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December 19, 2015, 06:16:40 AM |
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The difference between pure gambling and buying stocks of companies is that you are betting on the future of the company and you have a track record you can research. It is a long term investment. But the day to day movements of the stock market are somewhat random, so trying to time the market and make money off the random swings is gambling in a different form.
there is different terms for buying of stocks. so if you are trying to time off the market and buy low and sell high within a certain time frame, it is call speculation of stock. but if you buy and leave it there for years, den it is call an investment. In stock trading you can diversify 3 main time frame based on the length of the position (time between opening and closeing the position). Day trading is the shortest, it's intra day position, takes the biggest risk. Swing trade is longer, from day to several weeks, but it is still a kind of gambling. Long term trading can be the investment because in that trade you can and should base your decisions on examinations, analysis' So it's only long term trading can be called an investment, the shorters are mainly based on luck.
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December 21, 2015, 06:19:45 AM |
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To put in simple, general definition of gambling vs. investing is: In investing, the odds are in your favor. In gambling, the odds are against you. That is the main difference between gambling and investing.
Also: Gambling is entertainment, investing is business. Therefore, gamblers are people who seek risk - investors are trying to avert it.
I think you understood investing meaning wrongly. Even in investing there is no guaranty that odds in favour of investors but may be better chances that they can win. Off course gambling is very risky and we can't compare it with investing in shares. In the long run investments will mostly give us profits for sure.
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December 21, 2015, 08:48:02 AM |
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It's close to being the same thing. With both, stock exchange and gambling you're taking risks to lose. There is no guarantee that you will win and make profits. It's still a gamble you take with both of them. You just gotta hope for the best and be a bit lucky.
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December 21, 2015, 08:49:02 AM |
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You can have some sort of knowledge on where the stock market is going to go next but with gambling the outcome is pure luck.
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December 21, 2015, 08:51:47 AM |
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there is. there are times when you predict where it goes with stocks. you just have to wait for them. If you want to predict where it goes at any given moment it's not much different from pure gambling
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December 21, 2015, 08:53:29 AM |
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do you think it is absolutely true, but it will not happen if the players have a lot of trick in gambling. And I always do it though there is also a trick that makes the defeat because of a lack of calculation. Gambling only for entertainment and to see how lucky we are using trick we wear. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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December 21, 2015, 09:41:05 AM |
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The stock exchange has no house edge. Economics is the house. And If you know how to economics? Then you know how to earn. Economics is predictable, and if you earn enough money, you can manipulate the market. Just do your research.
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December 21, 2015, 10:05:35 AM |
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It's close to being the same thing but there are small differences between these two. With gambling you're in direct control of your money. With stocks you are going to have to watch the news and the market at the same time.
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December 24, 2015, 11:32:13 PM |
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The stock exchange has no house edge. Economics is the house. And If you know how to economics? Then you know how to earn. Economics is predictable, and if you earn enough money, you can manipulate the market. Just do your research.
To manipulate the market in the end you have to manipulate the customers, but I think if something is not 100% sure that the manipulation is working, you can lose more after. It can be a key point that different market sizes needs different amount to manipulate,e.g. you won't manipulate NYSE but on smaller sub markets maybe it is possible if you have the necessary funds.
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December 25, 2015, 12:43:46 AM |
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The stock exchange has no house edge. Economics is the house. And If you know how to economics? Then you know how to earn. Economics is predictable, and if you earn enough money, you can manipulate the market. Just do your research.
To manipulate the market in the end you have to manipulate the customers, but I think if something is not 100% sure that the manipulation is working, you can lose more after. It can be a key point that different market sizes needs different amount to manipulate,e.g. you won't manipulate NYSE but on smaller sub markets maybe it is possible if you have the necessary funds. Manipulation in stock market is not so easy task for individual persons. But only if any big institutions involved yes, they can do it for some time because finally they will get caught in the system. No one can manipulate either any individual stock or stock market for ever. So just buy a good company shares and make some profits, just forget about manipulations.
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December 25, 2015, 01:30:43 AM |
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I think that historically, there have been many incidents where the market makers at a stock market dissipated with customer money and nobody had the ability to prosecute them or even trace them in the first place. Also bitcoin gambling is equally regulated so I'd say it's exactly the same.
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December 26, 2015, 01:35:16 AM |
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I think that historically, there have been many incidents where the market makers at a stock market dissipated with customer money and nobody had the ability to prosecute them or even trace them in the first place. Also bitcoin gambling is equally regulated so I'd say it's exactly the same.
I feel you're not correct. If you invest money in some good reputed companies than you will surely get profits over the time and dividends regularly but your profit margins may not be like in gambling. But in gambling you totally depending on your luck to earn money so you can't put all you're savings in to gambling to grow your money so for me both are different.
