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November 07, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
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why would you create a vanity address that looks like random meaningless crap ?
then why on earth would you go and run right away and check i fit had coins in it ?
i think your behavior+story is fishy / sketchy guy..

Well as explained in the OP. Here's more detail of what occurred.

I was testing in armory the import private key function. So typed something random and clicked enter in vanitygen.
I then proceeded to add it to my wallet to only find my wallet displaying a balance. Confused. I checked blockchain and to much my surprise
noticed there was a balance sitting on that address.

I was going to do one test then go to generate an address using the first few chrs of some significance like a name, object for example.

Yes again you shouldn't believe me and I don't believe it either since such an event is astronomically improbable. I mostly just wanted to know the odds
and got my answer in this thread.

so you have the private keys to that address?

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November 07, 2015, 06:51:44 PM
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That is impossible. It is mostly likely the op is lying. If the balance is deposited 2 - 3 years ago with 50 to 200 bitcoins on it I would believe. The fact that the address is deposited at the time he created the vanity address is very fishy.

Consider the number is like 1X10^32, having it within a few hours vs 1000 days away, is still almost just as impossibly unlikely. It be adding a few extra zeros
instead of like.

1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00
Its
1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
For example. At this point 2-3 years away or few hours away wouldn't happen in many universe life times. Regardless.
No one ever finds an address that cointains coins.

Yes if I was you I'd be saying the OP is lying and frankly you'd be insane not to. Its just too improbable for it to be true.

so you have the private keys to that address?

Yes I do after finding it
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November 07, 2015, 06:54:06 PM
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That is impossible. It is mostly likely the op is lying. If the balance is deposited 2 - 3 years ago with 50 to 200 bitcoins on it I would believe. The fact that the address is deposited at the time he created the vanity address is very fishy.

Consider the number is like 1X10^32, having it within a few hours vs 1000 days away, is still almost just as impossibly unlikely. It be adding a few extra zeros
instead of like.

1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00
Its
1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
For example. At this point 2-3 years away or few hours away wouldn't happen in many universe life times. Regardless.
No one ever finds an address that cointains coins.

Yes if I was you I'd be saying the OP is lying and frankly you'd be insane not to. Its just too improbable for it to be true.

so you have the private keys to that address?

Yes I do after finding it

Can you post a signed message with that address?

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November 07, 2015, 06:58:39 PM
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Can you post a signed message with that address?

1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

jacklito has found this address through vanitygen and now has the privatekeys for it

HCr11NL9hdUYHDjMWkaPw8PjbD2LAgLESwqM9RVfG/pZHiBHRFlBvbOREngoCbI/D5/mdB7jp1QbOz3D9g6Luco=
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November 07, 2015, 11:45:00 PM
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Can you post a signed message with that address?

1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

jacklito has found this address through vanitygen and now has the privatekeys for it

HCr11NL9hdUYHDjMWkaPw8PjbD2LAgLESwqM9RVfG/pZHiBHRFlBvbOREngoCbI/D5/mdB7jp1QbOz3D9g6Luco=

Maybe the vanity app has a shitty random number generator, and it generates in patterns that repeat on several PC's.

I recomment an audit of the vanity app fast, before somebody gets his BTC stolen.

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November 08, 2015, 01:58:36 AM
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I understand why no one would believe this since its so improbable. It shouldn't happen in many universe lifetimes. However I checked it on blockchain seems to be a recently deposited address of some coins.

I used a vanitygen program to generate an address. Did one as a test or so, and see how the process of adding privatekey to your client works exactly, before I go out and generate an address with a name, or thing in the first few chars. Much to my surprise it contained 0.248127 BTC. Which doesn't make any sense what so ever. Sure its possible but we are talking many universe lifetimes for such an occurrence to occur.
https://blockchain.info/address/1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

I can understand why you'd think I am making this up. I would say the same thing in your position as well. The thing is anyone to generate a vanity generated address that has BTC in it is so unlikely that no one would even think once about it being true.

Anyways I thought I should let you know

Update: I am just wondering if someone could calculate the odds and post it here of the odds of such an event occurring.
its highely unlikely. what makes it even harder to believe is that the address was funded the sameday you found the key. i smell something fishy.
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November 08, 2015, 03:35:43 AM
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This is a fantastic story and i don't know what to believe.
I wish there was more ways to verify his story.

Buy some lottery tickets OP Wink

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November 08, 2015, 04:08:05 AM
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4241376
If you are lucky as this man you would certainly find another addy via vanity.

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November 08, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
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damn lucky guy huh... but i still find it fishy finding an address of that kind with bitcoins through vanity is really impossible..
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November 08, 2015, 04:44:28 PM
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damn lucky guy huh... but i still find it fishy finding an address of that kind with bitcoins through vanity is really impossible..

The thing is such improbable events should never happen. If you hear 1 in (Big Number) anything of that occurring
to anyone is just assume a make belief or a lie.

