Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud

[david-pokeram-com]

asksisk@hotmail.com  is not my e-mail account.

all your requests were sent from this email. this email is in your account.
your ticket was sent from this email.
even after your forum post all messages were sent from this email.
(with a link to this thread)


10.10.2015

On 10 October 2015 at 07:24, <asksisk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Look here dumb asses.Everyone trusts me in the forum

>https:// bitcointalk .org/index.php?topic=1204396.msg12643181

>I'm bringing your program down.I've all evidence that are against you.

>MNO will be the next place I'm reporting you guys to.Have fun!

or now you'll say this is not your message?

[MustMan]

asksisk@hotmail.com  is not my e-mail account.

all your requests were sent from this email. this email is in your account.
your ticket was sent from this email.
even after your forum post all messages were sent from this email.
(with a link to this thread)


10.10.2015

On 10 October 2015 at 07:24, <asksisk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Look here dumb asses.Everyone trusts me in the forum

>https:// bitcointalk .org/index.php?topic=1204396.msg12643181

>I'm bringing your program down.I've all evidence that are against you.

>MNO will be the next place I'm reporting you guys to.Have fun!

or now you'll say this is not your message?

Ridiculous, lie again!

You can arbitrarily claim that all email accounts like
asksisk@xxxx.xxx all belong to me！

Look how fragile and weak oral evidence you provided.

You can easily change everything that belong to me inside poker automatics, not to mention just a similar email accounts like my.

I strongly suspect that this email accounts asksisk@hotmail.com is owned by you ( or poker automatics), used to defame me or cover up your obvious selective scam.

[MustMan]

If any client has any problems he tries to resolve it.

Nobody makes a lot of screenshots posting on forum to resolve his problems.
So you had another goals. We don't know why.

P.S.
Maybe this is your goal:

........snip

Surely you don't know what my goal is.

Because lie ,cheating, fraud, scam are the inherent nature inside your body and blood.
You don't even know what the good will and good deed that an ordinary people could possibly have.

So let me tell you again what my goal that always puzzled you is :

Warn others people not to stepping into this greedy trap that you set up again.

It is just that that simple!

[MustMan]

Further proof:

Oct 04 2015 , I submitted a 5.078 BTC withdraw request.









My Bitcoin address:
1GoGo8vUmmmMcZnAnYTxyTwFVnZKAJ2x6B

Poker Automatics Bitcoin address:
19d9egVvZBV5zosRV28W4hryzvCfYZcXe8

Ok now WHERE THEY SENT MY 5.078 BTC TO???

Still claim that I ""tried to make double profit using my second BTC payment account"??

[david-pokeram-com]

asksisk@hotmail.com  is not my e-mail account.

all your requests were sent from this email. this email is in your account.
your ticket was sent from this email.
even after your forum post all messages were sent from this email.
(with a link to this thread)


10.10.2015

On 10 October 2015 at 07:24, <asksisk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Look here dumb asses.Everyone trusts me in the forum

>https:// bitcointalk .org/index.php?topic=1204396.msg12643181

>I'm bringing your program down.I've all evidence that are against you.

>MNO will be the next place I'm reporting you guys to.Have fun!

or now you'll say this is not your message?

Ridiculous, lie again!

You can arbitrarily claim that all email accounts like
asksisk@xxxx.xxx all belong to me！

Look how fragile and weak oral evidence you provided.

You can easily change everything that belong to me inside poker automatics, not to mention just a similar email accounts like my.

I strongly suspect that this email accounts asksisk@hotmail.com is owned by you ( or poker automatics), used to defame me or cover up your obvious selective scam.

  OMG.What's wrong with you...


and after these words we received another one "not your" email message from <asksisk@hotmail.com>:

2015-10-12 7:10 <asksisk@hotmail.com>:
Re: You are doomed

>Hehehe.I'll keep posting screenshots as evidence that you are scamming.

>Fuck your director

and another one from <asksisk@yahoo.com.tw>

On 12 October 2015 at 03:00 <asksisk@yahoo.com.tw> wrote:

>So what if asksisk@hotmail.com is also my email address?Fuck you son of a bitch.I'll make your program go down under.

>Watch out for my complaints in other forums.I'm bringing you guys down.


