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Question: Which faction will win WW3?
Russia & China - 93 (58.9%)
USA & EU (NATO) - 65 (41.1%)
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March 18, 2016, 05:47:58 AM
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How the Russian Army Will Get Hundreds of New Mean Tanks at Just $240,000 a Pop
Modernizing a T-72 tank to a T-72B3M standard upgrades the capabilities of the venerable machine to a level of a new T-90

Mark Nicholas 18 hours ago |

http://russia-insider.com/en/military/how-russian-army-will-get-hundreds-new-mean-tanks-just-230000-pop/ri13394

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March 18, 2016, 08:39:52 AM
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Not china i think Russia will win the world war 3.
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March 18, 2016, 08:56:09 AM
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Personally i don't like any of leaders they are for them self and for the interest of elite.
But when we are talking about Putin you must recognise his calmness. He is leader not politician like Obama or Erdogan.
You can see even US government don't push fingers in his eyes, they using Turks for this.
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March 18, 2016, 09:22:02 AM
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Personally i don't like any of leaders they are for them self and for the interest of elite.
But when we are talking about Putin you must recognise his calmness. He is leader not politician like Obama or Erdogan.
You can see even US government don't push fingers in his eyes, they using Turks for this.
After warplane crisis, Putin applied economical sanctions on Turkey. Natural gas is one of his trump card. Turkey reacted by making contraction with Azerbaijan on TANAP Project. TANAP Project includes Georgia and will bring Azerbaijan's Caspian  gas to Turkey via Azerbaijan, Georgia route.
First meet was planned with Aliev on 18th February but the second bomb exploded in Ankara on 17 Feb. and meeting was delayed. Last bomb attack was strangely just before of new meeting date. That gives us clue about Russia. Russia can't consider loosing Turkey. Therefore it attacks to torkey behind curtains.
Yes. Obama, Erdoğan and also Putin, they aren't politicians. They are leaders.Thhose 3 are good leaders and they're playing chess on that map.
By the way dear friend, i am really not very proud turk. I don't care what i didn't chose. My skin color, my nationality do not matter because i didn't chose them. Smiley
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March 19, 2016, 03:28:35 AM
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CRASH LANDING 03.17.16 4:01 AM ET

Military Admits Billion-Dollar War Toy F-35 Is F**ked
Officials are finally admitting the F-35 fighter has turned into a nightmare—but it’s too late to stop the $400 billion program now.



Way back in the early 2000s, the U.S. military had a dream. To develop a new “universal” jet fighter that could do, well, pretty much everything that the military asks its different fighters to do.
But the dream of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter turned into a nightmare. The program is six years behind schedule and tens of billions of dollars over budget. And now, 16 years after the JSF prototypes took off for their first flights, top officials are finally owning up to the trauma the $400 billion fighter program has inflicted on America’s finances and war readiness.

In a remarkable period, beginning in February and lasting several weeks, senior officers and high-ranking bureaucrats finally publicly copped to the warplane program’s fundamental failures.
But the timing of the military's mea culpa is ... interesting. For at the same time as the admissions of guilt, the F-35 was passing several bureaucratic milestones that make it more or less impossible to cancel. Too much money’s already been spent. Too many well-established jobs are at stake. Too many F-35s are already rolling out of the factory.

The Pentagon can clear its conscience of the jet fighter’s misdeeds because doing so is, at this late hour, consequence-free.
Officials previously admitted that the new jet lacks maneuverability, that its testing is way behind schedule and that its software is still incomplete. More recently, military leaders revealed that the three versions of the F-35 jet aren’t nearly as compatible as the military had promised they would be.
Plus, one official conceded that the planes are so expensive that re-equipping all of the Air Force’s fighter squadrons with them would compel the flying branch to first cut a fifth of the squadrons.

And the kicker—two generals confessed that the whole idea of a do-it-all jet is, in fact, so conceptually flawed that it’s unlikely the Pentagon will attempt it again. Right now the Air Force and Navy are laying plans for so-called “sixth-generation” jets to eventually supersede the F-35.
“You ought to think really hard about what you really need out of the sixth-generation fighter and how much overlap is there between what the Navy and the Air Force really need,” Air Force Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan, head of the JSF program, said at a military seminar in Washington, D.C., on March 10.

“At this point we think it will be a different enough mission that it won’t be the same airplane,” Lt. Gen. James Holmes, an Air Force deputy chief of staff, told reporters in February.
Read between the lines of Holmes and Bogdan’s statements and their disappointment is evident. The Joint Strike Fighter just hasn’t worked out the way the military hoped it would. The dream of a universal fighter proved to be a fantasy.

