Bitcoin Forum
May 06, 2024, 01:21:00 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: Is Fungibility (and therefore privacy) an issue with bitcoin?  (Voting closed: November 22, 2015, 01:35:02 AM)
Yes it is a big issue - 24 (66.7%)
Yes it is a small issue - 2 (5.6%)
I dont know - 0 (0%)
No it is not an issue of any kind - 9 (25%)
Who cares? Bitcoin to the moon!!!! - 1 (2.8%)
Total Voters: 36

Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
Author Topic: [Poll] Is Fungibility (and therefore privacy) an issue with bitcoin?  (Read 1399 times)
kazuki49
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 350
Merit: 250



View Profile
October 24, 2015, 11:58:42 PM
 #21



https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ptbx1/bitcoin_has_no_fungibility_problem/
1715001660
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715001660

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715001660
Reply with quote  #2

1715001660
Report to moderator
1715001660
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715001660

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715001660
Reply with quote  #2

1715001660
Report to moderator
"You Asked For Change, We Gave You Coins" -- casascius
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
boolberry
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 378
Merit: 250


View Profile
October 25, 2015, 12:14:29 AM
 #22

Those who voted "No it is not an issue of any kind" are clearly in denial. There may be future solutions and sidechains that address some of the problems but no solution I have seen yet is perfect.

There is always room for improvement.
Realpra
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 815
Merit: 1000


View Profile
October 25, 2015, 12:21:40 AM
 #23

It won't matter. Bitcoin will succeed even with sketchy privacy. Any trivial mixing will be enough.

Governments can't crack down on massive movements, only small individuals and organizations.

Case in point: Torrent, its illegal but they can't stop it although they could easily trace people's IPs.

Cheap and sexy Bitcoin card/hardware wallet, buy here:
http://BlochsTech.com
iCEBREAKER
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072


Crypto is the separation of Power and State.


View Profile WWW
October 25, 2015, 12:27:25 AM
 #24


Let's be exceedingly clear with our definitions, instead of arguing at cross purposes.  brg444 is correct when he says

Fungibility, the property of every unit in the system being indistinguishable & capable of mutual substitution, is an inherent feature of Bitcoin.

but the narrow scope of that statement is strictly limited to "the system" of Bitcoin's internal protocol.

Most people care/know far more about higher-level socioeconomic systems, wherein Bitcoin taint (distinguishability) destroys mutual substitution.

In brg444's conceptual frame, the Holy Protocol is the (sacred) ground on which socioeconomic figures stand.

That confuses those who hold the reverse POV, in which Bitcoin protocol is just a tool (figure) that does not supervene on socioeconomic ground.

Adam Back captured this linguistic tension in the concept of "weak fungibility." 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dAdI3Gzodo&feature=youtu.be&t=28m31s

I've proposed the term "exhaustive fungibility" to describe coins which are, by virtue of being indistinguishable, fungible at both the protocol and socioeconomic levels.  But perhaps "strong fungibility" is a cleaner fit, as it complements Dr. Back's preexisting terminology.


██████████
█████████████████
██████████████████████
█████████████████████████
████████████████████████████
████
████████████████████████
█████
███████████████████████████
█████
███████████████████████████
██████
████████████████████████████
██████
████████████████████████████
██████
████████████████████████████
██████
███████████████████████████
██████
██████████████████████████
█████
███████████████████████████
█████████████
██████████████
████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
██████████████████████
█████████████████
██████████

Monero
"The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine
whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy." 
David Chaum 1996
"Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect."  Adam Back 2014
Buy and sell XMR near you
P2P Exchange Network
Buy XMR with fiat
Is Dash a scam?
cjmoles
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1176
Merit: 1016


View Profile WWW
October 25, 2015, 05:53:28 AM
 #25

I voted that it is a small issue because I believe that it could be used in a positive way.  I can imagine ways to use the fungibility question surrounding bitcoin as a sort of insurance against scam...or, other such actions that could be detrimental to the technology's growth.  With a little creative thinking, I believe it could become an asset to bitcoin's adoption rate.
smoothie (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473


LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper


View Profile
October 26, 2015, 12:41:02 AM
 #26

bumping for poll data.

███████████████████████████████████████

            ,╓p@@███████@╗╖,           
        ,p████████████████████N,       
      d█████████████████████████b     
    d██████████████████████████████æ   
  ,████²█████████████████████████████, 
 ,█████  ╙████████████████████╨  █████y
 ██████    `████████████████`    ██████
║██████       Ñ███████████`      ███████
███████         ╩██████Ñ         ███████
███████    ▐▄     ²██╩     a▌    ███████
╢██████    ▐▓█▄          ▄█▓▌    ███████
 ██████    ▐▓▓▓▓▌,     ▄█▓▓▓▌    ██████─
           ▐▓▓▓▓▓▓█,,▄▓▓▓▓▓▓▌          
           ▐▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▌          
    ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓─  
     ²▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╩    
        ▀▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▀       
           ²▀▀▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▀▀`          
                   ²²²                 
███████████████████████████████████████

. ★☆ WWW.LEALANA.COM        My PGP fingerprint is A764D833.                  History of Monero development Visualization ★☆ .
LEALANA BITCOIN GRIM REAPER SILVER COINS.
 
smoothie (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473


LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper


View Profile
October 26, 2015, 10:56:08 PM
 #27

24 hour bump. Please vote. Thanks!

███████████████████████████████████████

            ,╓p@@███████@╗╖,           
        ,p████████████████████N,       
      d█████████████████████████b     
    d██████████████████████████████æ   
  ,████²█████████████████████████████, 
 ,█████  ╙████████████████████╨  █████y
 ██████    `████████████████`    ██████
║██████       Ñ███████████`      ███████
███████         ╩██████Ñ         ███████
███████    ▐▄     ²██╩     a▌    ███████
╢██████    ▐▓█▄          ▄█▓▌    ███████
 ██████    ▐▓▓▓▓▌,     ▄█▓▓▓▌    ██████─
           ▐▓▓▓▓▓▓█,,▄▓▓▓▓▓▓▌          
           ▐▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▌          
    ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓─  
     ²▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╩    
        ▀▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▀       
           ²▀▀▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▀▀`          
                   ²²²                 
███████████████████████████████████████

. ★☆ WWW.LEALANA.COM        My PGP fingerprint is A764D833.                  History of Monero development Visualization ★☆ .
LEALANA BITCOIN GRIM REAPER SILVER COINS.
 
Pages: « 1 [2]  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!