3 year old child pee's in his yard, police fine mother $2500

[fornit]

actually both are beliefs. the opposite of a correct statement is a false statement, the opposite of an belief is another belief.

Nope.

A belief is:

something believed;  an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.

The opposite of a belief is a fact:

something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

you fail to see the differences in the definitions: facts have to be true while beliefs dont necessarily have to be false, they just cant be proven.
"the earth is flat" is a false statement. "the earth is a not flat" is a correct statement.
"there is intelligent life on other planets" is a belief. "there is no intelligent life on other planets" is also a belief.

Sorry to ruin your belief with facts.

the only thing you are ruining is my optimistic belief in humanity...

[myrkul]

you fail to see the differences in the definitions: facts have to be true while beliefs dont necessarily have to be false, they just cant be proven.

Facts can be proven. Beliefs cannot be.

The opposite of a specific belief may be another belief, or it may be a fact.

The opposite of "a belief" is "a fact."

[Explodicle]

I don't think statism is the root cause of this problem, it's social conservatism. An anarchist community could adopt a rule like "no visible peeing" too. The tool we use to enforce those norms (voting, bidding, consensus, etc) are independent of the norms. Even if you're supposedly adhering to the NAP (which isn't the only anarchism), there are social conservatives who will argue that "flashing is aggression" all day. They'd be wrong, but there's enough of them that they'd be able to sustain anarchist communities of their own.

[fornit]

you fail to see the differences in the definitions: facts have to be true while beliefs dont necessarily have to be false, they just cant be proven.

Facts can be proven. Beliefs cannot be.

The opposite of a specific belief may be another belief, or it may be a fact.

The opposite of "a belief" is "a fact."

->  karl popper, objective knowledge

you might not be stupid but you certainly lack philosophic education.

[myrkul]

Nananananananananananana I don't want to hear it nanananananananananana

+1

...still giggling.

[Rudd-O]

actually both are beliefs. the opposite of a correct statement is a false statement, the opposite of an belief is another belief.

Nope.

A belief is:

something believed;  an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.

or:

confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

or:

a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

The opposite of a belief is a fact:

something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

or:

something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.

or:

a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

Sorry to ruin your belief with facts.

BOOM!  Flawless victory.  Excellent response.

[firefop]

He's lucky he's not on the sex offender list.

Very True.

I have a neighbor... who got prosecuted as a sex offender for taking a leak behind his tractor tire, in his field, about 150 feet from a state highway... where a trooper had pulled over a mini-van full of kids.

[FreeMoney]

He shouldn't have been peeing in the officer's yard.

[memvola]

you fail to see the differences in the definitions: facts have to be true while beliefs dont necessarily have to be false, they just cant be proven.

Facts can be proven. Beliefs cannot be.

The opposite of a specific belief may be another belief, or it may be a fact.

The opposite of "a belief" is "a fact."

->  karl popper, objective knowledge

you might not be stupid but you certainly lack philosophic education.

fornit's absolutely right here. Terrible discourse, even though I'd be on the AnCap side of the debate.

Exactly.  It is not a "belief" to conclude that "it's clearly wrong to fine a mother for her toddler urinating in her own house" -- it's just a statement of painfully obvious fact.

Good rhetoric, but please refrain from pushing it as a formal statement.

Going back to USA being a hellhole... At least everything is being openly discussed, that should be a good sign.

[Bitcoin Oz]

Luckily the dog or their kids never got shot.

[Rudd-O]

Luckily the dog or their kids never got shot.

That would have been par for the course. We are, after all, talking about armed costumed men who will brutalize and even kill you if you resist obeying them. The cow is only good insofar as it produces milk and offspring -- cows who resist this are quickly slaughtered.