/7 for maintenance but 500TH definitely does. Machines will fail and parts will need to be installed/RMA'd. I think a lot of people don't get passed the planning phase because of the sheer cost and complexity of the whole operation. Most people at the start of planning don't think to locate a nearby apartment or build one into their DC.

A co-op might work, but it would probably just be a "corporation" by the time you figure the rest out.

That all being said, when we started advertising to the public earlier this year the typical hosting cost was $90/kW, which we undercut significantly, and I think our rates have pulled most of the competition down towards our $60/kW. Give us another few months and we'll lower the floor again.

[notlist3d]

I suspect there are quite a few "miners" that have moved to Washington in the last couple of years....

I think most are talk on this.  They talk about it, and it does not happen.   

But if a group came together to do a cheap data center I think it would work out pretty good.  But hard to get that many interested in a project.

Well its complicated, you have to raise the funds, supervise construction and then have someone on site. 10TH doesn't need someone there 24/7 for maintenance but 500TH definitely does. Machines will fail and parts will need to be installed/RMA'd. I think a lot of people don't get passed the planning phase because of the sheer cost and complexity of the whole operation. Most people at the start of planning don't think to locate a nearby apartment or build one into their DC.

A co-op might work, but it would probably just be a "corporation" by the time you figure the rest out.

That all being said, when we started advertising to the public earlier this year the typical hosting cost was $90/kW, which we undercut significantly, and I think our rates have pulled most of the competition down towards our $60/kW. Give us another few months and we'll lower the floor again.

I think it is still possible to work if the right people did  it.    Will it happen... i don't know.  Hard to get that initial group to front money. 

What is your lower floor in a few months?  That would be interesting to know.

[GreatNorthData]

I think it is still possible to work if the right people did  it.    Will it happen... i don't know.  Hard to get that initial group to front money. 

What is your lower floor in a few months?  That would be interesting to know.

Hard to say, market factors will dictate. But everyone in this business knows that hosting cost is in a long term race to the bottom. I'd be shocked if we weren't at least down to $50/kw as our headline rate by summer 2016.

[MCHouston]

Under 7KW is nothing.  You will go over that plan with ease especially if this is also where you live.

I have about 68KW of miners at my house and I typically spike the power to 82KW.

I would plan on a 20KW to 100KW plan and if you can not get to 20KW rent some power out to host miners.

[mavericklm]

Why not Labrador, Canada?

[jlauzon]

Under 7KW is nothing.  You will go over that plan with ease especially if this is also where you live.

I have about 68KW of miners at my house and I typically spike the power to 82KW.

I would plan on a 20KW to 100KW plan and if you can not get to 20KW rent some power out to host miners.

I had no illusions of grandeur with that kind of plan. Just a couple of newer miners if/when they make sense. The link has the larger commercial/industrial rates though.

[notlist3d]

Under 7KW is nothing.  You will go over that plan with ease especially if this is also where you live.

I have about 68KW of miners at my house and I typically spike the power to 82KW.

I would plan on a 20KW to 100KW plan and if you can not get to 20KW rent some power out to host miners.

I had no illusions of grandeur with that kind of plan. Just a couple of newer miners if/when they make sense. The link has the larger commercial/industrial rates though.

I think it will take the trust of some of the older members.  I still think it can be done, just have not seen a good coordination of it.

But a miner co-op could really work if anyone launches one.  I still hope to see one someday.

[QuintLeo]

Why not Labrador, Canada?

 There's life in Labrador?

 8-P


Washington

I think most are talk on this.  They talk about it, and it does not happen. 

 Probably so - I'm still talk for now, but do have serious plans for next summer.
 Had tentative plans for November timeframe, but the finances aren't comming together as well as I hoped.
 I also suspect that many of the folks that HAVE moved just aren't talking about it, or aren't active on bitcointalk.
 I HAVE noticed a few "looking for site" ads on the applicable Craigslist, and note that they don't seem to last long - but ONLY a few of them.

Most people at the start of planning don't think to locate a nearby apartment or build one into their DC.


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 I ran my own business for about 10 years, most of that time I had a small "apartment" area in the back of the "shop". Nothing new there for me.