[HOW TO] use vpn to get higher rewards from faucets

[lilSpender]

Weird.

For us it always works on windows machines. Try another IP? Some are blacklisted.
Try another country?

LS.

[lelouch90]

Tried few countries but on some faucets doesn't work and it's something that simple doesn't repay the effort with faucets since you will lose more time on finding the right server than what you will earn from that single claim.

Also server's ips are public so it's easy to blacklist them and also if it works for few claims it will come the time when also that server will be blacklisted.

And since it worked fine for some faucets i was curious and i wanted to try the premium service so all my considerations are coming from a premium user

[lilSpender]

OK.

Weird?

Then my advice is to read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1221083.0
Then read this thread again, for setting up vpn for linux.

In the end, windows and almost all it's software sux.
I still think cyberghost is good, you just need to get a good IP. Not all are good you know.
Just like with TOR, some exit nodes are shady to say the least.
Many are blacklisted  aswell.

There's always a way, best believe it ^^

LS.

EDIT: i must agree that there are quite a lot of blacklisted ip's on cyberghost vpn service. Still, it is doable. It just takes a few tries.

[lelouch90]

Yep...there is always a way of course but like i said before it's not worth for a claim on a faucet/s, at least for me it's not worth anyway i agree that cyberghost is pretty nice and can be usefull for other things

[lilSpender]

Exactly.

If you must spend an hour to get 10k satoshi, well that's not really worth it. At least for me it isn't.
But then again, for some others it might be.

LS.

[FaucetWorld]

I can.

When you use the IP from your internet provider, that is linked to a nameserver.
When you use a vpn, it bypasses your internet provider's nameserver, and uses the nameserver associated with the vpn ip address.

Does this make any sense to you?

LS.

I tested it on other site I changed my IP but Google still shows me targeted ads of my country that's how it detects that from where I am.

Google would have never allowed it to be fooled. They not pay for clicks via VPN.

It is not a win-win situation. Faucets owners are losing.

[LosingAlpha]

It happend to me also that i tried a germany server and was viewing arabic ads.

Also it's like a normal vpn/proxy since faucets that don't allow them don't work with cyberghost too(maybe it's a bit better than other services but still doesn't work on a lot of these faucets).

I don't think google is dumb enough to fall for VPN traffic, but if you're hitting faucets via a VPN in another country and seeing google ads specific to your real location, it'll be because of a cookie.

[lelouch90]

It happend to me also that i tried a germany server and was viewing arabic ads.

Also it's like a normal vpn/proxy since faucets that don't allow them don't work with cyberghost too(maybe it's a bit better than other services but still doesn't work on a lot of these faucets).

I don't think google is dumb enough to fall for VPN traffic, but if you're hitting faucets via a VPN in another country and seeing google ads specific to your real location, it'll be because of a cookie.

Not really and that's why it's also weirder....i was trying german server while i'm from italy xDD

edit.
and of course cookies/cache shouldn't be a problem since it was in "anonymous navigation" or whatever it is in english.

[lilSpender]

Google would have never allowed it to be fooled. They not pay for clicks via VPN.

Many vpn ip addresses are legit? Indistinguishable from any other ip, unless it is blacklisted.
Howcome people do not try, yet they think they know how it works?

hmmmmz.
With all due respect

I don't think google is dumb enough to fall for VPN traffic, but if you're hitting faucets via a VPN in another country and seeing google ads specific to your real location, it'll be because of a cookie.

Then they're not using a good vpn service
Maybe remove cookies and try again?

For us, a team of 12 people, it always works.
Isn't that a bit funny?
We have the experience, yet people who theoretically think to know how it works, disagree?

There's always a way. A good vpn is not transparent, like proxy's are.
Maybe go ask the hacker community if what i claim is the truth?

But whatever, people should try it themselves, and if they don't  want to: that's just fine.
People disagreeing: that's fine aswell.

Convince yourselves by experience, not theory.

With regards,

LS.

[LosingAlpha]

For us, a team of 12 people, it always works.
Isn't that a bit funny?
We have the experience, yet people who theoretically think to know how it works, disagree?