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December 26, 2015, 04:58:38 AM |
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I think that historically, there have been many incidents where the market makers at a stock market dissipated with customer money and nobody had the ability to prosecute them or even trace them in the first place. Also bitcoin gambling is equally regulated so I'd say it's exactly the same.
I feel you're not correct. If you invest money in some good reputed companies than you will surely get profits over the time and dividends regularly but your profit margins may not be like in gambling. But in gambling you totally depending on your luck to earn money so you can't put all you're savings in to gambling to grow your money so for me both are different. My post was full of irony. In reality, stocks are at least secured by law and regulations. Bitcoin websites are entirely unregulated and there's currently no legislation in place to protect users. In terms of trust, stocks are much much better. Surely the profit potential isn't as great, still not that big of a risk as total loss isn't normal.
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December 26, 2015, 05:14:07 AM |
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Well, the difference is only in place and how to get the money, if you can monetize through exchanger of good results, whereas if you buy shares in gambling you get money from a bad result, but it all depends on your point of view
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December 26, 2015, 05:21:01 AM |
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Well, the difference is only in place and how to get the money, if you can monetize through exchanger of good results, whereas if you buy shares in gambling you get money from a bad result, but it all depends on your point of view
I really didn't understood anything from your post. I think that historically, there have been many incidents where the market makers at a stock market dissipated with customer money and nobody had the ability to prosecute them or even trace them in the first place. Also bitcoin gambling is equally regulated so I'd say it's exactly the same.
I feel you're not correct. If you invest money in some good reputed companies than you will surely get profits over the time and dividends regularly but your profit margins may not be like in gambling. But in gambling you totally depending on your luck to earn money so you can't put all you're savings in to gambling to grow your money so for me both are different. My post was full of irony. In reality, stocks are at least secured by law and regulations. Bitcoin websites are entirely unregulated and there's currently no legislation in place to protect users. In terms of trust, stocks are much much better. Surely the profit potential isn't as great, still not that big of a risk as total loss isn't normal. Yes, most of the stock markets are regulated by government rules. But still some inside traders to do the fraud but not in all companies where as in gambling the system itself like that, one can easily lose all there money without any pain. The pain will start only after losing money.
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December 26, 2015, 11:29:36 AM |
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Yes, most of the stock markets are regulated by government rules. But still some inside traders to do the fraud but not in all companies where as in gambling the system itself like that, one can easily lose all there money without any pain. The pain will start only after losing money.
Thing is though, people investing through a stock market won't be in danger of total loss of capital overnight (with rare exceptions) thanks to those regulations. There's no way for the stock market itself to steal the money of investors in the same way bitcoin dices and casinos are able to steal deposits without any hassle.
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December 26, 2015, 12:47:03 PM |
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The stock exchange has no house edge. Nor is it random. The stock exchange is always sadly compared to gambling. It's not. That's comparing apples and oranges.
The stock exchange is predicable, as you can see the financial choices made by a company and your can decide yourself whether it's time to buy or sell.
Gambling, on the other hand, is random. Sure you can change the client but the server seed is the key.
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December 26, 2015, 12:52:23 PM |
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Yes, most of the stock markets are regulated by government rules. But still some inside traders to do the fraud but not in all companies where as in gambling the system itself like that, one can easily lose all there money without any pain. The pain will start only after losing money.
Thing is though, people investing through a stock market won't be in danger of total loss of capital overnight (with rare exceptions) thanks to those regulations. There's no way for the stock market itself to steal the money of investors in the same way bitcoin dices and casinos are able to steal deposits without any hassle. That's true, my argument also same. In stock market if one can analyse company properly then they can make lot of money over the time but we can't make money over night in stock market. If we buy some good company shares and hold for few years than we can really get a lot of profits but we should choose a right stocks to invest at right time.
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December 26, 2015, 12:55:30 PM |
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By investing you can help companies you believe in, such as socially or environmentally conscious firms and or new tech companies that are working on inventions that might affect you or someone close to you. By gambling you are not making any contribution towards that goal, instead you are fueling casinos and occasional gain personal profit if you win.
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December 26, 2015, 05:22:35 PM |
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By investing you can help companies you believe in, such as socially or environmentally conscious firms and or new tech companies that are working on inventions that might affect you or someone close to you. By gambling you are not making any contribution towards that goal, instead you are fueling casinos and occasional gain personal profit if you win.
Both have different meaning but actually you are describing the same thing, both is to get personal profit for ourselves. No one will fund some company or buy their share unless they want to gamble about it and try to make profit from that. Investing is just another form of gambling mostly for long term
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