STOP SUPPORTING CRIMINALS AND SCAMMERS

[coldblooded]

THIS FORUM SHOULD STOP ALLOWING CRIMINALS AND SCAMMERS TO USE THIS AS A WAY TO MAKE THEIR RIP OFF THEIVING CRIMINAL OPERATIONS APPEAR MORE LEGIT  (example:  Diggit.io uses this as the "support contact" for their site which is a criminal operation that steals your deposits and doesn't let you withdraw and contacting anyone on this worthless forum just leads to a bunch of nerds responding and no response from any actual support person who operates diggit).

Your site relies on bitcoin existing, if bitcoin didn't exist this site wouldn't exist.

By facilitating bitcoin criminals and bitcoin scammers and scam sites, you are shooting yourself in the foot because eventually,  as more people find and use bitcoin, they will realize it's nothing but a medium for criminals and scam artists to rob people.   So you are just accelerating the inevitable,   the liquidation of bitcoin as a whole, and the end of this whole ridiculous crytpo fad.

And you are building animosity among the community of bitcoin users by facilitating and marking yourselves as criminals and scammers,  thus destroying your own legitimacy.

Stupid any way you look at it.

[unamis76]

You can make a post on Scam Accusations if you feel someone is scamming or wrongdoing in the forums.

[Meuh6879]

true.

[odolvlobo]

This site has 544,647 members. it can't possibly ensure that every one of them is not a scammer.

I guess this advice is too late for you:

Don't trust random anonymous strangers on the internet. They may try to steal from you.

[Slark]

To Op, bitcointalk is not Police or investigation squad created to fight crime and scammers. It is up to you to decide whether said service or person is legit enough for you to trust it. If you feel someone is a scammer just create scam accusation against said individual.

[neochiny]

looks like you just got scammed or something, but bitcointalk doesnt support scammers nor criminals
you can post on scam accusation if you feel youre getting scammed or got scammed, and if
youre thinking about arresting the scammers well that wont happen because bitcoin is a free currency
its not being controlled  by the government so if you get scammed government laws doesnt apply in bitcoin.

thats my understanding if you get scammed.

[Vika NSFW]

STOP ALLOWING CRIMINALS

How do You put people to be "criminals"?
For example -
the " free bitcoin webcam chat www.VKcams.com "
is 100% illegal in some countries like Kazakstan, China (Manland), Afganistan, Saudi Arabia...

I'm proud to be criminal, in that case.

[Slark]

STOP ALLOWING CRIMINALS

How do You put people to be "criminals"?
For example -
the " free bitcoin webcam chat www.VKcams.com "
is 100% illegal in some countries like Kazakstan, China (Manland), Afganistan, Saudi Arabia...

I'm proud to be criminal, in that case.

This is another good point. Apart from obvious and clear scams, there are situations like this ^.
And this is global forum, how we could enforce every local law on all users and try to keep all this in order? There is simply no way.

[Vika NSFW]

situations like this

People need check local law for avoid problems, for sure.

[snipie]

Coldblooded, calm down buddy 
Many users had made an investment or participated in ponzi/scam sites and got robbed without speaking about the cloudmining ones.
The key to avoid being scammed is to learn about the company & see the experience of users with it and ofc report it with a solid proofs when it turns scam! 

[bronan]

There is absolute no protection against anything related to crypto to not be a scam or a hoax.
Its like your wallet falling out of your pocket on the street, you should consider yourself lucky if one actually returns the wallet with the money in it.
But i promise you 98% of them take the money and throw away the emptied wallet.

[unholycactus]

Bitcoin is meant to create economic freedom. If you aren't responsible enough to protect yourself from scams, you should avoid using it.
As for the label people give to Bitcoin users, it doesn't matter.

People also use cash or credit fraud to commit crimes.

