Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud

[jaydipmodhwadia]

P.S.
Maybe this is your goal:

07.10.2015

On 7 October 2015 at 13:36, <makeprofitvnet1@gmail.com> wrote:

>Our team recently kill a big growing program within 24 hours only.
>Remember we are not DDoS attacker, we just kill you website in forums and monitors and investors will also support if we start working against you.

>Send me $500 to my bitcoin for avoid this otherwise i will inform to my team and we will start work within next 6 to 12 hours.

>Tradinginc.net admin refuse to pay us so his website is dead now.
>Check proof of our work
>http:// www. moneymakergroup .com/Tradinginc-Tradingincn-t502841.html

>In MMGP they removed the website in scam while he not just launched and buy MNO sticky and we kill it.

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10.10.2015

On 10 October 2015 at 07:24, <asksisk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Look here dumb asses.Everyone trusts me in the forum

>https:// bitcointalk .org/index.php?topic=1204396.msg12643181

>I'm bringing your program down.I've all evidence that are against you.

>MNO will be the next place I'm reporting you guys to.Have fun!


Here is an example of messages from different cheaters and scammers we receive every day...
Everyone of them tries to steal our money every single day in 100s of different ways.

You already received all your money + profit 6,000 USD.
Relax.

Can both parties show timestamped proof?

[Cyaren]

This is nothing surprising... HYIPs are ponzis. Ponzis are scams.

You chose to trust a scammer, and that's what you deserve.

[Enochian]

According to a critical mass of HYIP monitor sites, Poker Automatics has finally gone belly up.

That is all.

[Borgminer]

weird payments were sent out yesterday through stp and okpay no bitcoin yet

[Phildo]

weird payments were sent out yesterday through stp and okpay no bitcoin yet

Just a guess, but they probably have to do a little more payouts from those methods because they have money left in those accounts that can be taken when people can complain about lack of payment. No such luck when you are being your own bank with bitcoin.

[lfo]

So now pokeram is officially busted eh?
www.pokeram.com
not working anymore i see....
Or just a server change to delaware since the resale of company and site>?
You be the judge judy here folks.
invest in life....
offline life with lfomaps.com
#feelthebern?

[PapoXxX]

nobody mess with hyps and thinks that its risk free. you know that you are risking your money, you lose, your problem, start again its life

[Borgminer]

i hope karma finds them

[james.lent]

i hope karma finds them

Why should karma hit them? Its not like they really had bots playing poker lol. It was obvious from the start that they were rolling investors funds. The change of ownership and crap were just an excuse for delayed payment. Humans with their excuses.

[sirslayer]

pokeram.com is down,  thanks alot marty from ispace.com who advertised it on that website.. 

[Borgminer]

i hope karma finds them

Why should karma hit them? Its not like they really had bots playing poker lol. It was obvious from the start that they were rolling investors funds. The change of ownership and crap were just an excuse for delayed payment. Humans with their excuses.

that is something i didnt know .

[Phildo]

i hope karma finds them

Why should karma hit them? Its not like they really had bots playing poker lol. It was obvious from the start that they were rolling investors funds. The change of ownership and crap were just an excuse for delayed payment. Humans with their excuses.

that is something i didnt know .

I'm not trying to be mean, but if you didn't realize that this was a ponzi scam disguised as a poker operation, you really need to do A LOT more research before your next attempted investment.

Anyone with one ounce of knowledge of how poker works, particularly poker staking, would have realized this was fraudulent. even if you don't have that knowledge, which is vey possible, trying to figure out how poker/poker staking works even a little bit would have clued you in.

No one, especially no random person on the internet, is going to give you a fre lunch. Before you do an "investment," figure out how exactl they are going to be making money for themselves and for you, and find out why they need your money and what they are going to do with it. Trying to do that it this scenario would have shown you that this was a fraud 5 minutes into your searching.

[alani123]

Good job putting such money in a HYIP...

[fullintegrity]

  Still a bunch of crap that these even are allowed to existing more than a day IMHO. Where is the internet police? Oh yeah, they are prolly helping em scam

[Phildo]

Still a bunch of crap that these even are allowed to existing more than a day IMHO. Where is the internet police? Oh yeah, they are prolly helping em scam

I'm sure the "internet police" have much more important things to do than stopping people from handing their money over to obvious scams.

[lfo]

oh, hey Phildo, i mean dildo. You are just as part of the problem online as any. You bs remarks make room for a punch in the face
\\WHACK\\!
pfft.

