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October 18, 2015, 08:58:42 PM
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there is this user xetr or xetsr who left me a feedback which is quite stupid since i did a trade with the person who supposedly was my alt when i was still a newbie on the forum (few months ago)

i would like that handled please. thanks
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October 18, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
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Then send Xetsr a PM and get it sorted out. There is nothing the forum can do to help you; trust isn't moderated.
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I doubt he'll remove it, but--

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October 18, 2015, 10:01:46 PM
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You've been here for a while now and you still don't know the rules?
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19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).
This explains it properly. No exceptions for single ratings.
What about a person randomly spam/leave a negative trust to many members?
I mean for example a user come in this topic and give all of us a negative trust writing: ''he took 1000btc  without returning it'' and repeat the same sentence for more than 10 members.
Should we report him?  Or just neglect him since he will not affect our trust points?



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October 18, 2015, 10:04:17 PM
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What about a person randomly spam/leave a negative trust to many members?
I mean for example a user come in this topic and give all of us a negative trust writing: ''he took 1000btc  without returning it'' and repeat the same sentence for more than 10 members.
Should we report him?  Or just neglect him since he will not affect our trust points?
Unless it is some bot, spamming it a lot of times on a lot of members, then I doubt that there would be a intervention. This is why feedback is left under 'Untrusted feedback' by default. In order for your feedback to be seen or have an affect (with the default trust list) you have to be in Depth 2 (i.e. under a member from Depth 1). If you abuse your position your would probably get removed by the person above you.

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October 18, 2015, 10:25:15 PM
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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.

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October 18, 2015, 10:33:06 PM
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What about a person randomly spam/leave a negative trust to many members?
I mean for example a user come in this topic and give all of us a negative trust writing: ''he took 1000btc  without returning it'' and repeat the same sentence for more than 10 members.
Should we report him?  Or just neglect him since he will not affect our trust points?
Unless it is some bot, spamming it a lot of times on a lot of members, then I doubt that there would be a intervention. This is why feedback is left under 'Untrusted feedback' by default. In order for your feedback to be seen or have an affect (with the default trust list) you have to be in Depth 2 (i.e. under a member from Depth 1). If you abuse your position your would probably get removed by the person above you.
example liveandlove15 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=559098 left 10 negative senseless and legal basis
feedback, it is not necessary  a intervention?

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October 18, 2015, 10:52:43 PM
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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.


considering your trust score you should sit in the naughty corner for a moment Smiley
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October 18, 2015, 10:56:43 PM
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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.


considering your trust score you should sit in the naughty corner for a moment Smiley
My trust score is off topic and has nothing to do with your negative trust. However the fact that you bring it up generally is going to mean that your negative trust is legitimate (or at least that there is a high chance that you are w scammer, or at least that I should look into you being a scammer which I did and I concluded that there is a high chance that you are a scammer).

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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.


considering your trust score you should sit in the naughty corner for a moment Smiley
My trust score is off topic and has nothing to do with your negative trust. However the fact that you bring it up generally is going to mean that your negative trust is legitimate (or at least that there is a high chance that you are w scammer, or at least that I should look into you being a scammer which I did and I concluded that there is a high chance that you are a scammer).

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October 18, 2015, 11:05:57 PM
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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.


considering your trust score you should sit in the naughty corner for a moment Smiley
why you do not take --Encrypted-- advice , and do not show transaction tx,
instead of harassing others.

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October 18, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.


considering your trust score you should sit in the naughty corner for a moment Smiley
why you do not take --Encrypted-- advice , and do not show transaction tx,
instead of harassing others.

because any dumb idiot acting like a cop cannot possibly just bother other people and posting accusations without any and i mean ANY proper proof.

this is one thing i dont understand with this forum, its a forum right? right? RIGHT? then why do people act like this forum is all they have left in their life?
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October 18, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
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For those wondering: Check the post history of the accounts and you'll notice a lot of similarities. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing here as it would be pointless. Guy is just mad that he fucked up and now the hero account he bought is useless.

Negative feedback will not be removed. Don't like it? Message whoever readded me to the DT list (FYI- I never asked to be readded).

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October 18, 2015, 11:42:18 PM
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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.


considering your trust score you should sit in the naughty corner for a moment Smiley
My trust score is off topic and has nothing to do with your negative trust. However the fact that you bring it up generally is going to mean that your negative trust is legitimate (or at least that there is a high chance that you are w scammer, or at least that I should look into you being a scammer which I did and I concluded that there is a high chance that you are a scammer).

euuhh... okaay. your country needs more detectives like you. have a good one
The US does need more detectives like me, however that is not the industry that I currently work in, and I have very little interest in law enforcement, so I doubt that I will ever become a detective.

