Christians are a hate group.

[Blithe]

As a christian, its hard to read/hear this kinds of ideals because i kind of admit we Christians have our own pride.

My parents are so judgmental and very sentimental to matters that they think its not natural.

[autumnraynefyr]

The Catholic Church is not Christian.

wow, they are a gay-pedophile church, OK

That's not Christian. Ok. I grew up Catholic, read the bible and found out how much they don't follow it. It's quite clear their church practices have nothing to do with Christianity.

The Catholic Church has turned a lot of people away from God.

Church's in general turn people away from God. There was a study on why people do not Christianity in a whole in the United States, and the most frequent response happened to be that Church's and people whom called themselves Christians did. I am sure that we have all heard about Westboro Baptist Church and their rather infamous expenditures to travel to high profile funerals or events to protest them. The WBC has been classified as a Hate group by numerous groups. However, by judging Christians as a whole, because of the actions of some extremists, is like saying all Middle Easterns are Terrorists because of the Taliban and all German people are extreme racists because of the Nazis. And saying that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christian is condemning all Denomination of Christianity, or is a history lesson in order..?

Up until the 16th Century, the Roman Catholic Church was pretty much the only denomination of Christianity until a German Friar by the name of Martin Luther nailed a paper of 95 faults or theses with the church including the use of money taken from church members supposedly to purchase salvation from purgatory. This instigated the Great Schism and the Protestant Reform in where denominations protested against the Roman Catholic Church and made their own different denominations with each one having their own beliefs.

But Yes, with differing beliefs comes difference of opinions.. Which has led many Christian groups to be vehemently against something or another, such as Gay Marriage, but also with these beliefs, would it be hard to believe that many denominations today do not really follow the teachings of their named Messiah, Jesus Christ, simply because they choose to live in the Old Testament of their Holy Scriptures and completely ignore the only thing their Messiah asked of them..? That we simply need to love and help our fellow man and woman, regardless of their creed, sexual orientation, etc. Many denominations forget this and you have Christians condemning people of their actions and driving them away from God because people think that if they become Christian they would be the same.

What I am trying to saying though, not every Christian is a hatemonger, just like not every middle eastern is a terrorist or every German man or woman is a Nazi. Condemning everyone for the actions of few is something that also cause fear and derision.. So is thinking that everyone that falls into a group is the same as everyone else in that group. Even the leader of this so called "Unchristian Church", Pope Francis, has gone on record as to condemn that condemnation that Christians wrought on other people and reminding people of the teachings of Paul wherein mercy and forgiveness are key, not to mention not condemning others. There is a famous scripture that I like to quote to proselytizers all of the time, which in verbatim talks about "why do you confront your brother about the speck in his eye, yet do not see the log in your own eye, would it not be easier to remove the log from you own eye first that you could see clearly enough to see the speck in your brothers..?"

[BARR_Official]

I am sure that we have all heard about Westboro Baptist Church

Yes, we hear about those 12 people all the time.  Some people love to mention them as examples of Christianity. 

Up until the 16th Century, the Roman Catholic Church was pretty much the only denomination of Christianity

Because they didn't allow anyone to read the Bible.

Which has led many Christian groups to be vehemently against something or another, such as Gay Marriage, but also with these beliefs, would it be hard to believe that many denominations today do not really follow the teachings of their named Messiah, Jesus Christ, simply because they choose to live in the Old Testament of their Holy Scriptures and completely ignore the only thing their Messiah asked of them..? That we simply need to love and help our fellow man and woman, regardless of their creed, sexual orientation, etc.

Jesus didn't say to approve of sexual immorality.  He told the prostitute to go and sin no more.   

Many denominations forget this

Many people forget where babies come from.

and you have Christians condemning people of their actions and driving them away from God

They would have to be near God to be driven away. 

There is a famous scripture that I like to quote to proselytizers all of the time, which in verbatim talks about "why do you confront your brother about the speck in his eye, yet do not see the log in your own eye, would it not be easier to remove the log from you own eye first that you could see clearly enough to see the speck in your brothers..?"

