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October 08, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
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Which unspoken rule did I break?

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while shit like this [posted in my thread] isn't?

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October 08, 2015, 02:57:19 PM
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Did you add any of your own text, or did you just post a quote?

A quote alone might be considered as not contributing anything to the conversation.

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October 08, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
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Did you add any of your own text, or did you just post a quote?

A quote alone might be considered as not contributing anything to the conversation.

The mentioned post was deleted from my "Bearish News Thread," started as a sister thread to The Bullish News Thread.
Roughly 80% of the posts in The Bullish News Thread are simply .png screen captures of articles.
To my knowledge, none of those are ever deleted.
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October 08, 2015, 03:08:23 PM
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Actually it was just a single report (I think), You have to read the rules first to understand.
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13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]
You can't just open a thread about "news" and keep posting unlimited links. Obviously this is prone to abuse and thus a rule was made against it. My suggestion would be to start merging posts. Your whole thread needs to be cleaned as you've broken this rule several times. //I was not aware of the other thread either.


As for the other post, I had not noticed it (I was using my smartphone). Just report obvious trolling using the "Report to moderator " feature.

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October 08, 2015, 03:14:00 PM
Last edit: October 08, 2015, 03:24:26 PM by ahpku
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Actually it was just a single report (I think), You have to read the rules first to understand.
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13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]
You can't just open a thread about "news" and keep posting unlimited links. Obviously this is prone to abuse and thus a rule was made against it. My suggestion would be to start merging posts. Your whole thread needs to be cleaned as you've broken this rule several times.


As for the other post, I had not noticed it (I was using my smartphone). Just report obvious trolling using the "Report to moderator " feature.

I invite you to check out The Bullish News Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1166428.0), and suggest you apply to it the same rigor.
(or should I report the posts individually?)

Make it real simple for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357170;sa=showPosts

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October 08, 2015, 03:44:32 PM
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Actually it was just a single report (I think), You have to read the rules first to understand.
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13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]
You can't just open a thread about "news" and keep posting unlimited links. Obviously this is prone to abuse and thus a rule was made against it. My suggestion would be to start merging posts. Your whole thread needs to be cleaned as you've broken this rule several times.


As for the other post, I had not noticed it (I was using my smartphone). Just report obvious trolling using the "Report to moderator " feature.

I invite you to check out The Bullish News Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1166428.0), and suggest you apply to it the same rigor.
(or should I report the posts individually?)

Make it real simple for you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357170;sa=showPosts

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lets stop the time, to make it harder I only use one hand, go:

37 seconds for one report. If you are a regular reader of said thread it should not be an issue to report those posts that bump the thread < 24 hours.

I understand that you feel singled out, but mods are bussy and you cant expect them to read the entire board. If you dont report posts, no one else might.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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October 08, 2015, 05:01:25 PM
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The "Bump" rule is actually a marketplace rule as it is posted in a thread in marketplace titled "marketplace rules and guidelines" so I would not think it would apply to threads in other, non-marketplace sections.
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October 08, 2015, 05:10:33 PM
Last edit: October 08, 2015, 06:22:41 PM by Lauda
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I invite you to check out The Bullish News Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1166428.0), and suggest you apply to it the same rigor.

Make it real simple for you:
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That does not fall under my 'jurisdiction' and thus I can not do anything about it. That thread will most likely get cleaned and yours will be too. Actually repeatedly breaking that rule tends to result in a (shorter) ban. This is the first time that I've seen that thread.


The "Bump" rule is actually a marketplace rule as it is posted in a thread in marketplace titled "marketplace rules and guidelines" so I would not think it would apply to threads in other, non-marketplace sections.
No. It might have been a marketplace only rule in the past, but this applies to all section without exception.


