why you should really consider VNL.

[bigfryguy]

Prenote: later in this thread certain things come to light,  all these misunderstandings are nothing more than FUD and misunderstandings.

There has been a lot of discussion about VNL and John-Conner Lately, most of it surrounding his lack of aknowledgement of towards his deciphering of bitcoin code.
all this discussion has been a distraction.

I will agree with the distraction in this way, John-Conner probably should have made some sort of aknowledgement about the fact that he used the Bitcoin/Peercoin code to rewrite his own version of what cryptocurrency should be.  I will disagree with it this way, there is no legal body that can take John to task for doing this.  John did rewrite it in entirety this is not a Fork, or a clone, and although similar it is not the same.  half of the people fighting John support coins that are nothing more than Forks of other project, and I will take a rewrite that allows growth and understanding into development over a simple fork anyday.

but lets face it all this argument is nothing more than a distraction.

John did not copy the code in order to make another crap shit scam forked project.

What he did is take an outdated system, and completely retype it so that it could do what modern cryptocoins need to do.
What is left of the old code is the bread and butter of how addresses work, but what he added to it is nothing short of miraculous.

He has made a project that allows us to trade coins instantly.

Hell after that there are a bunch of other changes to the code that make all the flaws of the bitcoin protocal obsolete.

I actually dont care if you want to join the project, I am still accumulating, but dont be so easilly distracted as to rule VNL out.
everything you want in a cryptoproject is here, is you want to learn the truth just head to https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#Vanillacoin
there are so many technically minded helpful people here that it will blow your mind.


I have been around a long time, and have been through almost every major breakthrough project, as well as some scams, and I have never seen a more open and resourcefull team of crypto experts!!!

In the end its your decision, but if there is one project out there that can surpass bitcoin on its merits as a currency alone it is VNL.

[iCEBREAKER]

Stealing code is not acceptable.  Denying the theft is even worse.

Define "uses". There's certainly structural similarities:

https://github.com/john-connor/vanillacoin/blob/master/src/key.cpp vs
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.9/src/key.cpp#L16

Thanks for that.

Adding “#L34” to the vnl URI nails it for me:

Code:

{code}

That's a lot more than just a structural similarity.

It’s hard for me to see this as anything other than incontrovertible evidence of the author having a naively self-centred perspective on intellectual property rights, broadly translatable as “what’s yours is mine and what’s mine’s my own”.

More tellingly, it's also hard to reconcile this evident difficulty in critical thinking with any kind of work in the area of cryptography, notorious for its relentlessly stern demands of cognitive sophistication in its proponents.

Stand back a few yards and the picture becomes somewhat clearer. I've not even bothered looking at vnl, being confident that it’s just another variant of the “misunderstood but brilliant maverick outsider, wronged by a complacent community” media narrative and all the posturing is entirely consistent, even the expedient arrogation of others’ work. Given the evidence in the codebase, I'm reassured that my confidence is not misplaced, although I do have to admit that his choice of pseudonym is a bit of a give-away in and of itself.

[bigfryguy]

didnt completely disagree wtih you, just nullified your agument. maybe try doing something besides cut/pasting

[bigfryguy]

oh Icebreaker

looking at your profile words!!

"Crypto is the separation of Power and State".

why dont you worry about Power a little more and State a little less?

[Andrelvogue]

Well if you say so I will consider VNL. But this is a nice information. Thank you for sharing.

[monsterer]

He has made a project that allows us to trade coins instantly.

Like dash did months before, you mean?

edit: and by 'did' I do not imply fitness for purpose of either instant-x or zerotime.

[majoh]

He has made a project that allows us to trade coins instantly.

Like dash did months before, you mean?

edit: and by 'did' I do not imply fitness for purpose of either instant-x or zerotime.

You mean, instamined Darkcoin?

[bigfryguy]

I like dash/dark really I do,
 but quasi instant transfers through masternodes is too centralized,
 as well as not being instant.
 zerotime  takes less than a second.  
and is completely decentralized.

I agree though Dark/Dash as a method of inconspicuous quick Dark trade is pretty awesome as well

[john-connor]

Stealing code is not acceptable.  Denying the theft is even worse.