If I remove the log from my eye, then what will you tell me when I point out something you shouldn't be doing? 

Will you have another answer for why bad is good and wrong is right?

[autumnraynefyr]

So I should really break these up like you broke mine up to counter-point them.

I am sure that we have all heard about Westboro Baptist Church

Yes, we hear about those 12 people all the time.  Some people love to mention them as examples of Christianity. 

If you read, I mentioned WBC as a form of Extremism, in the fact their website alone points at the nature of Hate Crimes, "godhatesfags"

Up until the 16th Century, the Roman Catholic Church was pretty much the only denomination of Christianity

Because they didn't allow anyone to read the Bible.

Until the protestant reform, the Holy Bible was written mostly in a then dead language, Latin and Aramaic, the New Testament texts were largely written in Greek.. But also average people were not very privileged to education and remained vastly illiterate.

Which has led many Christian groups to be vehemently against something or another, such as Gay Marriage, but also with these beliefs, would it be hard to believe that many denominations today do not really follow the teachings of their named Messiah, Jesus Christ, simply because they choose to live in the Old Testament of their Holy Scriptures and completely ignore the only thing their Messiah asked of them..? That we simply need to love and help our fellow man and woman, regardless of their creed, sexual orientation, etc.

Jesus didn't say to approve of sexual immorality.  He told the prostitute to go and sin no more. 

No, he did not say to approve of sin, and yes he did say to go and sin no more, however, how are Christians to love people if they show love by hating the person and not the sin.. Is that what they teach in churches in this day in age, Hate the sinner and not the sin itself? Because the sin is the terminal illness that all humans are born into, and sin is fatal.

Many denominations forget this

Many people forget where babies come from.

How many tenants of faith are universal..? I mean besides Jesus Christ being the Messiah.. Not all denominations believe that the Tri-fold (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) are one Entity, Most Pentecostal sects believe that you do not have salvation until you are baptized in the Holy Ghost which is an event completely separated from repentance of one's sins and being baptized by water, there are some denominations that believe that once you are saved, your salvation cannot be wrenched from you, while others believe that sinning can strip you of your place in Heaven.. There are many beliefs but many seem to pass over the teachings that were directed at Christ's Students (In general, Christians) and delve themselves in the history of God's Chosen People, the descendants of Abraham. And that being said, if we are meant to live in the old testament and completely ignore the new, then why do we not follow every law and commandment in the old testament, like stoning women caught in adultery (and the man that they are caught with) or selling our daughters into slavery?

and you have Christians condemning people of their actions and driving them away from God

They would have to be near God to be driven away.

The point I was making there is how could you be near God to be driven away if the cause of what drove you away isn't God-inspired, saying that, I know will be wrought with confusion.. How can God be in a place that has even pushed God away in the first place. If you don't believe my words, then read about the 12 churches in Revelations and tell me how many of those 12 churches actually are looked upon favorably.

There is a famous scripture that I like to quote to proselytizers all of the time, which in verbatim talks about "why do you confront your brother about the speck in his eye, yet do not see the log in your own eye, would it not be easier to remove the log from you own eye first that you could see clearly enough to see the speck in your brothers..?"

If I remove the log from my eye, then what will you tell me when I point out something you shouldn't be doing? 

Will you have another answer for why bad is good and wrong is right?

The only way to answer that is to quote another writer that quoted Pope Francis (A seemingly hated guy here as he is the leader of the Roman Catholic Church) in this article:

Drop the innocent look and the habit of judging others, Pope Francis said; recognizing one’s own faults and failings is the first requirement of being a good Christian.

In fact, paradoxically, one finds peace and relief in judging one’s own sins, being merciful toward others and saying, “Who am I to judge?” he said March 2 during his homily at a morning Mass celebrated in the chapel of the Domus Sanctae Marthae, where he lives.