That means that it was your request for changing your PM account number. And you're a cheater

and this is all your data:

email - asksisk@hotmail.com
email - asksisk@yahoo.com.tw
PerfectMoney account - U9476692 (verified account with username Tsay)
PerfectMoney account - U8019013 (verified account with username Tsay)
skype - asksisk.tw

We sent a ticket to PerfectMoney to block your second account U9476692 (Tsay) and return our money.
Because we paid our real money there.

10.01.15 12:52    Transfer    103741265    U3129564 Poker Automatics    -7035.00 USD U9476692   Tsay   35.00 Sent Payment 7000.00 USD to account U9476692. Memo: API Payment. Invoice 5986118, asksisk.
10.01.15 12:52    Transfer    103741261    U3129564 Poker Automatics    -79.35 USD U9476692   Tsay  0.39    Sent Payment 78.96 USD to account U9476692. Memo: API Payment. Invoice 5986042, asksisk.

if it's not your account you should send such ticket too.
but I suppose you'll not do that because it's your second PerfectMoney account.



P.S.

and another one email from <asksisk@hotmail.com>:

2015-10-12 08:47 <asksisk@hotmail.com>:

>It's of no use blocking my second PM account

>I'm gonna ruin Pokeram reputation.Our discussion will never be over until you go down.

>Fucking retards

My Bitcoin address:
1GoGo8vUmmmMcZnAnYTxyTwFVnZKAJ2x6B
Ok now WHERE THEY SENT MY 5.078 BTC TO???

your BTC address is the same. only your PerfectMoney account number was changed by your request from <asksisk@hotmail.com>.

All other money is in your Poker Automatics account (5.000 PM + 9 BTC)

3) your money is in your Poker Automatics account (5.000 PM + 9 BTC)

your account was temporary blocked for security reasons after the second attempt to change your payment details by email.
we don't know it was you or somebody else.
we asked you to confirm your requests and data.
but you never replied by email. we receive only threats from you.

Here is an order of our director:
We should pay you all your initial deposits and close your account for violation of ToS.
You already have a profit over 6,000 USD (Withdrawals minus Deposits).
Your account is permanently blocked.
You can't create new account in Poker Automatics in future.

The overall result:
You received all your Deposits + profit over 6,000 USD + 7,078.96 USD into your second account.
You violated and continue to violate our rules.
https://pokeram.com/rules
Our discussion is over.

[groko271]

And this suspicion caused me starting screenshot my account and my operations from Sep 25 to Oct 07 prepared as the "proof" in case of some unexpected scam happened.
Unfortunately, my suspicion finally became a reality, and every screenshot I made became the solid proof of a deliberately selective scam.
On Sep 27 2015 when the $12000 120 days project finally expired.

your evidence is very damning of pokeram. Almost perfect.

If i was to have one suspicion of you, its in the part I quoted above. My spidey senses are tingling because its all too perfect. Considering the emails pokeram has shared it does make me wonder who is lying, looks like the perfect set-up from you OR the not so perfect defence by pokeram.

[krakozyabra]

MustMan, enough to amuse us all long realized that you are a crook 

[lottery248]

warning: i just got the same issues with you!
someone is referring me to poker automatics once again! i must bump this thread due to receiving sscam email regarding poker automatics.

[Spoetnik]

And this suspicion caused me starting screenshot my account and my operations from Sep 25 to Oct 07 prepared as the "proof" in case of some unexpected scam happened.
Unfortunately, my suspicion finally became a reality, and every screenshot I made became the solid proof of a deliberately selective scam.
On Sep 27 2015 when the $12000 120 days project finally expired.

your evidence is very damning of pokeram. Almost perfect.

If i was to have one suspicion of you, its in the part I quoted above. My spidey senses are tingling because its all too perfect. Considering the emails pokeram has shared it does make me wonder who is lying, looks like the perfect set-up from you OR the not so perfect defence by pokeram.

i agree with you but think of this.. he said he took out 7k and left in 5k
so what is the OP scamming for another duplicate withdrawal of 7k ?
Why would he try and take out 7k twice AND leave in 5k still ?
Recap !
He can honestly take out 12k
or
Run some elaborate scam with drama for 14k

Based on what i see here i think the OP is honestly telling his story.