To be sure, the F-35 was carried aloft on grand ambitions. The twin-tail, single-engine plane with the angular nose and stubby wings would be sufficiently fast and maneuverable to battle other planes in the air. It would also possess the stealth and bomb-hauling capacity to penetrate enemy defenses and wipe out targets on the ground.
Not only would the F-35 take off from land bases like most conventional fighters do—it would also be able to launch from aircraft carriers and lift off vertically from smaller assault ships.
To do all these things today, the Pentagon possesses no fewer than eight different types of fighters. Dogfighting F-15s and F-16s. Hard-hitting A-10 ground-attack planes. Several kinds of carrier-launched F/A-18s. Vertical-takeoff Harriers.

The Joint Strike Fighter program, with Lockheed Martin as the main contractor, would replace almost all of these planes—thousands of them—with just three, highly similar variants of the F-35. The Air Force’s maneuverable F-35A. An F-35B version for the Marine Corps with an extra, downward-blasting engine for vertical takeoffs. The Navy's F-35C with a bigger wing for carrier launches.
Winnowing down from eight fighter models to just three versions of the same basic plane design would, in the military estimation, boost efficiency in production, training, and spare parts and save tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars.

That assumed that the F-35A, F-35B, and F-35C would be highly similar. You’d build one basic fuselage and cockpit and fit different wings or the extra engine, as needed. The military aimed for 70-percent “commonality.” In other words, three-quarters of, say, an Air Force F-35A would match, for example, a Navy F-35C.
70 percent commonality proved impossible, as each military branch demanded increasingly specific qualities in its F-35s. As a result, today the various models are mostly incompatible. “It’s 20- to 25-percent commonality,” Bogdan said on March 10.
Indeed, the main thing the three different variants have in common is their F-35 designation. Otherwise, they’re essentially different airplane designs—the very thing the Joint Strike Fighter program had, at its outset, endeavored to avoid.

The lack of commonality helps explain the F-35’s high price. Each plane costs more than $100 million, tens of millions more than Lockheed and the military had predicted early in the program. Sticker shock has compelled the Air Force, in particular, to cut the number of F-35s it buys every year. The flying branch had hoped to be procuring as many as 80 F-35s annually by now. Instead, it’s getting fewer than 50.
At that rate, if the Air Force were to move quickly to replace all of its old F-15s, F-16s, and A-10s with F-35s, it could do so only by significantly cutting the total number of frontline squadrons. But then the Air Force would be too small for all the training exercises, international deployments, and combat operations that the Pentagon requires of it, according to Robert Work, the deputy defense secretary.
“If you told me we were going to go down from 54 tactical fighter squadrons to 45 but they’d all be F-35s, I’m not certain I’d say that’s a good thing,” Work told the trade magazine Flight Global on March 10. The Air Force can’t afford to cut down squadrons and also can’t afford to buy enough new F-35s for all the squadrons it needs.
At this point, abandoning the F-35 is politically impossible. Producing the jet reportedly involves 1,300 suppliers supporting 133,000 jobs in 45 states. The Marine Corps declared its first squadron of F-35s war-ready in July 2015. The Air Force expects to make its own declaration of combat-readiness by December this year, with the Navy following two years later.

“It is always hardest to kill a program when it is already in production and the services have decided it is truly important to finish it,” Gordon Adams, a professor of foreign policy at American University, told Bloomberg.
Work said there’s only one solution to the Pentagon’s air-power crunch—continue buying F-35s while also keeping today’s older fighters, some of which were built in the 1970s, in service into the 2040s. The U.S. military typically retires fighters after 30 years of flying. Keeping some of them around for 70 years would be unprecedented. By then the planes could be badly outclassed by much more modern Russian and Chinese jets.
The prospect of 70-year-old F-15s flying into battle against brand-new Russian planes clearly chills some lawmakers. They’ve signaled their willingness to add five more F-35s to the Air Force's budget for 2017—this despite all the recent admissions of programmatic failure by top officials.