The pope’s homily was based on the day’s reading from the Book of Daniel, which laments, “We have sinned, been wicked and done evil,” and expresses the shame of having rebelled against God who is so full of compassion and mercy. It also focused on the Gospel reading according to St. Luke, in which Jesus tells his disciples to stop judging and condemning, but to “be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.”

Pope Francis said it is so easy to shift the blame.

[BARR_Official]

Until the protestant reform, the Holy Bible was written mostly in a then dead language, Latin and Aramaic, the New Testament texts were largely written in Greek.. But also average people were not very privileged to education and remained vastly illiterate.

It wasn't so much a problem with literacy, because one literate person could read a Bible to everyone in town.  But who would teach him Latin, when only Catholic Priests knew Latin?

So the real problem was that the Catholic Church did not allow the Bible to be read in any living language.

As I said, the Catholic Church murdered hundreds of thousands of people for reading the Bible, even before the Protestant Reform.


http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Reformation_Rome_crusade_slaughter

Historian J. A. Wylie said this:
It is idle in Rome to say, "I gave you the Bible, and therefore you must believe in me before you can believe in it." The facts...conclusively dispose of this claim. Rome did not give us the Bible—she did all in her power to keep it from us; she retained it under the seal of a dead language; and when others broke that seal, and threw open its pages to all, she stood over the book, and unsheathing her fiery sword, would permit none to read the message of life, save at the peril of eternal anathema"

Is that what they teach in churches in this day in age, Hate the sinner and not the sin itself?

No.  They teach people to be proud of their sin, and to do whatever they want, and to judge righteousness as a personal insult against the unrighteous.

How many tenants of faith are universal..?

For Catholics, only one:  Submit to the Catholic Church.  If you do that, you're Catholic, and you can still practice voodoo or whatever you want.  Any other universal tenets would be judgmental, wouldn't they?

And that being said, if we are meant to live in the old testament and completely ignore the new

Who said to do that?

then why do we not follow every law and commandment in the old testament, like stoning women caught in adultery (and the man that they are caught with) or selling our daughters into slavery?

Where are we commanded to sell our daughters into slavery?

It sounds like you don't believe in the Bible.  More than that, it sounds like you don't even like the Bible.

The point I was making there is how could you be near God to be driven away if the cause of what drove you away isn't God-inspired

Are you saying that God-inspired things can drive people away from God? 

Is that why you are against sharing God's word with others?

[BTCBinary]

People don't need to be so general about it. there's hate groups in all religious quadrants but it is only a small part. The problem is extremists, and those you can find in any religion

[BADecker]

People don't need to be so general about it. there's hate groups in all religious quadrants but it is only a small part. The problem is extremists, and those you can find in any religion

This is true. The questions lie in defining the religions, what they really are, and defining if a person is part of a religion when he say he is or if he is a liar - even though he may not know it.

[peonminer]

[BARR_Official]

People don't need to be so general about it. there's hate groups in all religious quadrants but it is only a small part. The problem is extremists, and those you can find in any religion

This is true. The questions lie in defining the religions, what they really are, and defining if a person is part of a religion when he say he is or if he is a liar - even though he may not know it.

Good point.  There are people who call themselves Christians, even priests, who do not believe that Jesus existed.  Since those people are being used as examples of what my religion is, I see it as important to make a distinction between them and myself.

[Echye]

https://youtu.be/X6-M4crDe1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti629wLy4vU

Christian exercise the right to hate speech in USA.

Put all the people in one bag, gtfo.

[BADecker]

People don't need to be so general about it. there's hate groups in all religious quadrants but it is only a small part. The problem is extremists, and those you can find in any religion

This is true. The questions lie in defining the religions, what they really are, and defining if a person is part of a religion when he say he is or if he is a liar - even though he may not know it.

Good point.  There are people who call themselves Christians, even priests, who do not believe that Jesus existed.  Since those people are being used as examples of what my religion is, I see it as important to make a distinction between them and myself.

