Faucets - Re-investment - Trading [20 DOGE added]

[winspiral]

I destroyed vip shares twice and it was not added to my account. It means your site is worth less than you claim since we need to claim free shares but then sell them so we need to do two items to earn 800 Satoshi.  How come the vip shares I destroyed aren't added to my balance

I will check it...but I doubt you are right because it works since the start.

So...
when you destroy:
your vip balance decreases amount claim base
your pending investment balance increasesamount claim base
your pending investment balance increases amount vip destroy bonus
and your profit was...0.0000115815 BTC (1158.15 satoshi in shares)

Where do you see two items to earn 800 satoshi?

In previous post (23 August)

your account is worth 27000 px or so...

Now I see 31000px or so...
do you believe you need 2 items to earn 800 satoshi?

[Johnny00]

How do i get value from the 31000 account value, is it just when i sell shares now?

[winspiral]

How do i get value from the 31000 account value, is it just when i sell shares now?

when you sell shares or when the system gives cash back or dividends.
The "job" is to get the maximum profit at the end...
selling is quick payout
best profit depends on what other people do and how much dividends are paid.
The bonus do matter as well.
All I am saying here is "deductible" on the site.
As I said...the bonusses change...it's the game...

[antiuser1]

The "job" is to get the maximum profit at the end...

When is the end?

[winspiral]

The "job" is to get the maximum profit at the end...

When is the end?

We have different ends...

I hope never by accident...
The end can be done by me...i hope long in the future...(I'm 64)
But the end can be programmed by the member heself by stopplng claiming

But do not worry...the end is not yet programmed by me.
at the end...perhaps a wrong translation from French to English

I see that "in fine" is as well used in English...
So ...I would say:
Choice the option to have the best profit "in fine".

[winspiral]

I feel it is not very clear for most of u2 system users.

The problem is it is very very clear for me...
So I do not know about what I could clear up...

To "image" a situation,I like give an extrême situation.

Let's suppose a member try to claim only vipshares and if he get pending payout satoshi he reinvest them.
He does so "only" and for ever.
Hes account will grow and grow and grow...
But he will certainly  never get or seldomly a payout.

Remember that if you claim daily vip share during 5 years you need perhaps 5 years to change them in normal shares if claim base does not change.

if many users do like you...the vipbonus will be very low because it depends on the number of vip claiming.

Remember:
it's a game "market regulated"
Feel free to ask question about if it is not clear.

[antiuser1]

I do understand, but I still see a long term advantage in vipshares. Anyway, I will change my strategy at some point

[winspiral]

I do understand, but I still see a long term advantage in vipshares. Anyway, I will change my strategy at some point

if you see a long term advantage in vipshares you are more or less wrong or right because it is depending on what other people do.
let's suppose that many many people claim the vipshares:
then the vipclaim bonus will be very low and the investment will rise...so the dividends rate can decrease.

Selling share can be not interesting because sold shares make no profit...ok...but if never sell...the sell bonus will go very up...

To be honnest I have so fare not taken the time to analyse which claim option is the best because I'm not concerned.

I agree that it is not an easy game for people who want trying to get the best profit from the system.

Soon all investors who have invested from their poket will see a profit.
Some have invested and were absolutly inactive.This has not helped much the system.(But thanks for their trust)
I recall:it's not a ponzi sheme.
No need to attract new members to pay the old ones.
But never forgot one thing:
The automatic cashback is slow and not for vipshares.
So if you spend 1 year to collect vipshares...
you will need more or less the same time to transform them in normal shares and then time if you decide to sell them.

I would not like being taken for a scammer because users have not understood the system.

It is the same with the captcha shares:

Number total of captcha solved and not sold: 834 .
Captcha value : 7.1641558753E-7
Captcha share pot: 0.0005974906
Total sold captcha shares value: 0.0004683352
Value generated(Captcha share pot)+(Total sold captcha shares value)=0.0010658258 BTC

Do not believe it is nothing.
The captcha share price is fluctuating...it can go up and down.I'm sure all members have not understood the captcha system.
it is hard to see if it is better to sell or rebuy...but one thing is sure:
We can see that it was some time ago worth to sell.
...
Follow the captchashare's price on the graph and you will see if you have managed for the best.

[antiuser1]

So if you spend 1 year to collect vipshares...
you will need more or less the same time to transform them in normal shares and then time if you decide to sell them.

