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October 26, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
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It might be titled: "An Occupy Wallstreet Manifesto: Bitcoin ends the FED"
I realize that folks are writing "how to" books and blogs, but we need something politically based in layman's terms that promotes Bitcoin as a means to reform the economy. A pamphlet roughly 10-20 pages would be enough to provide the graphs and illustrations. We could then place a bulk order for printing and if they are cheap enough, they can be passed out freely.

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October 26, 2012, 03:14:10 PM
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Good idea. Go right ahead.
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October 26, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
Last edit: October 26, 2012, 03:30:14 PM by BCB
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I totally agree but with the exception of  the 99%/1% message which was genius, Occupy Wall street we essentially a disaster.  I did read something interesting  recently.  I'll post it if I can find it again.

EDIT: Found it

“Bitcoin and state banking systems are born enemies: only one can survive. If you are imagining that they can peacefully coexist, you are fooling yourself.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/10/04/bitcoin-prevents-monetary-tyranny/

This article is making a profound statement.  The baby steps bitcoin is making at the junction of bitcoin and fiat with bitinstant, bitcoin cards cards, etc are just that, a  toddler striving to find his footing in a strange new world.

But to survive and flourish  bitcoin is going to have to bypass and eventually destroy the current traditional banking system.

 
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October 26, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
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This is THE Manifesto against the Fed.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519

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October 26, 2012, 08:13:48 PM
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we have stated to gather some arguments how (not) to regulate bitcoin - this could be a useful starting point:

http://bitcoin-austria.at/wiki/Bitcoin_position_paper

we would be happy for feedback and support in improving the document
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October 26, 2012, 09:38:21 PM
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Done correctly, I see this getting legs.

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October 27, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
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cbeast

I totally agree but with the exception of  the 99%/1% message which was genius, Occupy Wall street we essentially a disaster.  I did read something interesting  recently.  I'll post it if I can find it again.

EDIT: Found it

“Bitcoin and state banking systems are born enemies: only one can survive. If you are imagining that they can peacefully coexist, you are fooling yourself.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/10/04/bitcoin-prevents-monetary-tyranny/

This article is making a profound statement.  The baby steps bitcoin is making at the junction of bitcoin and fiat with bitinstant, bitcoin cards cards, etc are just that, a  toddler striving to find his footing in a strange new world.

But to survive and flourish  bitcoin is going to have to bypass and eventually destroy the current traditional banking system.

 

Its a little like saying youtube must destroy television, email must destroy mail, cars must destroy trains, cellphone cameras must destroy digital cameras.
It might happen in the long run, in 200 years there will be no banks, but there is no must, right here right now.








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October 27, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
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Good point but you do realize the the us postal service and amtrack are running at billion dollars deficits and are only in business because of federal subsidies.  You do know that the 100 year old much revered company kodak went out of business last year.
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October 28, 2012, 04:28:15 AM
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I just want to be clear that this isn't against banks themselves, but only those special private (central) banks given the monopoly of controlling the creation and distribution of money independently of government. This practice is simply morally wrong and until Bitcoin, there was no vaccine for this disease. Weak governments that allow these banksters to corrupt their public legislators will finally have a firewall against their intrusion into policy making.

P.S. Why isn't Banksy promoting Bitcoin?

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October 28, 2012, 11:29:57 AM
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@Cbeast, may I suggest you start a wiki page for your manifesto idea. That way people can add to your ideas. This thread would also further the discussion for Bitcion manifesto ideas. Good luck. I'll be watching.

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October 28, 2012, 07:15:50 PM
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we have stated to gather some arguments how (not) to regulate bitcoin - this could be a useful starting point:

http://bitcoin-austria.at/wiki/Bitcoin_position_paper

we would be happy for feedback and support in improving the document

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We identify the following issues as positive to the development innovative services:

  • Clarification of Bitcoin as a currency, because it currently fits neither e-money nor foreign currency definitions. This also means that the trade of Bitcoins is not subject to VAT, but rather their usage in other transactions.
  • Non-discrimination of Bitcoin businesses and startups when trying to interact with traditional banking systems
  • Adoption of national guidelines on how to correctly use Bitcoin as a vendor, both online and offline
  • Generous discretionary margins w.r.t regulation in many areas for new Bitcoin businesses
  • Clear definition of Bitcoin as a valuable good, so that fraud and theft can be prosecuted like with any other good or currency

+1 for the wiki, here is my feedback:
There is a lot of not clear technicalities in how to enforce laws related to property and assets in Bitcoin world, e.g. it's not easy to prove that transfer of value took place between two specific people. Therefore before any law could be applied to Bitcoin a new technical tools are required. For example, proposal by Gavin with a feature that will make it possible to prove that a merchant received bitcoins from customer and that bitcoins weren't sent to some random address, discussion thread.
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January 05, 2013, 04:29:59 AM
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Done correctly, I see this getting legs.

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For only a second time I've added an item to my watch list (Oybee.com thread), and opt to see what's happening with this one. Just curious as to updates.

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January 07, 2013, 04:17:03 PM
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Bitcoin deserves a manifesto that is as disruptive as the technology itself. I'm still conceptualizing as I learn more about Trade, and it's patron saint Economics.

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January 12, 2013, 03:59:50 PM
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I am angry now. This is good for writing. It makes me focus. Screw the banksters. Game on.

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January 16, 2013, 09:34:24 PM
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I +1 this, its simple math really. Educate people on howto use it and further educate them on keeping it secure.... presto.

Everyone yaks on about howto get merchants to accept it as a form of payment for items and services. The keystone is the general public. If 1 in 20 use it what's the point in accepting it?

I myself promote it locally. Some may find where I've talked of my efforts on this fourm. I've used NMC as the gateway however. Some will disagree with this method of showmenship but for a group of Linux geeks having a coffee shop meetup. It's a resurgence the groups activity. When I gave my first talk on it the group had around 8 people show. next meeting the waynes world effect had occurred. They told two friends and so on.

We had three intro to cryptocoin meetings. The idle time between meetings the members did research themselves and that allowed for some outstanding movement in the right direction.

Best part was the little mom and pop coffee shop here in a county of 24k adopted Bitcoin as a payment method. Most of this groups membership frequent the shop and what have you! They pay for the addictive sticky buns and java with Bitcoin!

Long story short I do believe if this community had something like this it would be great material to send abroad to not only Linux groups but clubs or organizations in general.

Can you imagine the Shriners or even something like The Boy Scouts Of America takeing Bitcoin donations? Think of magnitude of that world wide waynes world effect
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