Is there any real difference in Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?

[tokeweed]

I think the answer will depend more on the success of Ethereum in the future.  It will all depend on Buterin himself now.  Stick to the project and make it a success with ETH going up and staying up or the project failing will probably satisfy lots of people from both sides of the argument.

Only time will tell.

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[kelsey]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

i think you missed something there's a huge difference between the to, for a start Vitalik starts with a V and Bob starts with a B 

[DecentralizeEconomics]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

i think you missed something there's a huge difference between the to, for a start Vitalik starts with a V and Bob starts with a B 

I Lol'd.   

[r0ach]

i think you missed something there's a huge difference between the to, for a start Vitalik starts with a V and Bob starts with a B  

[Come-from-Beyond]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence:

False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

[r0ach]

False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

"When he first stumbled on to bitcoin in 2011, it didn’t grab him (Vitalik). “I ignored it,” he says. “I thought it had no intrinsic value, so it had to fail.”  Then, in 2013, just as he was about to lose interest in the thing, the price of bitcoin skyrocketed."

[Come-from-Beyond]

Happening what?

[r0ach]

Happening what?

Bob and Vitalik, two different guys who believe their coins have no instrinsic value selling you an IPO !

[Come-from-Beyond]

Bob and Vitalik, two different guys who believe their coins have no instrinsic value, selling you an IPO !

If you keep sticking to false equivalence fallacy then you won't ignite a constructive discussion. If your real intention is to troll, just let me know and I'll play with you in "post a funny meme" game. With pleasure.

[r0ach]

If you keep sticking to false equivalence fallacy then you won't ignite a constructive discussion. If your real intention is to troll, just let me know and I'll play with you in "post a funny meme" game. With pleasure.

Isn't the phrase false equivalence itself a red herring?  I'm pretty sure red herring defense trumps false equivalence attack.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Isn't the phrase false equivalence itself a red herring?

No.

[spartacusrex]

First, I am far from thinking that Ethereum is in REAL trouble.

I hope Vitalik pulls through, and can look back at this all and laugh someday.

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Next, I think the question boils down to whether the final outcome is all that matters when branding someone a scammer ?

Obviously Vitalik and Bob are completely different people. Everyone is.

But thinking that someone is 'well meaning' is very subjective.

I too think Vit sounds like a nice guy uber-nerd. Don't know him. Can't really say.

But IF at the end of the day, 2 similar situations both result in investor money going AWOL, no matter the reason, are they not in some way in the same boat ?

I would say that NEITHER is a scammer.

If you put money into a scheme, it's your call, and no one else's.

If you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

Luckily 'experientia docet' 

[crypto jerk]

Difference is Vitalik got into bed with Goldmansachs the vampire squid enemy of humanity.


Vs
Bob who wishes he could get into bed with Goldmansachs

[Tobo]

Difference is Vitalik got into bed with Goldmansachs the vampire squid enemy of humanity.
Vs
Bob who wishes he could get into bed with Goldmansachs

I really hope that Ether can have Goldman Sachs (or any big banks and companies) on board with them. Isn't it what every coin hoping to have?

And you should be hurry. Otherwise they will build their own chains - http://www.coindesk.com/citi-hsbc-partner-with-r3cev-as-blockchain-project-adds-13-banks/

[crypto jerk]

Difference is Vitalik got into bed with Goldmansachs the vampire squid enemy of humanity.
Vs
Bob who wishes he could get into bed with Goldmansachs

I really hope that Ether can have Goldman Sachs (or any big banks and companies) on board with them. Isn't it what every coin hoping to have?

Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors.

[herzogzwei]

no diff at all. they use same strategy to get ya money. you buy - they sell. all u ve to know is how to ride on these waves man

[Tobo]

Difference is Vitalik got into bed with Goldmansachs the vampire squid enemy of humanity.
Vs
Bob who wishes he could get into bed with Goldmansachs

I really hope that Ether can have Goldman Sachs (or any big banks and companies) on board with them. Isn't it what every coin hoping to have?

Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors.

Sorry you feel and evaluate the relationships in life in that way. We are talking about business and moon here.

[crypto jerk]

It's quite alright mate. I'm going to assume you arn't aware of all of the evil Goldmansachs has caused.

The moon is made of blood.

Goldmansachs business is in killing, fraud, scams, extortion, and misery

& Business is good.



http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/09/19/the-worlds-most-evil-corporation-issues-a-dire-warning/



http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/07/21/goldman_sachs_commodities_scam_how_does_it_work.html



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/goldman-sachs-fraud-expla_n_540938.html

[nihilnegativum]

just remember there is more to crypto than its price...

[tss]

alot of these people have great intentions and some good ideas.  unfortunately when they get the money in their accounts some or most of them decide to spend it on nice shiny things rather than coding.   eth had some great promises but i surely would have thought by now they would have something to show for it rather than say... ooopps we ran out of money, heres some bullshit code, its up to the community now to work for free to make it happen.