Assuming the claim base stays the same, I would need more than a year, because of the reinvest dividend. Theoretically, one can reach a point were complete cash back of the VIP shares is impossible. This happens when reinvest dividend exceeds the claim base. But even in this case, VIP shares generate a dividend, so there is still profit.

[winspiral]

So if you spend 1 year to collect vipshares...
you will need more or less the same time to transform them in normal shares and then time if you decide to sell them.

Assuming the claim base stays the same, I would need more than a year, because of the reinvest dividend. Theoretically, one can reach a point were complete cash back of the VIP shares is impossible. This happens when reinvest dividend exceeds the claim base. But even in this case, VIP shares generate a dividend, so there is still profit.

you are right...
I went not in details...it was just to point that vipshares are not "liquid" cash.
When you decide to transform vip shares in shares and thenin  satoshi...
the destroy bonus and the sell bonus matter much as well.
Nowadays...if you sell shares you have more shares after selling than before...
This situation can not be for long if many shares are sold...

I agree...even for "little shareholders"...empty an account is not easy because when you sell you get bonus.

Sellings are seldome...it is why the bonus is high.
I have not analysed if selling is a good option.

Any way...5 options...5 different ways to earn more or less...

Assuming the claim base stays the same

We cannot forecast the claimbase because it depends a little on the income and much on the number of claimers.

If many claimers the claim base will decrease.
On the other side many claimers should increase the global part I can offer for reinvestment and dividends.


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All members have been paid out following the payout rules.
if you have over 10000 satoshi pending you can request an earlier payout.
I do not recommand you this possibility because it is an advantage to be paid more than 10000 satoshi by normal way.
of course if you have no dust fees...you can ask...(even if it makes me special work)

[winspiral]

payout will be made following the payout rules within 7 days.
I recall that if you have over 10000 satoshi pending payout you can ask for an earlier payout.

@ Johnny00
I see you among the payoutable members...you will see your satoshi soon.
... ... you should now see your 10000 satoshi in your wallet...

Few members have been paid out...next ones ASAP (within the payout rules period)

[Johnny00]

Yes I got it thanks. Can you tell me how dividends work? And how much I can expect to receive? 

What value is there to reinvest?

Thanks again.

[winspiral]

Yes I got it thanks. Can you tell me how dividends work? And how much I can expect to receive?  

What value is there to reinvest?

Thanks again.

you'r welcome...and you very certainly will get other payout in the future because you earn even a little during your sleep.

I can not tell you how much you can expect...
but you can see on


 ROI HISTORY
 VIP ROI HISTORY

pages(in the left menu)
exactly how much "1" made and it depended on my incomes.

Your "work" is to chose among the 5 options which option is the best and suits you the best...
The most used option is as well the option who get the least bonus...
For example:
If people only sell shares...the bonus will become very low...it will then certainly be uninteresting to sell.
If people only reinvest or claim vipshares,the bonus will be very low for reinvesting and vipshares...and the amount of pending investment very high.

If I have daily 100000 satoshi for dividends...
If global investment is 0.1 or 0.2 the ROI is not the same.

As you can see...market regulated system is special...but with market regulated system we are sure having a healthy econnomy.
You must know that about dividends nothing is sure,because if I have "NO INCOME" I cannot offer dividends.

It happens that some days I have incomes close to nothing...


EDITION:
All members have been paid out following the payout's rules.

[winspiral]

Total accounts:286 accounts.
Total value claimed for free:0.01904062 BTC
Total value invested:0.41056962 BTC
Total value pending investment:0.0511258236 BTC
Total value VIP shares:0.00586054 BTC

(total value VIP shares + total value pending investment)=0.0569863636 BTC

Total pending payout:0.0078406844 BTC
Total payout:0.43706670 BTC
Number of claiming:2283 times
Number of selling:109 times.
Number of re-invest:317 times.
Number of VIP claiming:732 times.
Number of VIP destroying:107 times.
Regulated total claims:16482 times.
Selling bonus:151.211009174%
Claiming bonus:7.21944809461%
Re-invest bonus:151.993690852%
VIP bonus:22.5163934426%
Destroy bonus:154.037383178%

Number of solved captchas:886 times.
Captcha share pot: 0.0006507691
captcha value : 7.34502370203E-7

We can see without doubt that the u2 faucet is one among the best rewarded faucet systems.