Update: No reference from someone else yet. However, keep in mind that there is also this:
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October 08, 2015, 05:16:06 PM
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The "Bump" rule is actually a marketplace rule as it is posted in a thread in marketplace titled "marketplace rules and guidelines" so I would not think it would apply to threads in other, non-marketplace sections.
No. It might have been a marketplace only rule in the past, but this applies to all section without exception.
Do you have a thread or a post that clarifies this rule somewhere? The only place I have ever seen this rule posted is in the above referenced thread. Even the unofficial list of official rules references that same thread (with a footnote of [2] )
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October 08, 2015, 06:20:54 PM
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Do you have a thread or a post that clarifies this rule somewhere?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1203661.msg12635773#msg12635773

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October 08, 2015, 06:35:51 PM
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Actually it was just a single report (I think), You have to read the rules first to understand.
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13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]
You can't just open a thread about "news" and keep posting unlimited links. Obviously this is prone to abuse and thus a rule was made against it. My suggestion would be to start merging posts. Your whole thread needs to be cleaned as you've broken this rule several times. //I was not aware of the other thread either.


As for the other post, I had not noticed it (I was using my smartphone). Just report obvious trolling using the "Report to moderator " feature.

Certainly I would not wish to see my thread decimated, and the mere thought of a ban, no matter its duration, sends me into a funk. Could you, perchance, if you don't terribly mind, share your thoughts as to how I may resolve this conundrum, without finding myself on the wrong side of the [by]law?

Clearly, lumping multiple unrelated news articles into the same post is a forced, clumsy solution -- if for no reason other than failing to clue in the reader regarding new content.

Perhaps a more elegant approach would be to alter the posts, somehow?  With each one already being new, pertinent, unique, and containing a nontrivial, enlightening payload, what other qualities must each posses to reduce its ...'bumpishness'?
Or would it be more appropriate to simply start a new topic, as more 'bearish news' come to light?
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October 08, 2015, 06:43:25 PM
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Clearly, lumping multiple unrelated news articles into the same post is a forced, clumsy solution -- if for no reason other than failing to clue in the reader regarding new content.

Perhaps a more elegant approach would be to alter the posts, somehow?  With each one already being new, pertinent, unique, and containing a nontrivial, enlightening payload, what other qualities must each posses to reduce its ...'bumpishness'?
No, it does not create a mess if you properly format it like I tend to do. Use this:
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[hr][hr]
to separate with two lines. It really looks nice in my opinion. This is just my suggestion (not a solution); either: A) merge posts; B) Do not post so frequent that you have a lot of posts in a row. There's really no need to post so many "news articles" each day in a single thread.


Or would it be more appropriate to simply start a new topic, as more 'bearish news' come to light?
Actually I think that it might be even worse considering how many news articles you've posted so far.

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October 08, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
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Clearly, lumping multiple unrelated news articles into the same post is a forced, clumsy solution -- if for no reason other than failing to clue in the reader regarding new content.

Perhaps a more elegant approach would be to alter the posts, somehow?  With each one already being new, pertinent, unique, and containing a nontrivial, enlightening payload, what other qualities must each posses to reduce its ...'bumpishness'?
No, it does not create a mess if you properly format it like I tend to do. Use this:
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to separate with two lines. It really looks nice in my opinion. This is just my suggestion (not a solution); either: A) merge posts;

See boldface. How would a reader know when fresh content has been added?

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B) Do not post so frequent that you have a lot of posts in a row. There's really no need to post so many "news articles" each day in a single thread.

Not sure I understand.  No need?  What, praytell, does that mean?  Are we discussing personal preferences, or forum rules?

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Or would it be more appropriate to simply start a new topic, as more 'bearish news' come to light?
Actually I think that it might be even worse considering how many news articles you've posted so far.

To clarify: The posts aren't simply cut & paste quotes (or screen grabs, as is the case with the 'bullish news' sister thread). Rather, original content containing quotations and citing sources.
At the risk of sounding brash, have you read any of the posts in question?
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October 08, 2015, 07:11:16 PM
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See boldface. How would a reader know when fresh content has been added?
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AFAIK an edit triggers a post to add up on the watchlist again, but it does not bump the thread up in the subboard view. Its reasonable to assume that regular readers either use a bookmark and can just check or the watchlist.