[bad_char5]

ITT: Guy suggests bitcointalk should not support known criminals, names a [presumably, have no idea] criminal operation as an example.
Responses range from camwhore pimping her site to "you're too stupid to use bitcoin."
Bonus: unholycactus points out that "People also use cash or credit fraud to commit crimes."

Not a single "could we stop supporting crime? Any ideas on how to go about doing it?"

[odolvlobo]

ITT: Guy suggests bitcointalk should not support known criminals, names a [presumably, have no idea] criminal operation as an example.
Responses range from camwhore pimping her site to "you're too stupid to use bitcoin."
Bonus: unholycactus points out that "People also use cash or credit fraud to commit crimes."

Not a single "could we stop supporting crime? Any ideas on how to go about doing it?"

Stop feeding them and they will go away.

[achow101]

Not a single "could we stop supporting crime? Any ideas on how to go about doing it?"

We could stop supporting crime, and I think that the mods kind of do that. I report posts of people selling illegal goods like stolen/hacked credit cards and paypal accounts and usually the thread disappears, probably to the trash can.

The problem is moderating scams. Some sites seem scammy, but aren't. Other sites might seem legit, but are actually scams. You don't know whether a site is actually a scam until it scams. Investigating scams also takes a long time. People (e.g. quickseller) spend a lot of time investigating people and sites to determine whether they are scammers or alts of scammers. If it were part of the moderator's job to do this, they wouldn't have enough time to actually do their job of moderating and cleaning up the forum.

Additionally, the threads that scammers create, and the threads for their scams, should be kept for reference and proof of the scam. They of course should be kept publicly so people can view them. However, this of course exposes more potential victims to the scams. Which is why we have the trust system. Those scammers are immediately tagged with -ve trust which becomes quite obvious and then their sites and the people themselves are no longer trusted. The scam accusation threads are also referenced in those red trusts and those also describe and prove that a scam happened. The proof itself typically also comes from the scammer's threads.

[erikalui]

It's not the forum's fault if the members here scam or commit crime but I do agree that by not banning them it can cause furthuer harm to the reputation of the forum and members as well. There have been many users who have left this forum due to this reason as everyday a new scam comes out and people are more dishonest than trusted here. The other forum I'm a part of has banned all proven scammers and hence users are more trusted there.

[jacee]

It's not like the forum is supporting these scammers. Peoples action in this forum is not moderated so the forum can't really do anything about it. Other than those people from the DT warning others of a certain scammer with their left feedbacks, there is no other way this scammers could be stopped.

It's all in our hands on how we can handle how this scammers will get to us  You could just use the ignore button and just don't lay your eyes on that scammer. That's the best thing we can do to stop them from their doing. Let's stop being naive first and less they'll realize we are not dumb enough to let them take our money.

[jaberwock]

You can make a post on Scam Accusations if you feel someone is scamming or wrongdoing in the forums.

This topic is about a request that the forum moderates scam, not a scam accusation, so it belongs here. The Diggit.io is just an example.

And scam accusations are opened only after the scam happened, so at best they are damage control. And it is far from being the most visited section in the forum.

[jacee]

You can make a post on Scam Accusations if you feel someone is scamming or wrongdoing in the forums.

This topic is about a request that the forum moderates scam, not a scam accusation, so it belongs here. The Diggit.io is just an example.

And scam accusations are opened only after the scam happened, so at best they are damage control. And it is far from being the most visited section in the forum.

It's a shame to see people ranting about these continuous scamming that happens in this forum yet they ignore the forum section dedicated to this kind of problem.

They take it as a big problem but yet they can't do their least job of contributing in busting these scammers by filling a repost in the scam accusation section.  

[bad_char5]

It's a shame to see people ranting about these continuous scamming that happens in this forum yet they ignore the forum section dedicated to this kind of problem.

Arguably, a Bitcoin discussion forum could do without gambling, ponzi promotion, selling of warez and stolen gift cards, hacked/farmed bitcointalk accounts, etc., etc.
Just spitballing here...