Bitcoin Forum
June 16, 2019, 06:02:52 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 0.18.0 [Torrent] (New!)
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: A few questions about Bitcoin wealth and potential inequality
Do you approve of Bitcoin wealth inequality, if it exists?
Do you disapprove of Bitcoin wealth inequality, if it exists?
Do you not have enough information to answer?

Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: POLL: Bitcoin Inequality  (Read 1224 times)
Possum577
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 434
Merit: 250

Loose lips sink sigs!


View Profile WWW
October 03, 2015, 06:16:09 AM
 #1

Vote honestly. If you change your mind, change your vote!

Feel free to debate your side in the comments below.

Godspeed.

1560708172
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1560708172

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1560708172
Reply with quote  #2

1560708172
Report to moderator
1560708172
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1560708172

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1560708172
Reply with quote  #2

1560708172
Report to moderator

Mine RVN and with 0% mining fees and get paid in BTC, ETH, XMR or RVN.

www.cudominer.com Get Cudo Miner
Auto coin switching, third-party miners, overclocking and remote management (Win/Linux)
Run from a USB stick or install from an ISO image (Linux)
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1560708172
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1560708172

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1560708172
Reply with quote  #2

1560708172
Report to moderator
Amph
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2198
Merit: 1003



View Profile
October 03, 2015, 07:21:20 AM
 #2

if there were no inequality and everyone was an early adopters, can someone really think that there would have been more buyers? or just plain more manipulators?

i'm prone to think the latter, would have been more true
1Referee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1904
Merit: 1308

Segwit please.


View Profile
October 03, 2015, 07:42:31 AM
 #3

As a middle class, I have a good life, a decent income, making nice profits with trading, etc. I'm not sure if my life would be the same if wealth was equally spreaded.

Bitcoin wealth, as all the other things with value are in the hands of a very small group of people. It has always been like this and will never change.

Mickeyb
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 798
Merit: 1000

Move On !!!!!!


View Profile
October 03, 2015, 09:24:01 AM
 #4

Even if you took 21 million bitcoins and gave them to 21 million people there are huge chances that in the future nearly all of the bitcoins would end up in the hands of the minority. The Pareto principle in works, the 80-20 rule. It's just how it is throughout the humanity.

Also, if you gave all of the coins to 21 million people, what about the rest of the people in this world? Huge inequality again! This means that we are all still the early adopters, us about the million at the moment that use the crypto.

Quite obviously, I do approve the current inequality!
n2004al
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000


View Profile
October 03, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
 #5

Vote honestly. If you change your mind, change your vote!

Feel free to debate your side in the comments below.

Godspeed.

If the bitcoins are earned honestly it is more than right that everyone have all its bitcoins and enjoy those whatever it can be the number. Inequality exist in every field of life and every human being. Why can be wrong in this field? There are not two people equal in most of the things, beginning from their genes. Its natural that be diversity in every other existing thing.
bryant.coleman
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2114
Merit: 1017


View Profile
October 03, 2015, 06:47:00 PM
 #6

The amount of inequality which exists in the Bitcoin sector is smaller when compared to that with the fiat currency segment. At least we don't have big corporations and banks deciding the volumes and prices. I am OK with the current status. And regarding inequality, it will gradually vanish as the large holders dump their coins, when the price increases.
silverleafy
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 539
Merit: 250



View Profile
October 03, 2015, 10:25:25 PM
 #7

Man, I would have expected a few posts on disapprove. I agree with inequality. Of course, it's up to every single individual on what they want to do with their cash (or bitcoin), whether distribute it to the least fortunate or keep it. There is a wall between the people in poorer places (I remember reading someone in Alabama frustrated about the lack of local options for buying bitcoin) and the wonderful new technology that is bitcoin. It's really easy for a newyorker to walk to their closest bitcoin ATM and buy some, but what can someone from [insert third world country here] going to do? Even if they have the disposable income to buy bitcoin, it's going to be a huge pain in the ass to buy bitcoin. I tried buying bitcoin in a place where there are no exchanges set up, I couldn't, not without paying 48% over the market price. That's something I think we should be working on that, as a community.