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October 08, 2015, 07:14:21 PM
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See boldface. How would a reader know when fresh content has been added?
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AFAIK an edit triggers a post to add up on the watchlist again, but it does not bump the thread up in the subboard view. Its reasonable to assume that regular readers either use a bookmark and can just check or the watchlist.
An edit does not make a thread show up on your watchlist. If you are viewing a sub then an edited post that you previously read will now show up as unread so unless you are specifically looking for new content on that thread then a reader will not see it.

Edit: I tried testing this using a not-so-secret alt and my old account sales thread and I was not able to get my thread to show up as being unread after editing the OP as well as after editing *my* last reply to my thread.
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October 08, 2015, 07:18:25 PM
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See boldface. How would a reader know when fresh content has been added?
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To clarify: The posts aren't simply cut & paste quotes (or screen grabs, as is the case with the 'bullish news' sister thread). Rather, original content containing quotations and citing sources.
At the risk of sounding brash, have you read any of the posts in question?
There are various formatting options (e.g. size, color, etc.) that would make it pretty obvious that a post contains new content. What's with the urge with frequent updates? People seem to forget 1 obvious thing: forum != news site. If you are so into posting articles, open up your website. That would be beneficial for you and 'your readers'. Otherwise 1 post a day that contains a few news articles should be enough.


This is not my personal preference. I'm rather trying to properly understand and interpret forum rules and guidelines. If it was up to me, it would have been cleaned long ago. I'm a bit strict(er) when it comes to certain things (i.e. I like things clean.  Smiley ).

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October 08, 2015, 07:39:11 PM
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See boldface. How would a reader know when fresh content has been added?
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To clarify: The posts aren't simply cut & paste quotes (or screen grabs, as is the case with the 'bullish news' sister thread). Rather, original content containing quotations and citing sources.
At the risk of sounding brash, have you read any of the posts in question?
There are various formatting options (e.g. size, color, etc.) that would make it pretty obvious that a post contains new content.

Not on the reader's watchlist, no.

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What's with the urge with frequent updates?

Why do news sites update during the day? My guess is "Because news happens in time."
It can't be posted before it happens (due to the temporal nature of our universe), and it stops being news if posted long after it happened.
These truths, as they say, we hold to be self-evident.

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People seem to forget 1 obvious thing: forum != news site. If you are so into posting articles, open up your website. That would be beneficial for you and 'your readers'. Otherwise 1 post a day that contains a few news articles should be enough.

The forum is many thing to many people -- a news site, a bazaar, a place to steal, a place to earn pennies from signature campaigns, etc., etc.
If, OTOH, you could point me to a forum policy re. '1 post a day [being] enough,' please do.
But why such stinginess regarding the number of posts? Clearly the posts are not spam, clearly the thread has a reader base, the account is not a part of an ad campaign, so what gives?

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This is not my personal preference. I'm rather trying to properly understand and interpret forum rules and guidelines. If it was up to me, we wouldn't be discussing this at all. I'm a bit strict(er) when it comes to certain things.

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The forum is many thing to many people -- a news site, a bazaar, a place to steal, a place to earn pennies from signature campaigns, etc., etc.
If, OTOH, you could point me to a forum policy re. '1 post a day [being] enough,' please do.

Go on!
That's subjective and pretty unrelated. The forum is one thing, what the user thinks it is is quite a different thing. I was not talking about '1 post per day' rule. I was suggesting what you could do. As previously stated:
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This includes your "news" thread, i.e. you're posting updates. I've explained it enough times (from my interpretation) and I will not explain it here anymore as we would be going in circles (maybe someone else will pitch in if you're lucky). Good luck with whatever you decide (just don't break the rules).


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No. My "job" is to make sure that people follow rules, not to make my own.

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October 08, 2015, 07:47:30 PM
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In other words, there is no policy re. frequency of posts, as long as the posts are not spam. Correct?

re. your edit, I think I've shown that my posts are not "bumps."
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In other words, there is no policy re. frequency of posts, as long as the posts are not spam. Correct?
There is none. There are people making a lot of posts (20+) a day. However, what you are doing is 'bumping' the thread by posting 'updates'. Rule 13 applies to that.

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