It's not outsmarting faucets that's the problem, it's outsmarting google. They're turning over billions in advertising revenue, and have some of the smartest minds in the business dedicating their whole working lives to preventing fraudulent activity on their ads. I'll just go ahead and assume they know what they're doing.

There's always a way. A good vpn is not transparent, like proxy's are.
Maybe go ask the hacker community if what i claim is the truth?

If you're using a VPN from a VPN provider, it's going to have a very obvious fingerprint. If you're tunnelling to some incognito residential internet connection then yeah that's not something that's going to be easy to spot, but I'm guessing most people aren't going to be doing that (nor would they want to, because who'd trust some random joe with piping all their internet traffic?)

[lilSpender]

Again,
all theory.

I'll just go ahead and assume they know what they're doing.

Assumptions get "you" nowhere.

I always assumed banks knew what they were doing untill i lost 200k plus euro's because they didn't know wtf they were doing.

Again,
Go ask the hacker community.
I dare you to contact Psychomarine @ enigmagroup, and ask him if what i claim holds any truth?

Next to the fact that this topic is being derailed with theories and speculations,
which was never the intention. I bring the facts, coming forth from experience.

This is becoming a yes - no game  

With all due respect ofcourse,

LS.

[LosingAlpha]

Assumptions get "you" nowhere.

Let's call it an educated guess.

Again,
Go ask the hacker community.
I dare you to contact Psychomarine @ enigmagroup, and ask him if what i claim holds any truth?

I don't think I need to ask other people to explain this stuff to me, thanks all the same.

Next to the fact that this topic is being derailed with theories and speculations,
which was never the intention. I bring the facts, coming forth from experience.

I appreciate what you're trying to do in this thread, but facts are pretty thin on the ground. None of this has anything to do with name servers, for instance.

[lilSpender]

I appreciate what you're trying to do in this thread, but facts are pretty thin on the ground. None of this has anything to do with name servers, for instance.

Thanks for the appreciation

But it has everything to do with DNS- / name- servers.
Without DNS- / name- servers there is no internet as it currently exists. There would be no ip addresses leased out,
nor will domain names get translated into ip addresses so we can actually visit them.

A vpn connection requests an ip address from a different DNS- / name- server, than the default one, your ISP uses?

So therefore, if the vpn DNS- / name- server is located in china, it will lease out a chinese ip address to you,
so it will look as if you're browsing from china. Also to google.

For example, if i use cyberghost on windows, use a german server, then fire up firefox it goes straight to google.de
hmmmmm.

I get all german ads too. Hmmmmm.

I don't think I need to ask other people to explain this stuff to me, thanks all the same.

I think people with much more knowledge about internet traffic and ip/tcp packets can't ever change your mind?
I can, and 1000 other people can explain this a zillion times to you, but it's useless.

We can also use vpn -> TOR. Nobody will ever find you.
Let alone if we vpn -> proxy chain via 250 proxies -> TOR. Google can easily be beaten.


With all due respect,

LS.


EDIT:

I asked someone at enigmagroup. Which is co-developer of backtrack / kali linux:
His answer:

A good option is that you might operate your VPN in Tunnel Mode,
sending all communications (including Internet) through the VPN stack.
In this case, when you are on the VPN all DNS would use the VPN's DNS.
This is probably the most secure way since all internal traffic is sure to stay in the VPN.

EDIT2:

Sorry, i have to add that not all operating systems support these features.

[LosingAlpha]

But it has everything to do with DNS- / name- servers.
Without DNS- / name- servers there is no internet as it currently exists. There would be no ip addresses leased out,
nor will domain names get translated into ip addresses so we can actually visit them.

A vpn connection requests an ip address from a different DNS- / name- server, than the default one, your ISP uses?

So therefore, if the vpn DNS- / name- server is located in china, it will lease out a chinese ip address to you,
so it will look as if you're browsing from china. Also to google.

DNS doesn't lease IPs. You're talking about DHCP.

I think people with much more knowledge about internet traffic and ip/tcp packets can't ever change your mind?
I can, and 1000 other people can explain this a zillion times to you, but it's useless.

