10 BTC for 15 BTC in return

[lile]

Is it that you people are that mental, born with a less than adequate IQ...

talking about less than adequate IQ...

Since 10 BTC = 10,000 units on Seals and games run as low as 1/2, it is mathematically impossible to lose with the winrate established.

/facepalm.

[Crookid]

take statistics class, learn distribution curves and get back to me.  I facepalm your facepalm.

[underminer]

I believe I have taken the most clear and concise parts of your argument and condensed them into one statement:

I AM A MUTHERFUCKIN GENIUS AT THIS GAME IF YU DISAGREE UR STOOPID GIVE ME MONEY THOUGH.

[lile]

Who is this "squal1066" that can vouch for you? Are you willing to provide ID, phone number, current address, proof of income, and a picture with a shoe on your head (the latter being the most important)?

[Crookid]

Apparently, this site is full of trolls and these are not the kind of people that I want to build a financial relationship with. I rescind my request. Its a wonder that Bitcoin hasn't picked up more mainstream attention in the 3 years its been around. Some of you wouldn't know opportunity if you stepped on it.  Good luck.

[underminer]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97214.0


^Must be an invisible thread.

[SgtSpike]

Apparently, this site is full of trolls and these are not the kind of people that I want to build a financial relationship with. I rescind my request. Its a wonder that Bitcoin hasn't picked up more mainstream attention in the 3 years its been around. Some of you wouldn't know opportunity if you stepped on it.  Good luck.

When you ask for $108 of an anonymous, irreversible currency, stating that the risk is on the lender and that, if you lose while playing poker, the lender will not be repaid, it's kind of a tough thing to sell.  I know I wouldn't lend to someone like that.  Not only could they simply take the money and run without consequence, even if they did play legitimately, my chance of the person winning would have to be at least 67% in order for me to see any return on my investment vs risk.  And even though you've been successful on a small scale in the past, it doesn't mean your luck will continue (poker is a zero-sum game, after all, though I do concede that there is a large amount of skill involved).  This stake/loan/investment is a gamble dependent on you, and no one knows you.  And you ask why no one wants to lend to you?

You have not been taken seriously because you have failed to understand Bitcoin and its history.  Countless scams have taken place where people make very similar requests as the one you just made, then take the money and run.  There is NOTHING you have mentioned that eliminates the possibility that you would do the same.

[Vod]

Apparently, this site is full of trolls and these are not the kind of people that I want to build a financial relationship with. I rescind my request.

Trolls post simply to disrupt a thread.  I saw no trolling, just legitimate concerns about your (rescinded) request.

You should order the item in my signature.  Only 1btc!

[Crookid]

If I came to your face, would you say that? Oh wait, you'd have your mouth full.

[Buffer Overflow]

Since 10 BTC = 10,000 units on Seals and games run as low as 1/2, it is mathematically impossible to lose with the winrate established.

So if no-one can lose, where do the winnings come from?

Can you please answer this question. It not trolling, it's a valid question.

[Crookid]

winnings come from other players' losses and winnings are shared with investors at an agreed price.

my quote reads that it is mathematically impossible to have any tangible risk of ruin.


http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/risk_of_ruin/


use the link above and type in the following conservative values (1000 for bb, 5 for wr, 250 for standard deviation, RoR = 0.0000113% - and thats conservative)

with games as low as 1 (sb) / 2 (bb = big blind) and 10,000 units / 2 bb = 5,000 (where only 1,000 is used above) so now you can see that it is in fact mathematically impossible as the WR (winrate) exceeds 5 and the deviation is likely half of what is listed above.  

now add in the fact that the site does freerolls (win units without any investment) and you can see how even the most risk averse person should have no problems.

I just got back from the casino and made $68 in 3 hours time (a little better than par for the course against my lifetime wr) and while that is nothing astounding nor breath taking, it was in a $1 (sb) $2 (bb) uncapped game (buy in for $1,000,000 if you like) and seals runs penny, nickel, and dime equivalent poker. All things considered, I am supposed to be beating it for a good wr. I have my reasons for why I play there (I think bitcoin poker will grow and the games offered will be better) along with a few others. I do play on another anonymous poker site (Bovada) where I play $.25 (sb) $.50 (bb) games and I beat that for a solid wr.  

I understand that there are gambling degenerates out there with poor RoR management that are willing to roll over on a debt, but like most bad things in the world, these people represent a minority of the (poker) population. My original goal was to establish a line of credit (trust) with someone with a good amount of BTC and prove dividends so that if games on seals (or any other bitcoin poker site) ever do get to the point of player liquidity (like the mainstream sites) that I can play bigger games and have as many BTC readily available as needed (which equates to larger dividends for the investor).  Unfortunately, since bitcoin poker is in its infancy, poker staking sites do not have investors with readily available BTC.  Perhaps, I am ahead of my time here or perhaps bitcoin poker will never make the mainstream. However nonetheless, I found it important to create trust (win shares of dividends for loaner) on a smallish loan. It's like giving someone free money.  The proof is in the math above.

[lile]

You never answered my question. Are you willing to provide a copy of your ID, proof of income, phone number and address? It's a perfectly legitimate question.

You could also try your luck on btcjam.

I hope you don't consider this post as trolling. 

[Crookid]

I am willing to do whatever is appropriate.

[Buffer Overflow]

winnings come from other players' losses and winnings are shared with investors at an agreed price.
my quote reads that it is mathematically impossible to have any tangible risk of ruin.

No, your quote previously reads:

Since 10 BTC = 10,000 units on Seals and games run as low as 1/2, it is mathematically impossible to lose with the winrate established.

which clearly states it's impossible to lose.


I think your confused about the words "impossible" and "improbable". They are a Pacific ocean of difference apart.

Since the beginning of time, many a foolish gambler believed they found the magical formula that will beat the system and pave the way to unthinkable riches. As history as proven, most end up in the gutter.
Your not the first and you won't be the last.

Let me introduce you to a little secret. (whisper in ear) "The magical formula doesn't exist."

[Crookid]

I guess my last 6 years of tax returns prove nothing  

gee, I should stop playing poker effective immediately, supporting my kids' college funds, and new car payments because Buffer Overflow uttered that no "magic formula" exists. Boy, what have I been doing with myself these past years? How foolish to think that I can continue to win with such a large RoR on my overall bankroll of 0.00000000006682%  

I guess I should attend the nearest gamblers anonymous meeting.  I am such a fool.

[Buffer Overflow]

Mr. Crooked made so much money over the last 6 years, that's why he's requesting a loan!

My lie'o'meter detector has just exploded.

LOL 

Reality of situation: Lost all money at poker and now broke.

I am such a fool.

No comment. (But you can guess what everyone is thinking.)

[Crookid]

Dude, you couldn't possibly make a bigger ass of yourself.

[Buffer Overflow]

Three words:

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

LOL 

[Crookid]

+2 BTC since you started your trolling a couple of hours ago.

Dude, get a life and stop trolling people.

[Buffer Overflow]

How come you label everyone a troll when 'awkward' valid questions about your loan request come your way?

You claim your some hot-shot gambler. But also request a small loan for gambling, which suggests your gambling isn't going to well and/or you cannot manage your money properly?

The story doesn't add up. Please explain in your next post this, without insulting comments, avoiding the question or causing a distraction by mumbling about standard deviations.