This is why Muslims, if they are entirely non-violent, are barely Islamic.   

[Newcoins2020]

People don't need to be so general about it. there's hate groups in all religious quadrants but it is only a small part. The problem is extremists, and those you can find in any religion

Ahh so true, it's a shame to put all the Christians in the same group, when most of them mean well. Most of them don't pressure you to "join them" or even try to convince you into believing into the same thing they do.

[BADecker]

People don't need to be so general about it. there's hate groups in all religious quadrants but it is only a small part. The problem is extremists, and those you can find in any religion

This is true. The questions lie in defining the religions, what they really are, and defining if a person is part of a religion when he say he is or if he is a liar - even though he may not know it.

Good point.  There are people who call themselves Christians, even priests, who do not believe that Jesus existed.  Since those people are being used as examples of what my religion is, I see it as important to make a distinction between them and myself.

This is why Muslims, if they are entirely non-violent, are barely Islamic.   

And Christians who are violent are barely Christian.   

[ridery99]

Documentary Atheists Don't Exist

This is a great Documentary by Keith Thompson (check links below). In this film it's recognized there's no point in endlessly giving "atheists" classical or evidentialist arguments since their fallen nature and faulty unbelieving presuppositions prevent them from accepting them. Plus it is dishonoring to God to let them autonomously weigh evidence for God as if He was on trial and they were the judges. Rather, we reduce the unbeliever's worldview to absurdity noting it can't account for valid human experience (and that Christianity does), and show the God they know deep down is needed to rescue them from such absurdity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sehid3cK4_c

enjoy! 

[Buffer Overflow]

Documentary Atheists Don't Exist

This is a great Documentary by Keith Thompson (check links below). In this film it's recognized there's no point in endlessly giving "atheists" classical or evidentialist arguments since their fallen nature and faulty unbelieving presuppositions prevent them from accepting them. Plus it is dishonoring to God to let them autonomously weigh evidence for God as if He was on trial and they were the judges. Rather, we reduce the unbeliever's worldview to absurdity noting it can't account for valid human experience (and that Christianity does), and show the God they know deep down is needed to rescue them from such absurdity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sehid3cK4_c

enjoy! 

Err, what's this got to do with this topic? I think you may of inadvertently posted in the wrong thread.

[BADecker]

Documentary Atheists Don't Exist

This is a great Documentary by Keith Thompson (check links below). In this film it's recognized there's no point in endlessly giving "atheists" classical or evidentialist arguments since their fallen nature and faulty unbelieving presuppositions prevent them from accepting them. Plus it is dishonoring to God to let them autonomously weigh evidence for God as if He was on trial and they were the judges. Rather, we reduce the unbeliever's worldview to absurdity noting it can't account for valid human experience (and that Christianity does), and show the God they know deep down is needed to rescue them from such absurdity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sehid3cK4_c

enjoy!  

Err, what's this got to do with this topic? I think you may of inadvertently posted in the wrong thread.

That's exactly the point. True Christians love God so much that they want to follow His commands to save as many atheists as possible. In addition, the Christians are trying to do it without offending either God or the atheists.

Only Jesus knows the right way to do it. But Christians are forgive when they make mistakes trying. They are even rewarded for trying, and much more if they succeed. They will be rewarded by God in the hereafter even more.

Christians are a love group.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Documentary Atheists Don't Exist

This is a great Documentary by Keith Thompson (check links below). In this film it's recognized there's no point in endlessly giving "atheists" classical or evidentialist arguments since their fallen nature and faulty unbelieving presuppositions prevent them from accepting them. Plus it is dishonoring to God to let them autonomously weigh evidence for God as if He was on trial and they were the judges. Rather, we reduce the unbeliever's worldview to absurdity noting it can't account for valid human experience (and that Christianity does), and show the God they know deep down is needed to rescue them from such absurdity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sehid3cK4_c

enjoy! 

Err, what's this got to do with this topic? I think you may of inadvertently posted in the wrong thread.

