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November 24, 2015, 12:44:07 AM
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TERRIFYING: Over 2,000 Suspected Terrorists Have Legally Purchased Guns


BY PAUL SACCA • 11.23.15


As if the FBI report that there are 900 homegrown ISIS terrorist cases being investigated right now wasn’t scary enough, another alarming trend has been revealed. The homegrown terrorists are getting their hands on guns – legally. Known and suspected terrorists are purchasing firearms under federal law.

From the Washington Post:

Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

According to the GAO, that figure is actually very optimistic and a floor number because the 2011 and 2012 numbers include only partial data because of a programming error that the FBI subsequently fixed.

“Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. While there are laws in place that prohibit felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States, individuals on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watch list can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles. And they are taking full advantage of this freedom.

Lawmakers have attempted to close this dangerous loophole and bill have been introduced in Congress dating back to 2007, but nothing has actually been done. Most recently, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) introduced the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015,” which would prevent several hundred gun purchases by suspected terrorists each year. It even provided a challenge system if a person believed that they were wrongly placed on the terrorist watch list.

However, these bills have been shot down time and time again due to opposition from the National Rifle Association and their allies in Congress. The NRA vehemently opposed earlier versions of the bill, and on their website detail the many reasons why they object. The rationale behind the opposition included that the bills are “aimed primarily at law-abiding American gun owners,” that “prohibiting the possession of firearms doesn’t stop criminals from illegally acquiring them” and that the bills were “sponsored by gun control extremists.”

Another opponent of the bills have been civil libertarians who say that the watch list is far from a perfect tool in assessing someone’s terror threat. They have said that the list has far too many people on it; the watch list has inflated to 700,000 in recent years. Many of those on the watch list may be on there simply because they are family members, acquaintances or people only marginally acquainted with individuals who actually belong to terror groups.

http://www.brobible.com/life/article/terrorist-suspects-legally-purchased-guns/

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November 24, 2015, 01:06:13 AM
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TERRIFYING: Over 2,000 Suspected Terrorists Have Legally Purchased Guns


BY PAUL SACCA • 11.23.15


As if the FBI report that there are 900 homegrown ISIS terrorist cases being investigated right now wasn’t scary enough, another alarming trend has been revealed. The homegrown terrorists are getting their hands on guns – legally. Known and suspected terrorists are purchasing firearms under federal law.

From the Washington Post:

Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

According to the GAO, that figure is actually very optimistic and a floor number because the 2011 and 2012 numbers include only partial data because of a programming error that the FBI subsequently fixed.

“Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. While there are laws in place that prohibit felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States, individuals on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watch list can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles. And they are taking full advantage of this freedom.

Lawmakers have attempted to close this dangerous loophole and bill have been introduced in Congress dating back to 2007, but nothing has actually been done. Most recently, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) introduced the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015,” which would prevent several hundred gun purchases by suspected terrorists each year. It even provided a challenge system if a person believed that they were wrongly placed on the terrorist watch list.

However, these bills have been shot down time and time again due to opposition from the National Rifle Association and their allies in Congress. The NRA vehemently opposed earlier versions of the bill, and on their website detail the many reasons why they object. The rationale behind the opposition included that the bills are “aimed primarily at law-abiding American gun owners,” that “prohibiting the possession of firearms doesn’t stop criminals from illegally acquiring them” and that the bills were “sponsored by gun control extremists.”

Another opponent of the bills have been civil libertarians who say that the watch list is far from a perfect tool in assessing someone’s terror threat. They have said that the list has far too many people on it; the watch list has inflated to 700,000 in recent years. Many of those on the watch list may be on there simply because they are family members, acquaintances or people only marginally acquainted with individuals who actually belong to terror groups.

http://www.brobible.com/life/article/terrorist-suspects-legally-purchased-guns/

After the FBI's glorious Fast and Furious program, in which they purposefully placed assault rifles in criminals hands, I'm not sure you can believe whatever they say.

Consider the following.