[kamlesh123]

Stay away from Poker automatics (https://pokeram.com/),
withdraw all your money ASAP before it is too late !

Here I want to report a deliberately selective scam about Poker automatics, which is a high-yield investment program (HYIP).

But first sorry for my poor English since it is not my native language.

I started investing my money into Poker automatics around November 2014, everything went smoothly, so I increasing my investment from hundreds of dollars to thousands of dollars in the first half year.

On May 30 2015, I truly believe that Poker automatics is a good place to earn quick money, so I boldly invest $12000 into a Level 5 project ($10000~2999-70%-120 days), it means this project will expire on Sep 27 2015 for 120 days, estimated return around 20% every month for 4 months.

Till then I total invest $12000 plus 9 BTC (Bitcoin) into Poker automatics.


http://i60.tinypic.com/vo4jkh.jpg


Ok, that seems a good deal, and I am really happy earn every day just like Poker automatics has promised.

But on Aug, I came across the series articles by Haley Hintze revealing that Poker automatics is "Likely Return of the Remote Poker Ponzi Scam"

Poker Automatics, Part 1: Likely Return of the Remote Poker Ponzi Scam
http://www.flushdraw.net/news/misc/poker-automatics-p1-likely-return-remote-poker-ponzi-scam/

Poker Automatics, Part 2: Deconstructing a Faked Launch?
http://www.flushdraw.net/news/misc/poker-automatics-part-2-deconstructing-faked-launch/"

Poker Automatics, Part 3: Not-Quite Legit Payments and a Ready-Made Exit Strategy
http://www.flushdraw.net/news/misc/poker-automatics-part-3-not-quite-legit-payments-ready-made-exit-strategy/"

These series articles aroused my suspicion of Poker automatics due to my large amounts of money investing there.

And this suspicion caused me starting screenshot my account and my operations from Sep 25 to Oct 07 prepared as the "proof" in case of some unexpected scam happened.

Unfortunately, my suspicion finally became a reality, and every screenshot I made became the solid proof of a deliberately selective scam.

On Sep 27 2015 when the $12000 120 days project finally expired.


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Since reading Haley Hintze series articles, I thought it is not wise and safe to put any of my money there again, and in order to "safely" withdraw all of my money , instead of withdraw all the money at one time, I tried submit a $7000 withdrawal request the same day to test and left the rest $5000 for later withdrawal.

As all the HYIP's rules, where to invest you funds from is where to withdraw your profits to, and Poker automatics has no exception.

My funds source is from my Perfect Money(PM) account U8019013.


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According to Poker automatics rule ,there is no ways to change your payment account by yourself except writing support a mail and asking them to change this payment account for you.

Typically there is no reason to change this payment account and you even have no any reason to change your payment account if your payment account runs smoothly.

Sorry for the above lengthy details but it is very important for you to understand how this deliberately scam happened.

The same day On Sep 27 2015 after project expired, I submitted a $7000 withdrawal request .


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Sep 27 2015 was sunday, and according to their FAQs it says:

"Withdrawal can take from 1 to 5 working days from the date of registration of the application. Usually it takes less time than mentioned.This is due to the fact that all customers funds are on poker bots accounts in poker rooms and it takes some time
to transfer money."

Due to the large amounts I requested , so I patiently await my money arrive to my Perfect Money(PM) account U8019013.

On Oct 01 2015 ,Thursday, something very strange happened.

When I login Poker automatics , I found my $7000 withdrawal state already changed from "pending" to "completed".


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That means they send $7000 to my Perfect Money account U8019013, and strangely enough I didn't receive any mail as usual to notify me my money has arrived to my PM account, and after I checked my PM account found my $7000 still didn't arrive to my account U8019013.

The last time I received this kind of notice was on Sep 28 2015 as follow:


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"Received Payment 73.08 USD from account U3129564 to account U8019013. Batch: 103400931. Memo: API Payment.
Invoice 5947201, asksisk.

U3129564 is Poker automatics PM account, they always use this account to send their customers profits.
U8019013 is my PM account as mentioned above.
asksisk is my login account.

When I look into what happened with my $7000, I was astonished to find that my Poker automatics payment account was changed from original U8019013 to an unknown
account not belong to me :U9476692.


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I further checked the $7000 withdrawal  "completed state" found the $7000 was sent to an unknown PM payment account U9476692 also.


http://i61.tinypic.com/1zyc4sw.jpg


Ok, Now the truth is clear enough, someone inside Poker automatics secretly (or openly?) changed my PM payment account to an unknown account not belong to me :U9476692.