I do not think that xetsr is wrong about this one. Some leaps do need to be made to make his conclusion, however I think more likely then not he is going to be correct, and I think that the community will overall be better off with it being warned to be cautious when dealing with you.

Even without your negative trust it would be advisable to use escrow when dealing with you (although you may have been able to trick new users to send first to you), and with his trust others will still trade with you, although they will most likely demand escrow. So xetsr's negative trust is not going to affect you except if your plan was to try to scam someone Roll Eyes

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October 18, 2015, 11:45:34 PM
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this is one thing i dont understand with this forum, its a forum right? right? RIGHT? then why do people act like this forum is all they have left in their life?

indeed it is. but then why are you so mad? it's not like people are trying to dox you or anything.

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October 18, 2015, 11:51:10 PM
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this is one thing i dont understand with this forum, its a forum right? right? RIGHT? then why do people act like this forum is all they have left in their life?

indeed it is. but then why are you so mad? it's not like people are trying to dox you or anything.

if i come on your profile and post a couple or alt accusation, would you like it? if yes ok ill do it in a few minutes, if not, then when you dont like it on your account, why should i like it on mine?
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October 18, 2015, 11:54:20 PM
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Xetsr is 100% spot on regarding netpyder and nor9865 without any doubt. 

You were defending them in a scam accusation thread and just so happened to trade with the both of them (well you received positive trust from them), so I would say that it would be fairly certain that you are the same person.

I would say that as of when all the positive trust was left, your account was controlled by the same person that xetsr was saying that you were an alt of.

I also have my doubts of being able to produce evidence that the trades your feedback profile claim to have done actually took place, although evidence of such trades is not necessarily evidence of innocence.


considering your trust score you should sit in the naughty corner for a moment Smiley
My trust score is off topic and has nothing to do with your negative trust. However the fact that you bring it up generally is going to mean that your negative trust is legitimate (or at least that there is a high chance that you are w scammer, or at least that I should look into you being a scammer which I did and I concluded that there is a high chance that you are a scammer).

euuhh... okaay. your country needs more detectives like you. have a good one
The US does need more detectives like me, however that is not the industry that I currently work in, and I have very little interest in law enforcement, so I doubt that I will ever become a detective.

I do not think that xetsr is wrong about this one. Some leaps do need to be made to make his conclusion, however I think more likely then not he is going to be correct, and I think that the community will overall be better off with it being warned to be cautious when dealing with you.

Even without your negative trust it would be advisable to use escrow when dealing with you (although you may have been able to trick new users to send first to you), and with his trust others will still trade with you, although they will most likely demand escrow. So xetsr's negative trust is not going to affect you except if your plan was to try to scam someone Roll Eyes

refer to my past post about losing 5 btc in a stupid address change where i even gave my pmc to YOU quickseller, refer to my just new paypal account sale which i DEMANDED escrow. netpyder said its not a problem for escrow or no escrow so the deal went on and was smooth.
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October 18, 2015, 11:56:55 PM
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For those wondering: Check the post history of the accounts and you'll notice a lot of similarities. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing here as it would be pointless. Guy is just mad that he fucked up and now the hero account he bought is useless.

Negative feedback will not be removed. Don't like it? Message whoever readded me to the DT list (FYI- I never asked to be readded).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=499179
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=458703
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59502

LOL @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1212840.msg12722859#msg12722859 (https://archive.is/xxFKM) & https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374845.msg12719858#msg12719858 (scroll down for the post by nor9865) (https://archive.is/MrEYQ)

where is the so called similarities? o.O
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October 18, 2015, 11:59:04 PM
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For those wondering: Check the post history of the accounts and you'll notice a lot of similarities. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing here as it would be pointless. Guy is just mad that he fucked up and now the hero account he bought is useless.

Negative feedback will not be removed. Don't like it? Message whoever readded me to the DT list (FYI- I never asked to be readded).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=499179
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=458703
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59502

LOL @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1212840.msg12722859#msg12722859 (https://archive.is/xxFKM) & https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374845.msg12719858#msg12719858 (scroll down for the post by nor9865) (https://archive.is/MrEYQ)

That along with the fact OP sells a paypal account with balance (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1212840.0) raises a big red flag. I've left negative feedback too, I wouldn't have noticed this without this thread.

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