█  ▄▄▄  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ▀▀▀  █
█  ▄▄▄  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ▀▀▀  █
R  E  P  U  B  L  I  A
PRE-SALE :  23.08 - 23.09
█  ▄▄▄  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ▀▀▀  █


█  █
█  █
█  █
█  █
█  █
█  █
█  █
█  █
█  █
   █
   █
Highly Efficient Technology
Secure & Transparent
Full Democracy
█  ▄▄▄  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ███  █
█  ▀▀▀  █
christycalhoun
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 378
Merit: 250


View Profile
October 03, 2015, 10:45:11 PM
 #8

Wealth inequality exists in the real world as well. Wealth equality is a pipe dream that will never exist.

randy8777
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 896
Merit: 1000


View Profile
October 03, 2015, 10:55:34 PM
 #9

Wealth inequality exists in the real world as well. Wealth equality is a pipe dream that will never exist.

if we all think like that, it will never change. bitcoin is still fairly new. i think it is still possible to spread the coins more equally at some point in the future. but that will only happen if we stand up and start doing something about it.
christycalhoun
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 378
Merit: 250


View Profile
October 03, 2015, 11:33:13 PM
 #10

Wealth inequality exists in the real world as well. Wealth equality is a pipe dream that will never exist.

if we all think like that, it will never change. bitcoin is still fairly new. i think it is still possible to spread the coins more equally at some point in the future. but that will only happen if we stand up and start doing something about it.
I know these thoughts are well intentioned but people will want to compete irregardless of what the system is. It is just human nature.

Possum577
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 434
Merit: 250

Loose lips sink sigs!


View Profile WWW
October 03, 2015, 11:44:09 PM
 #11

if there were no inequality and everyone was an early adopters, can someone really think that there would have been more buyers? or just plain more manipulators?

i'm prone to think the latter, would have been more true

Well there would always be someone who missed the boat otherwise we'd all have dust and  would have forgotten  about it!

Possum577
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 434
Merit: 250

Loose lips sink sigs!


View Profile WWW
October 03, 2015, 11:45:31 PM
 #12

Wealth inequality exists in the real world as well. Wealth equality is a pipe dream that will never exist.

if we all think like that, it will never change. bitcoin is still fairly new. i think it is still possible to spread the coins more equally at some point in the future. but that will only happen if we stand up and start doing something about it.

Randy, what are the virtues about wealth equality?  What are the downsides?

I only see downsides:
  • Lack of motivation, since I'll always get a piece of my hardworking neighbor's reward
  • No reward for work or innovation, which will stagnate growth

Narrowing the gap of wealth inequality is one thing, fighting for complete wealth equality is very different.

odolvlobo
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2520
Merit: 1322



View Profile
October 04, 2015, 06:04:10 AM
 #13

I'm curious about what the phrase "Bitcoin wealth inequality" means. I assume it mean that some people own a lot of bitcoins and a lot of people own none.

Well, (assuming my description is correct) then I see no problem for these reasons:
  • Only a few people own Albanian leks, but nobody seems to care. Why is Bitcoin different?
  • A person that wants to be in the top 10% of bitcoin owners, a "whale", can simply buy 1 bitcoin. That's right. You can be one of the Bitcoin elite for only $240.

Buy stuff on Amazon at a discount with bitcoins or convert Amazon points to bitcoins: Purse.io
Join an anti-signature campaign: Click ignore on the members of signature campaigns.
odolvlobo
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2520
Merit: 1322



View Profile
October 04, 2015, 06:15:51 AM
 #14

Wealth inequality exists in the real world as well. Wealth equality is a pipe dream that will never exist.
if we all think like that, it will never change. bitcoin is still fairly new. i think it is still possible to spread the coins more equally at some point in the future. but that will only happen if we stand up and start doing something about it.

Ok, let's suppose that bitcoins are distributed equally to each of the 7 billion people on the planet. That means that each person receives 0.003 BTC, currently worth about $0.72. What good will that do? $0.72 is a tiny amount of money to even the poorest people in the world.

Buy stuff on Amazon at a discount with bitcoins or convert Amazon points to bitcoins: Purse.io
Join an anti-signature campaign: Click ignore on the members of signature campaigns.
dothebeats
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1848
Merit: 1124

don't ruin my PCRs dammit.


View Profile
October 04, 2015, 08:07:42 AM
 #15

Wealth inequality exists in the real world as well. Wealth equality is a pipe dream that will never exist.
if we all think like that, it will never change. bitcoin is still fairly new. i think it is still possible to spread the coins more equally at some point in the future. but that will only happen if we stand up and start doing something about it.

Ok, let's suppose that bitcoins are distributed equally to each of the 7 billion people on the planet. That means that each person receives 0.003 BTC, currently worth about $0.72. What good will that do? $0.72 is a tiny amount of money to even the poorest people in the world.


If in case it is spread among 7B people, the price would also change and would certainly not stay at $240 range. Even though wealth is evenly distributed, there will come a time that the equilibrium would be disturbed, and thus resulting to inequality. There had never been a time that wealth was distributed evenly; inequality exists even before books were invented lol.