That's exactly the point. True Christians love God so much that they want to follow His commands to save as many arheists as possible. In additions, the Christians are trying to do it without offending either God or the atheists.

Only Jesus knows the right way to do it. But Christians are forgive when they make mistakes trying. They are even rewarded for trying, and much more if they succeed. They will be rewarded by God in the hereafter even more.

Christians are a love group.

Yeah I actually wrote the following to an atheist earlier today:

Finding proof of God is much easier than finding proof in the correct god.

If you're honestly curious you need to look into the Intelligent Designer arguments and the problem of irreducible complexity. There is no way our bodies would be built the way they are from evolution because they work too perfectly and some parts could not have grown up that way through evolution. In the video below, the Genes of Genesis, Walter starts talking about the problem of irreducible complexity at 46:10.

Walter Veith was professor/zoologist (and an atheist at the time) of the zoology department at the University of Cape Town and taught in the medical bio-science department. During this time the department was awarded a Royal Society London grant for zoological research.

He also takes on the Big Bang theory in the video series Evolution or Creation? The Earth in Time and Space.

He comes at it from the scientific standpoint, because it's what he knows. Of course, since becoming a Christian, he will mention some bible quotes from time to time, but his discussions are based on scientific study.

105 - The Genes of Genesis / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith

https://youtu.be/KJ3IgGYf29k?t=23m50s

This is a pretty long video series, but if you are honestly wanting to find out more, then you might want to check this series out:

Dr. Walter Veith - Evolution or Creation? The Earth in Time and Space (Part 1/8)  - https://youtu.be/S9hQKD0vceQ?t=8m50s

Here's a quote from another page, "British philosopher, Dr. Antony Flew, was a leading spokesperson for atheism, actively involved in debate after debate. However, scientific discoveries within the last 30 years brought him to a conclusion he could not avoid. In a video interview in December 2004 he stated, "Super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature."1 Prominent in his conclusion were the discoveries of DNA. Here's why. DNA in our cells is very similar to an intricate computer program. In the photo on the left, you see that a computer program is made up of a series of ones and zeros (called binary code). The sequencing and ordering of these ones and zeros is what makes the computer program work properly.

In the same way, DNA is made up of four chemicals, abbreviated as letters A, T, G, and C. Much like the ones and zeros, these letters are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. The order in which they are arranged instructs the cell's actions.

What is amazing is that within the tiny space in every cell in your body, this code is three billion letters long!!...Perry Marshall, an information specialist, comments on the implications of this. 'There has never existed a computer program that wasn't designed...[whether it is] a code, or a program, or a message given through a language, there is always an intelligent mind behind it.'"

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/Godreal.html

Another page discussing Irreducible Complexity - http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/840

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Also, a proof based on conscience, etc: Proof of God is Inside You | Does God Exist? https://youtu.be/m8_G2877gIU

[BADecker]

Documentary Atheists Don't Exist

This is a great Documentary by Keith Thompson (check links below). In this film it's recognized there's no point in endlessly giving "atheists" classical or evidentialist arguments since their fallen nature and faulty unbelieving presuppositions prevent them from accepting them. Plus it is dishonoring to God to let them autonomously weigh evidence for God as if He was on trial and they were the judges. Rather, we reduce the unbeliever's worldview to absurdity noting it can't account for valid human experience (and that Christianity does), and show the God they know deep down is needed to rescue them from such absurdity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sehid3cK4_c

enjoy!  

Err, what's this got to do with this topic? I think you may of inadvertently posted in the wrong thread.

That's exactly the point. True Christians love God so much that they want to follow His commands to save as many arheists as possible. In additions, the Christians are trying to do it without offending either God or the atheists.

Only Jesus knows the right way to do it. But Christians are forgive when they make mistakes trying. They are even rewarded for trying, and much more if they succeed. They will be rewarded by God in the hereafter even more.

Christians are a love group.

Yeah I actually wrote the following to an atheist earlier today:

Finding proof of God is much easier than finding proof in the correct god.