[pumaro]

POKERAM seems to have been around for awhile, are we saying its a scam and there are not pokerbots running around playing poker?
I guess I saw this post too late, lets see what happens in 118 days...

[Issilrah]

im investing in PokerAM and made a few cashouts without a problem.... the site is paying since 2011... and if u search the internet you wont find any scam review arround so its the first one....

if there is no other scam review arround, i can clearly say that this guy is lying and pokeram is safe to be trusted...

[Spoetnik]

And this suspicion caused me starting screenshot my account and my operations from Sep 25 to Oct 07 prepared as the "proof" in case of some unexpected scam happened.
Unfortunately, my suspicion finally became a reality, and every screenshot I made became the solid proof of a deliberately selective scam.
On Sep 27 2015 when the $12000 120 days project finally expired.

your evidence is very damning of pokeram. Almost perfect.

If i was to have one suspicion of you, its in the part I quoted above. My spidey senses are tingling because its all too perfect. Considering the emails pokeram has shared it does make me wonder who is lying, looks like the perfect set-up from you OR the not so perfect defence by pokeram.

i agree with you but think of this.. he said he took out 7k and left in 5k
so what is the OP scamming for another duplicate withdrawal of 7k ?
Why would he try and take out 7k twice AND leave in 5k still ?
Recap !
He can honestly take out 12k
or
Run some elaborate scam with drama for 14k

Based on what i see here i think the OP is honestly telling his story.

He had little to gain..
Why would he kill his cash cow for a possible 2 grand ?
I believe the OP.

Also notice this site was regged in 2004.. using a hiding service.

Domain Name: POKERAM.COM
Registry Domain ID: 126162548_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.internet.bs
Registrar URL: http://www.internetbs.net
Updated Date: 2015-12-12T10:27:36Z
Creation Date: 2004-08-01T06:27:09Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2030-01-22T04:59:59Z
Registrar: Internet Domain Service BS Corp.
Registrar IANA ID: 2487
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@internet.bs
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.7546458118
Reseller:
Domain Status: ok - http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited - http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Registrant Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Registrant City: Nassau
Registrant State/Province: New Providence
Registrant Postal Code: 0000
Registrant Country: BS
Registrant Phone: +1.5163872248
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: pokeram.com-owner@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Domain Admin
Admin Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Admin Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Admin City: Nassau
Admin State/Province: New Providence
Admin Postal Code: 0000
Admin Country: BS
Admin Phone: +1.5163872248
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: pokeram.com-admin@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Tech Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Tech City: Nassau
Tech State/Province: New Providence
Tech Postal Code: 0000
Tech Country: BS
Tech Phone: +1.5163872248
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: pokeram.com-tech@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Name Server: ns1.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns2.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns3.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns4.ddos-guard.net
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2016-01-02T20:35:40Z <<<

[InstantScamAlert]

I heard several scam-stories in last years and this is one of them. If "MustMan" was really surprised when he saw another PM ID and the transaction completed, then its usually too late. The question is, are you able to do screenshots after this? 99% of investors do not make screenshots during withdrawing and I am sure that MustMan is not the exception.
It is true that he invested in PokerAm, but probably he saw the chance to earn more, usually this is the main motivation of cheaters.
Also, no cheater cares for name of PM account if he wants just steel. These guys do the job fast and exchange PM funds for bitcoins in a moment. But in this case both PM accounts have the same name, is it possible in real story? Of course not.
http://content.screencast.com/users/zsoltit/folders/Jing/media/dd8b5973-c83a-4dfa-8141-336a81efe442/test.png

I never had problems with administration of pokeram and not because I am an admin of hyip monitor, moreover, I temporarily deleted my RCB offer for pokeram when the admin asked whit wrong tonality why I accepted PokerAdv (copycat with unique script). So I do not have closer relationship with pokeram, just official.

Do you wonder why do scam-stories exist in hyip industry? Because here you can get easy money without working. I hope you will able to distinguish the truth in next such stories easier. Take care guys.