Q7
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 448
Merit: 250


View Profile WWW
October 04, 2015, 01:25:02 PM
 #16

Seriously if we compare the level of inequality right now that exists in the fiat system, it's even far worse compared to what you can see right now with bitcoin. The rich getting richer because of how the loopholes are exploited and it just goes up further creating a big margin of divide between the rich and the poor. At least with bitcoin, it is not that bad.

randy8777
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 896
Merit: 1000


View Profile
October 04, 2015, 01:32:26 PM
 #17

Wealth inequality exists in the real world as well. Wealth equality is a pipe dream that will never exist.
if we all think like that, it will never change. bitcoin is still fairly new. i think it is still possible to spread the coins more equally at some point in the future. but that will only happen if we stand up and start doing something about it.

Ok, let's suppose that bitcoins are distributed equally to each of the 7 billion people on the planet. That means that each person receives 0.003 BTC, currently worth about $0.72. What good will that do? $0.72 is a tiny amount of money to even the poorest people in the world.


bitcoin will never get adopted by the entire world population. beside that, by equality i don't mean that every person gets the exact same amount. currently 1% of the world controls all the wealth. if we can get that number closer to 10-20% it can already be considered a huge improvement.
odolvlobo
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2520
Merit: 1322



View Profile
October 05, 2015, 04:57:36 AM
 #18

bitcoin will never get adopted by the entire world population. beside that, by equality i don't mean that every person gets the exact same amount. currently 1% of the world controls all the wealth. if we can get that number closer to 10-20% it can already be considered a huge improvement.

If you want equality, then every person has to get the same amount. If different people get different amounts, then that can't be considered equal.

A person's wealth is not equal to the number of bitcoins they own. In fact the wealthiest 1% in the world probably own very few bitcoins. So, that raises the question, how can an equal distribution of bitcoins affect equality?

Buy stuff on Amazon at a discount with bitcoins or convert Amazon points to bitcoins: Purse.io
Join an anti-signature campaign: Click ignore on the members of signature campaigns.
Betwrong
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1498
Merit: 1058



View Profile
October 05, 2015, 06:46:31 AM
 #19

Voted I do approve.
No more Communism! It's not that I'm against it in theory, but in practice this proved to be impossible, so no more of that nonsense. If you want have more BTC - mine it, earn it, but don't expect that it will be given to you for free.

.FORTUNE.JACK.
      ▄▄███████▄▄
   ▄████▀▀ ▄ ██████▄
  ████ ▄▄███ ████████
 █████▌▐███▌ ▀▄ ▀█████
███████▄██▀▀▀▀▄████████
█████▀▄▄▄▄█████████████
████▄▄▄▄ █████████████
 ██████▌ ███▀████████
  ███████▄▀▄████████
   ▀█████▀▀███████▀
      ▀▀██████▀▀
         
         █
...FortuneJack.com                                             
...THE BIGGEST BITCOIN GAMBLING SITE
       ▄▄█████████▄▄
    ▄█████████████████▄
  ▄█████████████████████▄
 ▄██
█████████▀███████████▄
██████████▀   ▀██████████
█████████▀       ▀█████████
████████           ████████
████████▄   ▄ ▄   ▄████████
██████████▀   ▀██████████
 ▀██
█████████████████████▀
  ▀██
███████████████████▀
    ▀█████████████████▀
       ▀▀█████████▀▀
#JACKMATE
WIN 1 BTC
▄█████████████████████████▄
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
██████████▀█████▀██████████
███████▀░░▀░░░░░▀░░▀███████
██████▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░▐██████
██████░░░░██░░░██░░░░██████
█████▌░░░░▀▀░░░▀▀░░░░▐█████
██████▄░░▄▄▄░░░▄▄▄░░▄██████
████████▄▄███████▄▄████████

███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
▀█████████████████████████▀
Harry Hood
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 266
Merit: 250



View Profile
October 05, 2015, 06:59:50 AM
 #20

I'm curious about what the phrase "Bitcoin wealth inequality" means. I assume it mean that some people own a lot of bitcoins and a lot of people own none.

Well, (assuming my description is correct) then I see no problem for these reasons:
  • Only a few people own Albanian leks, but nobody seems to care. Why is Bitcoin different?
  • A person that wants to be in the top 10% of bitcoin owners, a "whale", can simply buy 1 bitcoin. That's right. You can be one of the Bitcoin elite for only $240.

How can 1 bitcoin put any of us in the top 10% of bitcoin owners? There's 15 Million bitcoins in "circulation"!?

I don't think you're lying, i just want to see the numbers.

Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!