If you're honestly curious you need to look into the Intelligent Designer arguments and the problem of irreducible complexity. There is no way our bodies would be built the way they are from evolution because they work too perfectly and some parts could not have grown up that way through evolution. In the video below, the Genes of Genesis, Walter starts talking about the problem of irreducible complexity at 46:10.

Walter Veith was professor/zoologist (and an atheist at the time) of the zoology department at the University of Cape Town and taught in the medical bio-science department. During this time the department was awarded a Royal Society London grant for zoological research.

He also takes on the Big Bang theory in the video series Evolution or Creation? The Earth in Time and Space.

He comes at it from the scientific standpoint, because it's what he knows. Of course, since becoming a Christian, he will mention some bible quotes from time to time, but his discussions are based on scientific study.

105 - The Genes of Genesis / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith

https://youtu.be/KJ3IgGYf29k?t=23m50s

This is a pretty long video series, but if you are honestly wanting to find out more, then you might want to check this series out:

Dr. Walter Veith - Evolution or Creation? The Earth in Time and Space (Part 1/8)  - https://youtu.be/S9hQKD0vceQ?t=8m50s

Here's a quote from another page, "British philosopher, Dr. Antony Flew, was a leading spokesperson for atheism, actively involved in debate after debate. However, scientific discoveries within the last 30 years brought him to a conclusion he could not avoid. In a video interview in December 2004 he stated, "Super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature."1 Prominent in his conclusion were the discoveries of DNA. Here's why. DNA in our cells is very similar to an intricate computer program. In the photo on the left, you see that a computer program is made up of a series of ones and zeros (called binary code). The sequencing and ordering of these ones and zeros is what makes the computer program work properly.

In the same way, DNA is made up of four chemicals, abbreviated as letters A, T, G, and C. Much like the ones and zeros, these letters are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. The order in which they are arranged instructs the cell's actions.

What is amazing is that within the tiny space in every cell in your body, this code is three billion letters long!!...Perry Marshall, an information specialist, comments on the implications of this. 'There has never existed a computer program that wasn't designed...[whether it is] a code, or a program, or a message given through a language, there is always an intelligent mind behind it.'"

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/Godreal.html

Another page discussing Irreducible Complexity - http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/840

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

Also, a proof based on conscience, etc: Proof of God is Inside You | Does God Exist? https://youtu.be/m8_G2877gIU

Yes^^!

I have shown many times how science has proven that God exists. What I haven't tried to show much is the love of God, and which god shows the most love, and how.

When you look at the greatness God has given mankind, and the great supply of food and water and air and everything else that people need for life, you can see that God loves mankind. The thing we need to do is compare all the writings about gods, and see which God is the most loving of all.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Yes^^!

I have shown many times how science has proven that God exists. What I haven't tried to show much is the love of God, and which god shows the most love, and how.

When you look at the greatness God has given mankind, and the great supply of food and water and air and everything else that people need for life, you can see that God loves mankind. The thing we need to do is compare all the writings about gods, and see which God is the most loving of all.

Yes, I have posted recently about that too. If you believe in a god or gods, then look at the pagan gods, they ask for sacrifices and have been known to treat people like slaves. Jesus came to free us.

When you look at the beauty in the world, you have to believe something created that beauty. When you feel love between you and your family, you have to believe something created that love.

When you look at the evil in this world, it is the bible (and the book of Enoch, Jubilees, etc) that show why there is evil in the world. What we've done to ourselves, through sin, has created the evil. It was never meant to be.

All other religions supposedly created the good and also the evil, and they want slaves. I think it's quite logical when you compare a good/evil god with a completely good God, that the good God makes more sense. Because no creator would create evil for everyone. Only our Father gives us the reason as to why there is evil and plans to take it away.

[xht]

Well, Christians are not about hate. It is as silly to say that Christians hate homosexuals as it is to say a Doctor who cuts off a leg because of gangrene hates that leg.