$200 Amazon Gift Card {Sold To: Projects}

[Kalm]

Sold to the excellent user Projects

Hey everyone

I'd like to exchange a $200 Amazon GC for BTC.  I'd prefer to work with someone who is very reputable as I'm fairly new. However, if you are also trying to establish your reputation we can use one of the bitcoin escrow sites recommended throughout the forum.

I'd prefer this to be a 1:1 exchange, but if necessary we can negotiate other deals.  Please post here or PM me.

Thanks

Sold to the excellent user Projects

[Kalm]

Currently engaged in a deal with the user Projects.  He has received the gift card, but will not be sending the coins until his items are shipped. Although I do have proof the credit card used was mine he is still under the assumption I could be defrauding him, I guess?

Let me make this clear: I do NOT think Projects is a scammer at this point. I just find his relaxed nature, and wait time very unsettling.

I will keep this updated -- with what I can only assume will be positive results!


Thanks and hope everyone is having a great day,

Kalm

[Projects]

Currently engaged in a deal with the user Projects.  He has received the gift card, but will not be sending the coins until his items are shipped. Although I do have proof the credit card used was mine he is still under the assumption I could be defrauding him, I guess?

Let me make this clear: I do NOT think Projects is a scammer at this point. I just find his relaxed nature, and wait time very unsettling.

I will keep this updated -- with what I can only assume will be positive results!


Thanks and hope everyone is having a great day,

Kalm

Hi Kalm,
As I stated in my PMs with yourself it is not personal - just taking measures to protect myself due to your relatively new registration date and low post count.
I have nothing but positive transactions on this forum and many many people who can vouch for my honesty.
I will send the BTC the second I get confirmation from Amazon that the goods have been despatched and once again i apologise that you find this unsettling however I did say before we even agreed to conduct the transaction that I would pay once the goods have been shipped.
The order has been placed with Amazon and the esimated despatch date is tomorrow - so hopefully either today or tomorrow I will be able to send your BTC as promised.

Kind Regards,
Projects

[ataranlen]

In the future, I would suggest the use of Escrow. 

[Stephen Gornick]

In the future, I would suggest the use of Escrow.  

Well, that's not always necessary.  If a seller does not yet have trust but the buyer does the seller might be willing to proceed with the transaction without an escrow as the buyer is the history shows the buyer is very likely to pay or at least likely to be rational and reasonable should any dispute arise.

This might be a problem though:

I did say before we even agreed to conduct the transaction that I would pay once the goods have been shipped.

The Secure Trading article on the Bitcoin wiki addresses this:

Make sure both parties agree to the terms of the trade with signed messages

Get a PGP signed quote, and check the signature.
Send a PGP signed receipt.

This allows either party to go public if the trade has become sour and stops your trading partner from claiming the details of the agreement were somehow different.

- http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Secure_Trading#Use_Bitcoin-OTC

In this instance, I'm presuming there was no agreement that was signed.  If there had been, the seller probably would not have implied that the buyer wasn't following the agreement, and the buyer would have had proof, signed by the seller, that the agreement most definitely allowed the buyer to withhold payment until the order from Amazon has shipped.

[Projects]

Honestly I do not think the seller is implying I am not following the agreement as this is part of a pm he sent to me:

"You are right though post count wise I am relatively new, but I have been registered for a while, and you did say you would be waiting until the items shipped."

I think he is just more anxious about having to wait - which I understand however I was clear before we agreed the transaction and he did seem to realise this as quoted above.

Providing Amazon despatch the goods I will make the payment swiftly and in full to the BTC address the seller has provided - I just had to take these measures because of the reasons I said - I did not want the gc to be fraudulent and Amazon not despatch the goods I lose the BTC.

I have done many transactions on this forum and never had a single problem - transactions amounting to thousands of dollars.

There will not be an issue from me provided there is no issue with the seller - which I do not believe there will be, but better safe than sorry.

[austin]

I can vouch for Projects. I've sold to him before and everything went well.

[Kalm]

It's fine.  Projects said Amazon stated a 24 hour turnaround shipping time and I am an Amazon freak so it will ship within 24 hours -- which is within the next 2-3 hours.  Like I said I have documentation the credit card I used was mine which is what causes this entire situation to be a headache. I can understand being weary of someone with a low post count and not being willing to be as transparent as I have been.  So, we will see here in the next 3 hours if I get my coins.

I still have never implied anything negative concerning the user Projects. Actually s/he came back into the thread and felt the need to copy and paste a private message of ours in order to what seems defend himself.  Let it be known this user has not done anything wrong as of yet.  S/he just needs to realize not everyone in the world is a scammer and when a credit card, amazon statement, and drivers license all match-up fraud is a lot less inevitable.

Either way! No big deal as of yet.

I will update this thread once I receive the $180 worth of coins.

Thanks and Happy Halloween!

Kalm

[Projects]

Goods were shipped from Amazon this morning so I have sent the BTC as requested.

Mtgox Average = 11.08547 so $180 / 11.08547 = 16.23874564711401

Transaction ID: 116afc8ae34b78a34affc99a09057aa6c04e2ddb1ed170d9e07f1aaacb039217

Once again I am sorry for the frustration you felt with the delay but I hope you understand why I had to do this.

Kind Regards,
Projects

[Kalm]

Everything went fine. As I told Projects in a private conversation this was nothing personal. We were both simply looking out for our best interests on a message board that has sadly become infested with scammers.  Now that I know Projects is a stand-up individual & and that he lives in the country I've done close to 30 hours of undergraduate research on I would encourage everyone to work with him if they have the chance.  He stands by his word, communicates quickly and clearly, and is extremely patient.

Thanks again Projects!