Smooth aka iCEBREAKER: This code is from the OpenSSL project from ecdhtest.c:

Code:

static EC_KEY *mk_eckey(int nid, const unsigned char *p, size_t plen)
{
    int ok = 0;
    EC_KEY *k = NULL;
    BIGNUM *priv = NULL;
    EC_POINT *pub = NULL;
    const EC_GROUP *grp;
    k = EC_KEY_new_by_curve_name(nid);
    if (!k)
        goto err;
    priv = BN_bin2bn(p, plen, NULL);
    if (!priv)
        goto err;
    if (!EC_KEY_set_private_key(k, priv))
        goto err;
    grp = EC_KEY_get0_group(k);
    pub = EC_POINT_new(grp);
    if (!pub)
        goto err;
    if (!EC_POINT_mul(grp, pub, priv, NULL, NULL, NULL))
        goto err;
    if (!EC_KEY_set_public_key(k, pub))
        goto err;
    ok = 1;
 err:
    if (priv)
        BN_clear_free(priv);
    if (pub)
        EC_POINT_free(pub);
    if (ok)
        return k;
    else if (k)
        EC_KEY_free(k);
    return NULL;
}

I agree, Bitcoin should not steal.

Thank you for your support.

[bigfryguy]

lol owned


fuck Icebreaker you should really do more research about shit before you post about it!!!

btw John is part of OpenSSL .... 

[monsterer]

I like dash/dark really I do,
 but quasi instant transfers through masternodes is too centralized,
 as well as not being instant.
 zerotime  takes less than a second.  
and is completely decentralized.

I agree though Dark/Dash as a method of inconspicuous quick Dark trade is pretty awesome as well

Instant-x works at 0 confirmations exactly like zerotime. Neither technique is safe, however - if they were why wouldn't both entire chains just use this technique instead of POW or POS to form a consensus?

[63296310]

 Time will prove that VNL is feasible,

[john-connor]

I like dash/dark really I do,
 but quasi instant transfers through masternodes is too centralized,
 as well as not being instant.
 zerotime  takes less than a second.  
and is completely decentralized.

I agree though Dark/Dash as a method of inconspicuous quick Dark trade is pretty awesome as well

Instant-x works at 0 confirmations exactly like zerotime. Neither technique is safe, however - if they were why wouldn't both entire chains just use this technique instead of POW or POS to form a consensus?

You can prove ZeroTime is not safe but anything less means exactly that.

Thank you for your support.

[63296310]

Time will prove that VNL is feasible,  
 Classic cars and sports cars, I will choose car = VNL investment

[john-connor]

lol owned


fuck Icebreaker you should really do more research about shit before you post about it!!!

btw John is part of OpenSSL ....  

Yes, Bitcoin stole code and then tried to claim the stolen code was stolen.

Thank you for your support.

[bigfryguy]

well I think it was GMaxwell trying to claim that you stole the code from bitcoin, forgetting that bitcoin stole the code from openssl...

oh what a tangled web he weaves, when first he practiced to deceive.


looks like Smooth and Icebreakers are just pawns who know to little for their own good.

[monsterer]

You can prove ZeroTime is not safe but anything less means exactly that, nothing.

Thank you for your support.

It's a shame that you don't have time to explain why zero time is resilient to all the various different attack vectors. I'm sure your crowd of followers would appreciate it.  

edit: the white paper is insufficient

[bigfryguy]

You can prove ZeroTime is not safe but anything less means exactly that, nothing.

Thank you for your support.

It's a shame that you don't have time to explain why zero time is resilient to all the various different attack vectors. I'm sure your crowd of followers would appreciate it.  

it has been explained to death, though I have to admit I only understtod about half of it, start a new thread about it, lets discuss it

[smooth]

lol owned


fuck Icebreaker you should really do more research about shit before you post about it!!!

btw John is part of OpenSSL ....  

Yes, Bitcoin stole code and then tried to claim the stolen code was stolen.

False. The OpenSSL attribution is retained in the Bitcoin distribution.

This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit.

Where is the attribution in vanilla coin along with your retraction of the false claim that vanillacoin was written entirely from scratch?

Whether the code was originally from Bitcoin or OpenSSL, you have now admitted that your marketing claim about vanillacoin was false.

In any case the code in VNL is structurally much more similar to the version in Bitcoin and was obviously copied from that one, not the OpenSSL variant (which is also a reasonable inference since there are other sections of Bitcoin code which are obviously copied/renamed and don't come from OpenSSL).

[YAdaminer]

... VNL is structurally much more similar to the version in Bitcoin and was obviously copied from that one

So decide already, is VNL code similar or is it copy/pasted stolen and prove that if you can.
John wrote VNL code entirely from scratch.