Saudi Arabian employer accused of chopping off Indian maid’s hand

[BADecker]

Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

The trouble is that by supporting a regime, we automatically become at least partially culpable for whatever actions they take.  It's not just the nation of Saudi Arabia where we (the U.S.) defile ourselves in this manner, but they are one of the most egregious examples.  As far as I can tell we do less than zero to influence them to adhere to practices which approach human decency.  If we wanted to just cut them loose to fend for themselves (e.g., North Korea), that's a different thing.  A trade of them making some minimal progress toward being human fuckin' beings in exchange for our support seems fair to me.

I get it. It is your law to change the laws of other nations if you don't like their laws, and especially if you don't like them obeying their laws. Sounds like you are aggressively looking for war.

[tvbcof]

Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

The trouble is that by supporting a regime, we automatically become at least partially culpable for whatever actions they take.  It's not just the nation of Saudi Arabia where we (the U.S.) defile ourselves in this manner, but they are one of the most egregious examples.  As far as I can tell we do less than zero to influence them to adhere to practices which approach human decency.  If we wanted to just cut them loose to fend for themselves (e.g., North Korea), that's a different thing.  A trade of them making some minimal progress toward being human fuckin' beings in exchange for our support seems fair to me.

I get it. It is your law to change the laws of other nations if you don't like their laws, and especially if you don't like them obeying their laws. Sounds like you are aggressively looking for war.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like you 'get it' very much.  I'll say again, I'm happy to leave people to their own devices and ignore them in the case that they don't pose a threat to me.  If not 'happy', than at least I find it an acceptable and appropriate course of action.  If people are receiving support that ultimately comes out of my pocket, then I see no problem with asking them to reciprocate in one way or another which is to my liking.

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price.  My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter.   That is, 'Yeah!'

[BADecker]

Come on you guys. If it is the law of their land, it is the law.

You don't see them coming over here and imposing their law on us. Why do you want to impose your/our law on them?

Give them the freedom to obey their laws just like they give us the freedom to obey our law.

The trouble is that by supporting a regime, we automatically become at least partially culpable for whatever actions they take.  It's not just the nation of Saudi Arabia where we (the U.S.) defile ourselves in this manner, but they are one of the most egregious examples.  As far as I can tell we do less than zero to influence them to adhere to practices which approach human decency.  If we wanted to just cut them loose to fend for themselves (e.g., North Korea), that's a different thing.  A trade of them making some minimal progress toward being human fuckin' beings in exchange for our support seems fair to me.

I get it. It is your law to change the laws of other nations if you don't like their laws, and especially if you don't like them obeying their laws. Sounds like you are aggressively looking for war.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like you 'get it' very much.  I'll say again, I'm happy to leave people to their own devices and ignore them in the case that they don't pose a threat to me.  If not 'happy', than at least I find it an acceptable and appropriate course of action.  If people are receiving support that ultimately comes out of my pocket, then I see no problem with asking them to reciprocate in one way or another which is to my liking.

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price.  My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter.   That is, 'Yeah!'

You might simply stop supporting them.   

[bryant.coleman]

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price.  My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter.   That is, 'Yeah!'

Even I despise the Saudi royal family. But I am not stupid enough to support a war against them. In the past 10-15 years, they have accumulated hundreds of billions of USD worth of weapons from the United States and other NATO member nations. Although I don't think that they will be able to use these weapons 100% effectively (due to lack of training), an attacking side is likely to face huge loses, in terms of both men and equipment.

[anthonycamp]

justice between rich and poor in this case does not even exist. and from man to women even less

[tvbcof]

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price.  My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter.   That is, 'Yeah!'

Even I despise the Saudi royal family. But I am not stupid enough to support a war against them. In the past 10-15 years, they have accumulated hundreds of billions of USD worth of weapons from the United States and other NATO member nations. Although I don't think that they will be able to use these weapons 100% effectively (due to lack of training), an attacking side is likely to face huge loses, in terms of both men and equipment.

If I were running things any hardware we sent to the Saudi's which was more complex than a flashlight would be backdoor'd.  For the sake of analysis I typically assume that people who are making these decisions is smarter than me, but it's not exactly clear.  The wildcard would be how effectively the Chinese have reverse-engineered the various black-boxes in the F-16's and what-not to get the systems back on-line again.  But even that probably would not matter very much.  Like China, the U.S., and pretty much every other nuclear power, the primary threat to the leadership are their domestic populations.  The Saudi RF would have to find people to fix and fly the airplanes and man the AA systems and such.  I would suggest they don't waste time hiring foreign mercenaries for such duties if they have not already.

BTW, I would not underestimate the skills and training of some of the Saudi personnel.  IIRC the first pilot that shot down multiple enemy in Gulf-I was a Saudi.  Of course it is quite possible if not likely that the story was a completely fabricated event as were many of the other offerings from the mainstream media at the time.  I was paying some attention to the details back then as a (fairly unwilling) participant.

[bryant.coleman]

^^^^ The Saudis are improving on their fighting skills for quite sometime, after realizing that their billion dollar weapons will be useless if they don't know how to use them. This improvement has been noticed by many, during their recent (mis)adventure in Yemen. The Saudi bombing campaign has been quite effective, and has managed to push back the Houthis. But the big question is whether they will be equally successful, against a more skilled enemy (Iran for example)?

[BADecker]

I'm not 'looking for war' with Saudi Arabia, but if misfortune befell their Royal Family I would not shed any tears, and I personally would consider higher gas prices to be an acceptable price.  My reaction would be similar to when I watch a youtube vid of some gas station robber getting his balls shot off by the woman behind the counter.   That is, 'Yeah!'

Even I despise the Saudi royal family. But I am not stupid enough to support a war against them. In the past 10-15 years, they have accumulated hundreds of billions of USD worth of weapons from the United States and other NATO member nations. Although I don't think that they will be able to use these weapons 100% effectively (due to lack of training), an attacking side is likely to face huge loses, in terms of both men and equipment.

Ever heard of income taxes? If you pay them, you don't know what you are supporting. If you work on a job that produces military equipment, you don't know for sure who you are supporting.

Taxes are not itemized for you so that you know what you paid for with yours. Nor do you ever see the return that you personally received for your taxes paid. Maybe you didn't get anything in return. Maybe the nation would be more secure without your tax payment, and U.S. involvement in the ME.