During Operation Fast and Furious, the largest "gunwalking" probe, the ATF monitored the sale of about 2,000 firearms, of which only 710 were recovered as of February 2012. A number of straw purchasers have been arrested and indicted; however, as of October 2011, none of the targeted high-level cartel figures had been arrested.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

So let me get this straight.  You are complaining because "people on the suspected terrorist list, who may be on there simply because they are family members, acquaintances or people only marginally acquainted with individuals who actually belong to terror groups, have bought some 2000 weapons, while the ATF and their FBI buddies purposefully caused over 2000 assault rifles to to to our own local border drug cartel terrorists.

But thanks for the anti-gun rhetoric and the agenda driven and slanted facts.

Always good for a laugh.


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November 24, 2015, 01:09:39 AM
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the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015,” Well, better late than never I guess. Maybe they´ll get it passed into law in the next decades.

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November 24, 2015, 01:44:15 AM
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Are you on a terrorist watch list? You might be... How would you know?

Yes, it's a serious question to which I don't believe you'll have an answer which you can substantiate...

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November 24, 2015, 01:56:13 AM
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Are you on a terrorist watch list? You might be... How would you know?

Yes, it's a serious question to which I don't believe you'll have an answer which you can substantiate...

Well, this is the Soviet Un...sorry the United States, you can´t really expect the KGB to disclose to you that you´re on some watch list and what for. Maybe they just don´t like you.

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November 24, 2015, 02:11:57 PM
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"Get Out Of Your Trucks And Run Away": US Gives ISIS 45 Minute Warning On Oil Tanker Strikes

Last week, in the wake of Russian and US airstrikes on ISIS oil convoys, we asked three important questions:

Who are the commodity trading firms that have been so generously buying millions of smuggled oil barrels procured by the Islamic State at massive discounts to market, and then reselling them to other interested parties? In other words, who are the middlemen?
Can it possibly be true, as officials now claim, that the Obama administration refrained from bombing Islamic State oil trucks because Washington thought the group was “only” making $100 million per year instead of $400 million?
Is it likely, considering how cavalier the US is about collateral damage from drone strikes, that The Pentagon refused to take out Islamic State’s revenue stream because the military was afraid of killing a few “innocent” truck drivers who by definition knew they were transporting illegal crude for a terrorist organization?
The first question is, for now anyway, unanswerable. As to the second and third, here’s what we said:

Perhaps the US overestimated the effect its airstrikes were having on Islamic State’s oil production capabilities and perhaps The Pentagon was concerned with killing innocent truck drivers, but it could also be that, as Sergei Lavrov suggested earlier this month, the US has until now intentionally avoided hitting ISIS where it hurts in order to keep them in the game and ensure they can still be effective at destabilizing Assad. If you cut off the oil trade, they lose the ability to battle the regime.
Whatever the case, it's too late now, because just as Russian airstrikes and the Iranian ground presence forced the US to do something - anything - to prove to the world that America is serious about fighting terrorism, Moscow's targeting of ISIS oil convoys has forced the US to get on board (the Russians are going to hit them anyway, so there's no point in vacillating).

American airstrikes reportedly destroyed 116 oil tanker trucks earlier this month and another 280 today in Paris mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud's former fiefdom of Deir ez-Zor.

Of course the US would hate to catch ISIS off guard risk killing innocent truck drivers, so prior to the November 16 strike, US planes dropped leaflets warning the drivers to "get out of your trucks now, and run away from them." Here's the leaflet (note the stick figures running for their lives):



Here's some commentary from Colonel Steve Warren from Operation Inherent Resolve (delivered at a press conference earlier this month):

Early Sunday morning in Al-Bukamal, which is the southern blue circle number two, you see two blue circles there. They both represent Tidal Wave II operations, but we're in the southern one -- the one further towards the bottom of your screen, there.
 
In Al-Bukamal, we destroyed 116 tanker trucks, which we believe will reduce ISIL's ability to transport its stolen oil products.
 
This is our first strike against tanker trucks, and to minimize risks to civilians, we conducted a leaflet drop prior to the strike. We did a show of force, by -- we had aircraft essentially buzz the trucks at low altitude.
 
So, I do have copy of the leaflet, and I have got some videos, so why don't you pull the leaflet up. Let me take a look at it so I can talk about it.
 
As you can see, it's a fairly simple leaflet, it says, "Get out of your trucks now, and run away from them." A very simple message.
 