No wonder my $7000 withdrawal didn't arrive to my account U8019013, and will never ever have any chance to credit to my account.

I must say, this is totally a deliberately scam scheme, they deliberately try to make an ilusion or an excuse that my $7000 withdrawal has been sent.
(or even evil enough to claim that that unknow account U9476692 is belong to me.)

I immediately submitted a ticket and wrote to support both to ask them to give me an explanation for this very strange phenomenon.

But no any response at all.

On Oct 7 2015, my account was totally blocked, no way to login.


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Finally I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 dollars by a deliberately fraud.

Maybe someone will say something like this: you deserve this, don't you see this is highly risky HYIP ,never ever invest that you can not afford to lose.

Yes I know, no HYIP will last forever, but luckily enough, the total funds I lost there is much less than I earned there.

The main goal of my scam report is to warn everybody that my encounter is a strong sign indicating that the fate of Poker automatics is going to its end.

At first they may selectively scam the large funds such as my, and gradually medium funds fall into their victim, and finally reaching the tipping point, Poker automatics will run away with all their customers money!

Good luck everybody, no HYIP will last forever,
especially those who still invest with Poker automatics.

Stay away from Poker automatics, withdraw all your money ASAP
before it is too late !

[Spoetnik]

And this suspicion caused me starting screenshot my account and my operations from Sep 25 to Oct 07 prepared as the "proof" in case of some unexpected scam happened.
Unfortunately, my suspicion finally became a reality, and every screenshot I made became the solid proof of a deliberately selective scam.
On Sep 27 2015 when the $12000 120 days project finally expired.

your evidence is very damning of pokeram. Almost perfect.

If i was to have one suspicion of you, its in the part I quoted above. My spidey senses are tingling because its all too perfect. Considering the emails pokeram has shared it does make me wonder who is lying, looks like the perfect set-up from you OR the not so perfect defence by pokeram.

i agree with you but think of this.. he said he took out 7k and left in 5k
so what is the OP scamming for another duplicate withdrawal of 7k ?
Why would he try and take out 7k twice AND leave in 5k still ?
Recap !
He can honestly take out 12k
or
Run some elaborate scam with drama for 14k

Based on what i see here i think the OP is honestly telling his story.

He had little to gain..
Why would he kill his cash cow for a possible 2 grand ?
I believe the OP.

Also notice this site was regged in 2004.. using a hiding service.

Domain Name: POKERAM.COM
Registry Domain ID: 126162548_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.internet.bs
Registrar URL: http://www.internetbs.net
Updated Date: 2015-12-12T10:27:36Z
Creation Date: 2004-08-01T06:27:09Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2030-01-22T04:59:59Z
Registrar: Internet Domain Service BS Corp.
Registrar IANA ID: 2487
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@internet.bs
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +44.7546458118
Reseller:
Domain Status: ok - http://www.icann.org/epp#ok
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited - http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Registrant Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Registrant City: Nassau
Registrant State/Province: New Providence
Registrant Postal Code: 0000
Registrant Country: BS
Registrant Phone: +1.5163872248
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: pokeram.com-owner@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Domain Admin
Admin Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Admin Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Admin City: Nassau
Admin State/Province: New Providence
Admin Postal Code: 0000
Admin Country: BS
Admin Phone: +1.5163872248
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: pokeram.com-admin@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Whois Privacy Corp.
Tech Street: Ocean Centre, Montagu Foreshore, East Bay Street
Tech City: Nassau
Tech State/Province: New Providence
Tech Postal Code: 0000
Tech Country: BS
Tech Phone: +1.5163872248
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: pokeram.com-tech@customers.whoisprivacycorp.com
Name Server: ns1.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns2.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns3.ddos-guard.net
Name Server: ns4.ddos-guard.net
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2016-01-02T20:35:40Z <<<

The domain's been registered for 11-12 years, but has never been indexed due to robots: http://web.archive.org/web/*/pokeram.com I got an idea! Let's start an online company but don't allow the search engines to index the site, thus nobody will ever find us. But, we'll pay referral fees to an SEO expert named JEFF to created traffic for us. Genius!

Robots.txt ..hahha yeah that is funny !

And Jeff Ownby ?
Are we looking for him (or the name he switched to later) ?

And HOW legit was this guys defending it on the previous page ? LOL

Oh and those stats quoted earlier are hilarious