What if it really happened to a person per say "Joe" lets say. In an infinite amount of universes or realities there is bond to be one that has an insane event occur. Theoretically a person could walk through a concrete wall if all the quantum particles in his body were to shift momentarily. Yes its Googolplex to one, but then again its not 100% "0"
Just its so close to zero that you might as well call it 0.
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November 08, 2015, 10:00:13 PM
Last edit: November 08, 2015, 10:20:57 PM by notbatman
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Can you post a signed message with that address?

1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

jacklito has found this address through vanitygen and now has the privatekeys for it

HCr11NL9hdUYHDjMWkaPw8PjbD2LAgLESwqM9RVfG/pZHiBHRFlBvbOREngoCbI/D5/mdB7jp1QbOz3D9g6Luco=

Maybe the vanity app has a shitty random number generator, and it generates in patterns that repeat on several PC's.

I recomment an audit of the vanity app fast, before somebody gets his BTC stolen.

I think the moral of the story here is don't use an address gen that uses the date & time to seed the PRNG. Of coarse there could be trickery involved here like making a fake vanity gen DOS box in photoshop with an existing addy. It's a vanity gen why would the OP create an addy with 1AxPR that's not exactly a very vein address...  
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November 08, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
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That address was only funded about an hour or two before your post so the logical assumption, at least for me, would be that you funded the address.

Odds of such an event occurring...
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November 08, 2015, 10:21:38 PM
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Let’s say it’s 2045 and the world population is 9 billion. In an unrealistic scenario, every single person on the earth is using Bitcoin and each person has created and used 10 million addresses; yes let’s go overboard with this: that would mean a total of 90,000,000,000,000,000 addresses spent addresses.
So, the possibility of collision, in this scenario is:
90,000,000,000,000,000 / 2^160 = 0.00000000000000000000000000000000615%
You see, 2^160 is really a very large number. Very large. Much larger than our brains can comprehend.

http://www.miguelmoreno.net/bitcoin-address-collision/

So about 1 in 160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 is the odds?

Or 1 in 1.6 Nonillion?

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Comparatively speaking, your odds of being struck by lightning are about 1 in 280,000, so you’re about 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more likely to be struck by lightning than to find an address within the first year. Since that’s also a big number, the odds are equivalent to being struck by lightning about 4.6 times in your lifetime.

Wasn't there a guy that got struck by lighting 7 times in a row?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan

the chances are extremely low.

Indeed


On Saturday morning, June 25, 1977, Sullivan was struck while fishing in a freshwater pool. The lightning hit the top of his head, singed his hair, traveled down, and burnt his chest and stomach. Sullivan turned to his car when something unexpected occurred — a bear approached the pond and tried to steal trout from his fishing line. Sullivan had the strength and courage to strike the bear with a tree branch. He claimed that this was the twenty-second time he hit a bear with a stick in his lifetime.


"Daddy, please tell me the story again about when you were hit 22 times by the same man with the same stick by the same pond while fetching trout over the course of several years."
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November 09, 2015, 04:00:53 AM
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I heard that story many times, its probably hoax bullshit.

He is just an attention whore probably inventing fake stories to get attention.

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November 09, 2015, 04:36:52 AM
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Lightning strikes are common..
http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime

They also tend to strike in places repeatedly.
Proof of this is the advice they gave you to steer clear of them.
They are attracted to things like the highest point.. such as a tree etc.
Then there is rock that could affect that.

Bears are habitual.. i was camping a couple months ago and had 5 bear encounters.

They can smell a chocolate bar through a wrapper from more than a mile away.
They follow predetermined routes and usually stay in their own marked territories.
So if you go in that same spot again and again your going to see the same bear again.

Watch, Through The Wormhole - S05E02 - Is Luck Real
It does a good job talking about the issue.

and the fact that people over estimate the rarity of things.. and underestimate others.
a lot of myths about luck are easily dispelled.
like having the same birthday as someone else.. people think it's rare / special
that show i mentioned broke the numbers down and showed how it's not unusual at all.

i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?

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November 09, 2015, 04:39:51 AM
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i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?

Luck is real.

I dont believe in determinism.

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November 09, 2015, 08:30:02 AM
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i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?

Luck is real.

I dont believe in determinism.

This is fuckin' amazing! You posted exactly what I was just gonna post, including the forgotten apostrophe in don't. What are the odds?
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November 09, 2015, 10:01:36 AM
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Perhaps the most likely explanation is that he created the address in vanity gen, filled it with Bitcoins then posted this bearish thread claiming somebody else put them there. I feel this is the most likely explanation as it takes the least amount of effort compared with crafting a fake DOS box or cracking a poorly coded encryption application not seeded properly.

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November 09, 2015, 10:40:53 AM
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i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?

Luck is real.

I dont believe in determinism.

This is fuckin' amazing! You posted exactly what I was just gonna post, including the forgotten apostrophe in don't. What are the odds?

Much higher than what the OP claims to be happening. Although he can lie, but I would not rule out a possibility of compromized vanity software.

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