to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims

[galdur]

Well, I guess there´s an international law against attacking other countries without any truthful justification and on totally false pretenses, at least if the attacker eventually ends up being the losing side.

[dbnpoizned]

Well if I only had one choice I'd rather hang out with a bunch of Arabs than these clowns in Europe's far-right.

Did anybody see them get kicked out of Liverpool on the weekend? by a bunch of socialist/anarchist types and the trade union folks. Lol they are meant to be hardcore football hooligans but they get sent home by a bunch of tea-smoking hippies and trust-fund Marxists.

In the UK we have one anti-Muslim party but they are a local joke, they call themselves UKIP, their leader looks like a frog and he couldn't even win a seat in parliament. Ironically there are probably more Muslims on the electoral register than UKIP supporters.

The truth of the matter is this:

MOST Europeans welcome refugees from anywhere on Earth.
MOST Europeans judge a foreigner on his or her individual actions and willingness to integrate and contribute to society, not their race/religion or culture.
MOST Europeans hang our heads in shame when we see people like Marine Le Pen, Golden Dawn or PAGIDA using fear and distrust to propel their political careers.

[PrikiNo.1]

I think, instead of asking why europeans countires accept muslims, we should ask our self: When we plan to teach this people that Islam is not the answer?

What I mean by that? People who belong to this religion think that the Islam is the right way of believing in God! Do you think that this is normal thing? If that text is sacred as they says, then why it teach them to look in one direction?

I don't have against muslims, but I can not accept the fact that those people believe so blindly in that texts!

[galdur]

I think, instead of asking why europeans countires accept muslims, we should ask our self: When we plan to teach this people that Islam is not the answer?

What I mean by that? People who belong to this religion think that the Islam is the right way of believing in God! Do you think that this is normal thing? If that text is sacred as they says, then why it teach them to look in one direction?

I don't have against muslims, but I can not accept the fact that those people believe so blindly in that texts!

I don´t know: if adults are into this imaginary friends in the sky thing, doesn´t it make more sense to try to standardize it? So called christians have literally thousands of sects and cults everyone of which believes that theirs is the only right god and the way to believe. So they don´t even agree on the number of those imaginary friends. Which is understandable since what those heavenly creatures are mostly interested in is money for their deputies in charge of all those cults. It´s competing rackets, that´s all.

[croato]

My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.

[galdur]

My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.

How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that.  War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.

[RodeoX]

I'm going to sponsor a Syrian family to stay with me. Anybody know an agency/NGO helping the refugees? My home is open.  

Never mind, I found a contact.

EDIT: Ok, I have put aside 2K $USD to help with expenses and basic needs while the family settles in. I hope to be of some help in navigating the systems here in America. I'll also see what I can do to help them find work.

A good start would be to get them into some work with electrical. After that job have them work in a mining operation so they can get familiar with explosives.

Failing that just get them working in a gun store or gun range.

All winning jobs for new refugees, should greatly reduce their jihadi incubation stages.

Good ideas. Unlike Americans, people in the rest of the world know how to do things besides deliver pizzas to each other. I'll have to look into the trades.

[practicaldreamer]

" to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims"


There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.

2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.

They were British.

The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).

If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.

[RodeoX]

" to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims"


There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.

2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.

They were British.

The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).

If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.

Well said. Obviously you have not been scared by the terrorist operation in Paris. You sir are the jihaddi's great fear, someone with a backbone.

[dbnpoizned]

My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.

How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that.  War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.

You are spot on bro, follow the money every time:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/mick-wallace-says-arms-industry-shares-up-4-in-three-days-1.2433873

And if you follow the money trail far enough it usually lead you back to Saudi Arabia, a country literally run by religious extremists and armed by NATO. Oh but they are our buddies so we never talk about that.

[galdur]

My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.

How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that.  War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.

You are spot on bro, follow the money every time:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/mick-wallace-says-arms-industry-shares-up-4-in-three-days-1.2433873

And if you follow the money trail far enough it usually lead you back to Saudi Arabia, a country literally run by religious extremists and armed by NATO. Oh but they are our buddies so we never talk about that.

Yeah, as usual when lots of hot air is being spewed by politicians and presstitutes it´s best to focus on what they avoid mentioning. Especially if it´s an elementary-my-dear-watson thing like money and financial  interests. And of course always watch what whey do more closely than what they say.

