Is there any real difference in Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?

[r0ach]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

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[benthach]

they're opportunist scammers
rich people are rich for a reason, they have brain

[tokeweed]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

Edit 2:  And the same can be and have been said to the other devs behind the other crypto 2.0 projects.  But some of them aren't 'scams'.

[r0ach]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

[tokeweed]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money.

Nah.  It just didn't work out for him.  But it's still too early to say really.  Ethereum could still succeed, you know..  I think he just bit a whole lot more than he can chew.  But he'll figure it out.  He needs to be strong in mind from here on.

[canth]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

Ethereum hasn't exactly failed yet. I think that this is a 3-4 year experiment that we won't really be able to see for a success or failure until later on down the line. Hell, the most anticipated application (Augur) that works with Ethereum hasn't even launched yet.

[tokeweed]

^ Exactly.  It's just people who are supporting and have invested heavily in other projects have their own ulterior motives and personal agendas that's motivating them in tarnishing Ethereum when it hasn't really been in the market that long.

And these same people should know what it's like.  The project they support has been accused of being a scam one way or another at some point and they should be the ones that shouldn't be attempting in doing the same thing.  But hey, we're only human...

[Zombier0]

They are same type of scammers

[smooth]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.

I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).

[benthach]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.

I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).

no opportunist is honest, they manipulate.
manipulate itself in my book is not honest.

[smooth]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.

I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).

no opportunist is honest, they manipulate.
manipulate itself in my book is not honest.

"in a sense"

Everyone with half a brain (even a mouse-sized one) knows exactly what Bobsurplus is doing. Once that is true it becomes a big poker game. Manipulation in poker is not dishonest, it is part of the game.

[benthach]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.

I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).

no opportunist is honest, they manipulate.
manipulate itself in my book is not honest.

"in a sense"

Everyone with half a brain (even a mouse-sized one) knows exactly what Bobsurplus is doing. Once that is true it becomes a big poker game. Manipulation in poker is not dishonest, it is part of the game.

i don't see poker player and crypto creator manipulate in an equal playing field, crypto creator control all the cards. i see only the full brain ones will get it

[r0ach]

ulterior motives and personal agendas that's motivating them in tarnishing Ethereum

I just think we're doing a disservice to Bob.  Too much praise and an almost cult like following is being given to Vitalik.  Bob should be given speaking engagements as well.

[tokeweed]

ulterior motives and personal agendas that's motivating them in tarnishing Ethereum

I just think we're doing a disservice to Bob.  Too much praise and an almost cult like following is being given to Vitalik.  Bob should be given speaking engagements as well.

lol.  wtffff?

[tokeweed]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.

I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).

So you're basically saying Buterin had a malicious plan of scamming people out of their money from the beginning while keeping a front of a well meaning individual who's trying to create something great?

[smooth]

Buterin is well meaning.  It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning.  And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread.

Edit:  Oh and sock puppets coming up...  

I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this.  What are they going to say?  Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of).  Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this.

I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way.

I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure).

So you're basically saying Buterin had a malicious plan of scamming people out of their money from the beginning while keeping a front of a well meaning individual who's trying to create something great?

I answered on the other thread. I don't think most things in life are really black or white.

[newb4now]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

This thread is a joke.

Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).

I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.

Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits

[smooth]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

This thread is a joke.

Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).

I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.

Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits

So your answer to the question in the topic is "Yes". Fair enough.

My follow up question would be "Are there any real similarities between Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?"

[newb4now]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

This thread is a joke.

Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).

I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.

Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits

So your answer to the question in the topic is "Yes". Fair enough.

My follow up question would be "Are there any real similarities between Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?"

I suppose you could argue that the way they raised funding was similar (build large hype and then raise funds in an ICO or presale). Besides that I don't see much in common.

The amount of development work going into Ethereum has already surpassed the total development efforts of all Bobsurplus coins combined

[smooth]

Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

This thread is a joke.

Vitalik is a talented developer and Bobsurplus does not even know how to code (I think he admitted this himself).

I absolutely understand why many people have concerns about ICOs and presales but this is not a fair comparison at all.

Vitalik will continue to support Ethereum long term. Bobsurplus has a history of jumping from coin to coin after he has extracted maximum profits

So your answer to the question in the topic is "Yes". Fair enough.

My follow up question would be "Are there any real similarities between Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin?"

I suppose you could argue that the way they raised funding was similar (build large hype and then raise funds in an ICO or presale). Besides that I don't see much in common.

The amount of development work going into Ethereum has already surpassed the total development efforts of all Bobsurplus coins combined

So has the amount of money raised, right? Apples to apples...