You're making a big assumption about my level of knowledge.

We can also use vpn -> TOR. Nobody will ever find you.
Let alone if we vpn -> proxy chain via 250 proxies -> TOR. Google can easily be beaten.

It doesn't matter how many hoops you jump through, you're still breaking out at a single endpoint, google doesn't care about tracking that hit back to you as an individual, they just discount any clicks that come from sources that don't look like legit viewers.

[lilSpender]

DNS doesn't lease IPs. You're talking about DHCP.

Correct, my mistake.
But maybe set an ip manually? IP ranges from isp's can be looked up really easy. No DHCP needed.

You're making a big assumption about my level of knowledge.

I don't. I underestimate nobody.
I could say the same about you?

they just discount any clicks that come from sources that don't look like legit viewers.

Like i said many times before, usually ip addresses aquired from vpn connections look / are legit. Some might be blacklisted.
It is a matter of trial and error.

Let's assume someone uses cyberghost / openVPN and goes through a faucet list of 100 entries.
Some clicks won't get payed due to blacklisted ip addresses or some other "red flags", while others might,
depending on the ad-provider, and obviously the ip address.
(Is it called that ad-provider? I mean, ads not from adsense.)

Simply put, if i make a vpn connection with a good friend of mine's computer, the ip is legit.
Same can be true for connections across the world.


Anyway,

In the end, what counts is that users can rely on the information of the forum.
I explained my / our vision and practices. You very politely explained what you think might not be completely correct.

All readers of the posts can make of this what they want. They can test and try both our arguments as they
are very well and clear explained.

Obviously, anyone having a question about this or that can reply here, and i will be happy to answer.
Anyone who disagrees, please explain what "you" think is wrong.

Lastly,

i hope i didn't offend you, LosingAlpha. If i did, then i want to apologize for this.
This thread is becoming unfriendly, and this was never my intention.
I am sure it wasn't yours either. So i want to leave it at this, and definately not become someone you dislike, or the other way around.

I want to keep friendly "relationships", whether it be on here, there, at work or outside the milkyway.

With regards,

LS.

[Nobitcoin]

Informative post but to firstly pay for a VPN then open numerous email addresses just to get a tiny amount of satoshi does not seem worth it.

[lilSpender]

Informative post but to firstly pay for a VPN

the vyprVPN i suggested has a free plan.

then open numerous email addresses just to get a tiny amount of satoshi does not seem worth it.

It's a new email address after 500MB traffic.

And whether it's worth it or not, well that depends.
For some it does, for some it doesn't.

Let me explain: if i visit my own faucet list, twice a day i earn three dollar a week.
I live in the netherlands, good job, wife, house, kiddies, cars. Three dollar means nothing to me.

Yet, someone who lives i a poor country, where 3 usd means a weeks worth of food, it means everything.

So it all depends on who you are, and where you're from.

In all honesty, when i learned bitcoin, i started with 200 satoshi from a faucet, and you have no idea how proud i was.

So for many people it can be a good learning experience.

With regards,

LS.

[LosingAlpha]

i hope i didn't offend you, LosingAlpha. If i did, then i want to apologize for this.
This thread is becoming unfriendly, and this was never my intention.
I am sure it wasn't yours either. So i want to leave it at this, and definately not become someone you dislike, or the other way around.

I want to keep friendly "relationships", whether it be on here, there, at work or outside the milkyway.

No problem man you didn't offend me, and I didn't intend to come across as unfriendly. Big hugs

Like I say, I appreciate your intentions. There are people living in countries where the shrapnel they get from faucets makes a difference to their lives. I think balancing things so you're still making a profit, but able to pay everyone equally is a good way to do it. Balancing it the other way would be interesting too - so the 'good' countries get less - for a lot of us making 500 or 1000 satoshis on a faucet is the difference between 'almost nothing,' and 'slightly less almost nothing' after all.

[maokoto]

Thanks for this post. It is always good to have alternatives to navigate through different ips.

I use a vpn for privacy, and it is blacklisted in many faucets it seem. Perhaps this would do.