[mohsin qureshi]

Well being a muslim i believe on humanity and respect for other religions existing in the world. The refugees are also suffered due to this stupid terrorism on the name of Islam. But unfortunately some people who seems that they are right and Extremisms is the right way. But they totally wrong there is no justification of stupid attacks. Yes it is the good human behavior of western countries to gave poor muslims a safe shelter. 99% of muslims are peaceful.

[Harry Hood]

I don't understand how Europeans decided it was a good idea to accept muslim immigrants and asylum seekers, refugees etc etc

can someone explain to me the thought process of how local Europeans and their governments decided being over run by muslims was a good strategy for the future of Europe?

I truly believe Islam is not compatible with democracy and the western world, but that is another debate.

Where are you from?

Why do you believe Islam is not compatible with democracy?

Are you not for helping people in need?

[Spendulus]

My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.

How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that.  War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.

You are spot on bro, follow the money every time:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/mick-wallace-says-arms-industry-shares-up-4-in-three-days-1.2433873

And if you follow the money trail far enough it usually lead you back to Saudi Arabia, a country literally run by religious extremists and armed by NATO. Oh but they are our buddies so we never talk about that.

I'm calling you out on this.  It's an easy, glib thing to say.  But is it true?

I have reason to think it is not true, that Saudi funds the money trail of ISIS.

So if you want to assert it, can you prove it?

Thanks.

[practicaldreamer]

Obviously you have not been scared by the terrorist operation in Paris. You sir are the jihaddi's great fear, someone with a backbone.

Whats your analysis of the situation ?

[jasonjm]

" to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims"


There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.

2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.

They were British.

The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).

If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.

how many of those 4 people you mention were muslim? let me guess? all 4?

which makes it even worse. Shows my points even more strongly, the fact that they are born in those countries and have not assimilated in any way, muslim above british, pro islam vs pro democracy - but this fact seems to be lost on you.

yes there is an oil issue at play, but explain how the 4 muslims in growing up in Britain were in any way impacted by oil wars in the middle east? They were not. They obviously felt more Muslim than British. I am not saying the oil wars are right, they are not, but in this case those 4 guys were not displaced families from US bombs in iraq or similar.

And the real kicker is instead of attacking government offices, or military bases, what do they do? attack defenseless civilians, of course!

Which is my point, Muslims and the west are not compatible. It is a waste of time discussing anything. There is a core sect of muslims that hate democracy and hate the west, and they will always find an excuse to be upset and to attack. If its not oil, it will be Israel. If its not Israel it will be infidels. If it is not infidels it will be someone drawing Mohammed. if its not drawing Mohammed it will be you are denying them sharia law, if its not that it will be someone in their neighborhood is selling pork etc etc etc

All this while the silent majority of muslims say, hey, most of us are peaceful, but inside are doing nothing to stop the crazies, and cheering them on, sometimes not so silently, please see the video of the crowd at the recent greece turkey soccer game.

I wasn't asking how are we going to get along, that is a waste of time.

I was asking why do Europeans let people in who they are not going to get along with, its just plain stupid.

[jasonjm]

and I never thought I would see the day where I cheer on Russian forces instead of US armed forces, but the day has arrived.

Russians blowing the hell out of 500 ISIS fuel trucks, the ISIS money machine.

for some perverse reason I think Obama / CIA is going to be very unhappy with this video. Oh wait, Obama couldn't find them, they were too camouflaged.

the world is so messed up. Obama creates the ISIS syria crisis, creates the refugee crisis, and then pretends he cannot find Isis when it all backfires on him.

what a terrible president, and a terrible man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgYbiCGYy2c&feature=youtu.be

[Spendulus]

" to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims"


There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.

2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.

They were British.

The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).

If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.

how many of those 4 people you mention were muslim? let me guess? all 4?

which makes it even worse. Shows my points even more strongly, the fact that they are born in those countries and have not assimilated in any way, muslim above british, pro islam vs pro democracy - but this fact seems to be lost on you.

yes there is an oil issue at play, but explain how the 4 muslims in growing up in Britain were in any way impacted by oil wars in the middle east? They were not. They obviously felt more Muslim than British. I am not saying the oil wars are right, they are not, but in this case those 4 guys were not displaced families from US bombs in iraq or similar.

And the real kicker is instead of attacking government offices, or military bases, what do they do? attack defenseless civilians, of course!