“We cannot afford to assume that the enemy will resemble the threats of recent wars, nor can we assume that future fights won’t require greater numbers of advanced aircraft,” Sen. Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican and chairman of a key Senate armed services subcommittee, said during a March 8 budget hearing.
Military officials can safely confess that the F-35 hasn’t worked out as planned because, at this point, there’s no way the military or Congress would kill the program. It's the air-power equivalent of having your cake ... and eating it, too.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/military-admits-billion-dollar-war-toy-f-35-is-f-ked.html

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March 19, 2016, 05:25:05 AM
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It would really depend on the inciting incident as to what factions or alliances would emerge. Frankly though, if World War III broke out tomorrow, it is almost inevitable that the US would get involved, and any side with the US and its allies would certainly have the edge, even with conventional military warfare.
 It is unlikely though that a World War would occur to the same extent that it did 70 years ago. It is unlikely in the extreme that a fascist government like the one in Nazi Germany would get the same sort of support internationally nowadays. Very few countries would want to be associated with them, and those that do (like the Chinese-North Korea relationship) is built more on self-interest rather than mutual support for each other.
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March 19, 2016, 09:43:57 AM
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I would think the russians gonna win and as long as they're gonna ally with other asian countries then they would win for sure. Advancements in technology and military trainings.

Everyone aware of the middleman? We gotta think who's gonna provide intels and where would they get it. And off course there are this collateral damages.

So just like any war many loses will emerge.
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March 19, 2016, 12:55:59 PM
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I would think the russians gonna win and as long as they're gonna ally with other asian countries then they would win for sure. Advancements in technology and military trainings.

Everyone aware of the middleman? We gotta think who's gonna provide intels and where would they get it. And off course there are this collateral damages.

So just like any war many loses will emerge.

Russia is in fact allied with North Korea and China but i doubt that other asian countries would be allied with them as China is in dispute with the territory in South China Sea.
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March 19, 2016, 01:49:34 PM
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Russia is in fact allied with North Korea and China but i doubt that other asian countries would be allied with them as China is in dispute with the territory in South China Sea.

By "other Asian countries", he probably meant countries such as India and Iran, which are having warm relations with Russia. India does have territorial disputes with China, but those disputes are more or less dormant for more than three decades now. However, it is true that eastern and south-eastern Asian nations (Japan, South Korea, Vietnam.etc) will never ally with China.
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March 20, 2016, 10:41:21 AM
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Pentagon suspends 14 men at nuclear missile facility for 'using illegal drugs'

Friday 18 March 2016

The US Air Force has launched an investigation into a dozen airmen at a nuclear missile base for alleged use of illegal drugs, in some cases possibly including cocaine.

The drug investigation at FE Warren Air Force Base, located near Cheyenne, Wyoming, is home of the 90th Missile Wing, was announced on Friday by Gen Robin Rand, the four-star commander of Air Force Global Strike Command.

“This is very important to me that we get to the bottom of this,” he told the Associated Press. “We have a special trust with our nation, with our public, with the mission that we do in Air Force Global Strike Command.”

The command is responsible for the entire fleet of Minuteman 3 land-based nuclear missiles; one-third of the Minuteman 3 force is operated by the 90th Missile Wing.

The airmen under investigation are mainly or entirely members of a security force at the 90th Missile Wing, the officials said.

The allegations do not involve officers who control the Minuteman missiles from command centers, officials told the news agency.

Security forces at nuclear missile bases are entrusted to patrol the missile fields and respond to any security emergencies. They are highly trained and given enormous responsibility.

Just last month, Deputy Defence Secretary Robert Work visited FE Warren and observed a demonstration by security forces of the techniques and equipment they would use to recapture a missile silo that had been taken over by intruders.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-suspends-14-men-at-nuclear-missile-facility-for-using-illegal-drugs-a6939141.html

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March 20, 2016, 10:59:37 AM
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The old fashioned one Russia and allies against NATO.
Does Russia have any allies any more?
Russia attacks and gets stopped somewhere in Poland more due to supply than any thing else NATO counter attacks and gets stalled short of Moscow because a lot of Russians will show up.
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March 20, 2016, 11:18:28 AM
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Russia is in fact allied with North Korea and China but i doubt that other asian countries would be allied with them as China is in dispute with the territory in South China Sea.

By "other Asian countries", he probably meant countries such as India and Iran, which are having warm relations with Russia. India does have territorial disputes with China, but those disputes are more or less dormant for more than three decades now. However, it is true that eastern and south-eastern Asian nations (Japan, South Korea, Vietnam.etc) will never ally with China.