Have fun.

[winspiral]

All members have been paid out following the payout rules.

Recall:
if you want earlier payout...you can ask it if you have over 10000 satoshi pending payout.

What can I say more?

Among the 10 last claims we have:
7 vipshares claim
2 re-investment claim
1 simple shares claim

I have not analyzed that if it is the best doing...
but it shows that members trust in the system

It is illogic claiming vip shares and re-investment if one does not trust in the system.

I repeat it once again:
It's a strategic game where it is impossible to lose...you can just earn more or less.

But do not forget:
Each claim option is different and has a different effect of profit and you only know the instant profit.

A big thank at the members who help the captcha pot to grow with the captcha booster.

Do not believe that the captcha game is flat...
The reward is always a captcha share...but all the members do not make the same profit.
Because it depends on when the captcha shares are sold or rebought (if you rebuy)

If you analyze the graphic of captcha share price you see that it was interesting to sell at the start...now it is hard graphically to decide if it is better to sell or better to rebuy...

Do not forget that 10% fees are applied (fees are re-injected in captcha pot)(fees are not for winspiral's poket)(lol)
Intempestive buy and rebuy is of course not a good strategy...
I recall as well that only sold captchashares make dividends(for a while because they are cashbacked by the system for satoshi or perhaps by yourself when you sell shares.
If you rebuy captcha shares...the price can fall...it's the risk by trading.
I recall as well that you can only rebuy captcha share if you have sell captcha shares before...
I have programmed so to avoid that people invest to much in captcha shares...so they are limited within the sold captcha shares and so can only maximum loose the earned amount...

Have fun...

[winspiral]

How much have you taken for the fidelity bonus?

The fidelity bonus can become a very important part of the system.
let's suppose that many people are intersted of the easy earning...
then the claim base will certainly decrease...
but the fidelity bonus will then increase...
yes it is so with a market regulated system...
you can follow the global fidelity bonus there:

http://u2cloudmining.winspiral.net/fidelity.php

[winspiral]

Have you noticed?
it is now possible to earn extra captcha shares...
By the way:
follow the captcha price on sell or rebauy shares...it is important to see the evolution...

[winspiral]

All investors have been paid out following the payout rules.

[winspiral]

here you can see if it was interesting to sell or rebuy captcha shares:

http://u2cloudmining.winspiral.net/capsell.php

We can see that it was interestilg to sell some time ago...

now it is only a question of feeling...

if you sell captcha shares you pay 10% fees...
(I recall that origilal captchashares are earned for free)
fees goes in captcha share pot...

yor sold captcha shares are then normal shares...
the normal shares make dividend...

So if the captcha shares price does not increase more then the dividends make...it was better you have sold...

We can see that each member can try to earn more.
but it is not easy to chose the best possibility.

Any way...so long you have not sold your captcha shares you have not earned from them.
The risk is that the price falls...and then you earn less if you sell.

Have fun...

[winspiral]

So far 288 users have used or use the U2 system.
All is working perfectly.
System makes profit and it is shared among the members.

You are the shareholders and you manage your account.
Each member earn differently because the site is market regulated.
After each claim or income of the site the reward per claim changes...
Do not forget that you have 5 claim options...
Is the "best instant earning" the "best real earning"?
I do not know...it would be to easy If we knew...

Just remember that what you see on your account is what you well get and even more...
Never forget it.

Do not hear of people saying you it is waste of time...
You are enough clever to think of yourself...
You see how much (minimum) you can earn after each claim...
So you can take your decision yourself.

But i would add one thing:
many people claim 8000 satoshi or so and then stop claiming...
this is not a good attitude...with few claims more...they would see soon or later bur surely 10000 satoshi in their wallet...

If you want be sure earning fast 10000 satoshi:
you claim for free shares and you sell them so often as possible.
if you have sold them,you claim again shares for free and you sold them so often as possible...
so it is impossible NOT to get 10000 satoshi fast.

Many people have start so...
And after several payouts they have changed the mind...they claim now vip shares or reinvest because they trust ...

My advice is to do so you feel it...

Other users manage differently:
Once they have claimed for free some shares and vip shares...the use the "best instant profit" page.
It's a strategy among other ones...

Remember you are the manager of your account...