Which is my point, Muslims and the west are not compatible. It is a waste of time discussing anything. There is a core sect of muslims that hate democracy and hate the west, and they will always find an excuse to be upset and to attack. If its not oil, it will be Israel. If its not Israel it will be infidels. If it is not infidels it will be someone drawing Mohammed. if its not drawing Mohammed it will be you are denying them sharia law, if its not that it will be someone in their neighborhood is selling pork etc etc etc

All this while the silent majority of muslims say, hey, most of us are peaceful, but inside are doing nothing to stop the crazies, and cheering them on, sometimes not so silently, please see the video of the crowd at the recent greece turkey soccer game.

I wasn't asking how are we going to get along, that is a waste of time.

I was asking why do Europeans let people in who they are not going to get along with, its just plain stupid.

I view it as the end product of political correctness gone amuk.

For example, we have immigration policies and procedures.  People with certain contageous diseases are not allowed to immigrate.  Prostitutes are not allowed.  Felony level convictions are a disallowance.  On and on, including people with ties to known terrorist organisations.

Make no mistake about it, the current ABUSE of the "refugee status" is a clear attempt to make an end run around the rules.

I don't care whether the reason is disease, criminal record, or terrorist history.  Such people should be not allowed in, but when the "refugee card" is played, it trumps these factors and trumps common sense.

[practicaldreamer]

yes there is an oil issue at play, but explain how the 4 muslims in growing up in Britain were in any way impacted by oil wars in the middle east? They were not. They obviously felt more Muslim than British. I am not saying the oil wars are right, they are not, but in this case those 4 guys were not displaced families from US bombs in iraq or similar.

You make some valid points - but let me make one thing clear - I am in no way an apologist for their actions. Far from it - they have forfeited their rights to life as far as I'm concerned. No, its just that I am more concerned with getting at the root cause of the problem - I actually don't want to see a repitition of what occurred last Friday.

And to my mind, the root cause is not Islam. For years they told us that the root cause of the troubles in Ireland was religion also - in that case it was supposed to be Catholicism vs. Protestantism.
 Of course, this was just a red herring, the legitimation that was expediant to maintain an exploitative domination - the root of the problem was British emperialism. But if you say that out loud in the current climate you are supposed to be some kind of lilly livered nancy boy.


     I mean, I know there are those among us that have a much stronger stomach than me, and a more sterling backbone - they are most likely calling for co-ordinated airstrikes and boots on the ground etc etc. as we speak.
    Whereas I personally have been calling for a more honest debate on the issues on foreign policy re. the middle east for a long time, certainly way before 9/11. I have had, and do have, relatives serving out there - so I have a personal vested interest you could say.

   Off to bed for me now. I'll just say this before I go - history repeats itself, first as tragedy, and then as farce.

  All you have to work out is, are you tragic - or are you a joke ?

[Spendulus]

yes there is an oil issue at play, but explain how the 4 muslims in growing up in Britain were in any way impacted by oil wars in the middle east? They were not. They obviously felt more Muslim than British. I am not saying the oil wars are right, they are not, but in this case those 4 guys were not displaced families from US bombs in iraq or similar.

You make some valid points - but let me make one thing clear - I am in no way an apologist for their actions. Far from it - they have forfeited their rights to life as far as I'm concerned. No, its just that I am more concerned with getting at the root cause of the problem - I actually don't want to see a repitition of what occurred last Friday.

And to my mind, the root cause is not Islam. For years they told us that the root cause of the troubles in Ireland was religion also - in that case it was supposed to be Catholicism vs. Protestantism.
 Of course, this was just a red herring, the legitimation that was expediant to maintain an exploitative domination - the root of the problem was British emperialism. But if you say that out loud in the current climate you are supposed to be some kind of lilly livered nancy boy.


     I mean, I know there are those among us that have a much stronger stomach than me, and a more sterling backbone - they are most likely calling for co-ordinated airstrikes and boots on the ground etc etc. as we speak.
    Whereas I personally have been calling for a more honest debate on the issues on foreign policy re. the middle east for a long time, certainly way before 9/11. I have had, and do have, relatives serving out there - so I have a personal vested interest you could say.

   Off to bed for me now. I'll just say this before I go - history repeats itself, first as tragedy, and then as farce.

  All you have to work out is, are you tragic - or are you a joke ?

Catholics in New Zealand are not, for some reason, blowing up Protestant churches in some weird kind of association with issues in Ireland.  I think that is a comparable scenario....

Because of many easily thought out examples like this, I am strongly included to assert some causation to a phenomena of violence associated strictly with Islam, to some aspects of Islam itself.