And no one loves the communist party/country they are the one who keep doing all the bad stuff with other countries,like china bullying everyone in south china see with the on going construction on some island that is in dispute.
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March 20, 2016, 11:46:31 AM
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The old fashioned one Russia and allies against NATO.
Does Russia have any allies any more?
Russia attacks and gets stopped somewhere in Poland more due to supply than any thing else NATO counter attacks and gets stalled short of Moscow because a lot of Russians will show up.

I think we can extremely safely assume that NATO forces that have been proven almost totally useless in Afghanistan and Iraq won´t somehow magically be able to advance to Moscow  Grin

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March 20, 2016, 01:47:11 PM
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And no one loves the communist party/country they are the one who keep doing all the bad stuff with other countries,like china bullying everyone in south china see with the on going construction on some island that is in dispute.

I agree that most of the Asian nations are fearful of China. But China is having a few weapons in its stockpile which can turn these nations to its loyal allies. For example, China is in the possession of around $1,400 billion worth of United States treasury bonds. They can use this enormous pile of wealth to offer loans / grants to the impoverished nations in the South Asia and South-east Asia.
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March 20, 2016, 02:02:27 PM
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And no one loves the communist party/country they are the one who keep doing all the bad stuff with other countries,like china bullying everyone in south china see with the on going construction on some island that is in dispute.

I agree that most of the Asian nations are fearful of China. But China is having a few weapons in its stockpile which can turn these nations to its loyal allies. For example, China is in the possession of around $1,400 billion worth of United States treasury bonds. They can use this enormous pile of wealth to offer loans / grants to the impoverished nations in the South Asia and South-east Asia.

China has many resources and even they can manipulate other countries economy, however China's army / forces is very strong and we can't deny it. When UN is inviting China for a meeting regarding it's peace relationship with other South East Asian countries they are participating and this is very alarming I think they are preparing theirself for this WW3
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March 20, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
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And no one loves the communist party/country they are the one who keep doing all the bad stuff with other countries,like china bullying everyone in south china see with the on going construction on some island that is in dispute.
People from capitalist countries are always scared from socialist? Why?
All this is very good propaganda from the west. You can hear people talking about democracy but they forgetting that many people actually love socialism and dont want to change it! And with this attitude you creating need for this change? Why?
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March 20, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
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China has many resources and even they can manipulate other countries economy, however China's army / forces is very strong and we can't deny it. When UN is inviting China for a meeting regarding it's peace relationship with other South East Asian countries they are participating and this is very alarming I think they are preparing theirself for this WW3
Sometimes i think that only Russia and China can save us from US hegemonism.
Why whole world must live how they dictate? Thay want to create world order where they are going to be world police, and everything must be how they say or else..
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March 20, 2016, 02:11:59 PM
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China has many resources and even they can manipulate other countries economy, however China's army / forces is very strong and we can't deny it.

The Chinese armed forces are not that strong. They have a large pool of manpower, but that advantage is gradually waning as a result of the low birth rates. The Chinese fertility rate (1.66 children / woman) is lower than that of Russia (1.81 children per woman) and the US (1.88 children per woman). Also, their weapons and equipment are of low quality, unlike those in the possession of Russia and the US.
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March 20, 2016, 03:31:25 PM
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China has many resources and even they can manipulate other countries economy, however China's army / forces is very strong and we can't deny it.

The Chinese armed forces are not that strong. They have a large pool of manpower, but that advantage is gradually waning as a result of the low birth rates. The Chinese fertility rate (1.66 children / woman) is lower than that of Russia (1.81 children per woman) and the US (1.88 children per woman). Also, their weapons and equipment are of low quality, unlike those in the possession of Russia and the US.

Although I think that weapons and equipment in the US are 10 times better than those which are in China we shouldn't underestimate their army which has over 2,000,000 active personnel compared to 475,000 of that in the USA. And also it should be taken into account that many if not most of the Chineese soldiers are devoted warriors who are willing to fight not for the money.

But I think China will never be at war with the USA because both countries understand how stupid it would be.

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March 20, 2016, 05:49:39 PM
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The Chinese armed forces are not that strong. They have a large pool of manpower, but that advantage is gradually waning as a result of the low birth rates. The Chinese fertility rate (1.66 children / woman) is lower than that of Russia (1.81 children per woman) and the US (1.88 children per woman). Also, their weapons and equipment are of low quality, unlike those in the possession of Russia and the US.
This is crucial! And if you can count on endless human resources you really have power. Plus they have nuclear weapons, in future many things will not be decided without China's approvals. Today we have 3 major world forces, rest are regional forces.
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