[Pathal2123]

Bull shit statement

PokerAm is paying and there are no issues.
This ...... is just a....

http://pokeram-forum.com/index.php/;session=535752bc65c6b4e9&focus=STRATP_com_cm4all_wdn_PhpBB_3361724&path=.$2fviewforum.php?f=3&sid=54d9ed4e609745dbcd23e4629c5dc90e

[Gleb Gamow]

Two words: Jeff Ownby.

[Indianacoin]

Lol really? I am having a great time laughing at these statistics bar:

Code:

Total investors: 79,084 
Investment capital:$ 5,873,029
Own capital:$ 628,417
Total withdraw:$ 7,549,206
Total pokerbot accounts:1,314
TOP-1 Investor:$ 271,318
TOP-1 Affiliate:3,358 referrals
Paying Days:1,752

They must be dreaming these stats every time they wake up from their beds.
All these video testimonials, quick support system bla bla bla are nothing but bullshit.

Will never ever invest there even if someone pays me to invest there.

The overall result:
You received all your Deposits + profit over 6,000 USD + 7,078.96 USD into your second account.
You violated and continue to violate our rules.
https://pokeram.com/rules
Our discussion is over.

Yeah! Nice support system I can see, dumping your customer. Well done.

[Gleb Gamow]

And this suspicion caused me starting screenshot my account and my operations from Sep 25 to Oct 07 prepared as the "proof" in case of some unexpected scam happened.
Unfortunately, my suspicion finally became a reality, and every screenshot I made became the solid proof of a deliberately selective scam.
On Sep 27 2015 when the $12000 120 days project finally expired.

your evidence is very damning of pokeram. Almost perfect.

If i was to have one suspicion of you, its in the part I quoted above. My spidey senses are tingling because its all too perfect. Considering the emails pokeram has shared it does make me wonder who is lying, looks like the perfect set-up from you OR the not so perfect defence by pokeram.

i agree with you but think of this.. he said he took out 7k and left in 5k
so what is the OP scamming for another duplicate withdrawal of 7k ?
Why would he try and take out 7k twice AND leave in 5k still ?
Recap !
He can honestly take out 12k
or
Run some elaborate scam with drama for 14k

Based on what i see here i think the OP is honestly telling his story.

He had little to gain..
Why would he kill his cash cow for a possible 2 grand ?
I believe the OP.

Also notice this site was regged in 2004.. using a hiding service.

Domain Name: POKERAM.COM
Registry Domain ID: 126162548_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.internet.bs
Registrar URL: http://www.internetbs.net
Updated Date: 2015-12-12T10:27:36Z
Creation Date: 2004-08-01T06:27:09Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2030-01-22T04:59:59Z
Registrar: Internet Domain Service BS Corp.
Registrar IANA ID: 2487
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@internet.bs
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.7546458118
Reseller:
Domain Status: ok - http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited - http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Registrant Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Registrant City: Nassau
Registrant State/Province: New Providence
Registrant Postal Code: 0000
Registrant Country: BS
Registrant Phone: +1.5163872248
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: pokeram.com-owner@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Domain Admin
Admin Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Admin Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Admin City: Nassau
Admin State/Province: New Providence
Admin Postal Code: 0000
Admin Country: BS
Admin Phone: +1.5163872248
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: pokeram.com-admin@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Tech Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Tech City: Nassau
Tech State/Province: New Providence
Tech Postal Code: 0000
Tech Country: BS
Tech Phone: +1.5163872248
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: pokeram.com-tech@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Name Server: ns1.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns2.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns3.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns4.ddos-guard.net
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2016-01-02T20:35:40Z <<<

The domain's been registered for 11-12 years, but has never been indexed due to robots: http://web.archive.org/web/*/pokeram.com I got an idea! Let's start an online company but don't allow the search engines to index the site, thus nobody will ever find us. But, we'll pay referral fees to an SEO expert named JEFF to created traffic for us. Genius!

[Btcskulls]

Dude, you got so banged.

How did you fucking fall for a scam like that, I mean you can not earn money by giving your money away.

By the way, avoid using PerfectMoney (I tried it when I started trading & exchanging BTC, they suspended my account and took more than $1k).

[Borgminer]

Pokeram has always worked fine for me . and i have a lot in it . I withdraw btc everyday .

[Borgminer]

ALso they just switch ownership so i guess we will see what happens .