And then, also, "Warning: airstrikes are coming. Oil trucks will be destroyed. Get away from your oil trucks immediately. Do not risk your life."
 
And so, these are the leaflets that we dropped -- about 45 minutes before the airstrikes actually began.
And here's an amusing bit from the post-presser Q&A:

Q: On Bob's question, too, if -- if it's so important to cut off the oil shipments, the critical revenue source for ISIS, why did it take so long to take out 116 oil tanker trucks?
 
COL. WARREN: No, that's a great question, Jim. Thanks for asking it.
 
So, a little history on Operation Tidal Wave II. Initially, we, you know, we have been striking oil infrastructure targets since the very beginning of this operation.
 
What we found out was that many of our strikes were only minimally effective. We would strike pieces of the oil infrastructure that were easily repaired.
 
When we came to that realization, we conducted some more study -- I think I talked about this last week, a little bit -- we conducted some more study, and determined how to better strike the oil infrastructure itself, different pieces of the system.
 
During the course of that study, we also determined that part of the illicit oil system, from the oil coming out of the ground at a -- at a pump head, to the end of that chain, which is the distribution network.
 
So, this is a decision that we had to make. We have not struck these trucks before. We assessed that these trucks, while although they are being used for operations that support ISIL, the truck drivers, themselves, probably not members of ISIL; they're probably just civilians. So we had to figure out a way around that. We're not in this business to kill civilians, we're in this business to stop ISIL -- to defeat ISIL.
So basically, it took the US 13 months to figure out that the best way to cripple Islamic State's oil trade was to bomb - the oil.

To the extent that occurred to anyone previously, the idea was dismissed because the truck drivers are "probably not members of ISIL." Well then who are they? Sure, they may not be suiting up in all black and firing RPGs at Toyota Corollas packed with "spies" for a propaganda video, but it's not like they don't know who they're working for.

Also, as mentioned above, the US hasn't exactly been shy about engaging targets even when there are women, children, and bedridden hospital patients in the vicinity so it's hard to imagine that anyone at the Pentagon was worried about Islamic State's truck drivers.

Whatever the case, the US is apprently set to give ISIS a 45 minute heads up when The Pentagon plans to bomb an oil convoy which we suppose makes sense.

It's the least the CIA can do for an old friend.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-23/get-out-your-trucks-and-run-away-us-gives-isis-45-minute-warning-oil-tanker-strikes

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“Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. While there are laws in place that prohibit felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States, individuals on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watch list can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles. And they are taking full advantage of this freedom.

...

If they made it illegal for members of terrorist groups to own and keep guns, government people wouldn't be able to have any.

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November 24, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
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TERRIFYING: Over 2,000 Suspected Terrorists Have Legally Purchased Guns


BY PAUL SACCA • 11.23.15


As if the FBI report that there are 900 homegrown ISIS terrorist cases being investigated right now wasn’t scary enough, another alarming trend has been revealed. The homegrown terrorists are getting their hands on guns – legally. Known and suspected terrorists are purchasing firearms under federal law.

From the Washington Post:

Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

According to the GAO, that figure is actually very optimistic and a floor number because the 2011 and 2012 numbers include only partial data because of a programming error that the FBI subsequently fixed.

“Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. While there are laws in place that prohibit felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States, individuals on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watch list can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles. And they are taking full advantage of this freedom.

Lawmakers have attempted to close this dangerous loophole and bill have been introduced in Congress dating back to 2007, but nothing has actually been done. Most recently, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) introduced the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015,” which would prevent several hundred gun purchases by suspected terrorists each year. It even provided a challenge system if a person believed that they were wrongly placed on the terrorist watch list.

However, these bills have been shot down time and time again due to opposition from the National Rifle Association and their allies in Congress. The NRA vehemently opposed earlier versions of the bill, and on their website detail the many reasons why they object. The rationale behind the opposition included that the bills are “aimed primarily at law-abiding American gun owners,” that “prohibiting the possession of firearms doesn’t stop criminals from illegally acquiring them” and that the bills were “sponsored by gun control extremists.”

Another opponent of the bills have been civil libertarians who say that the watch list is far from a perfect tool in assessing someone’s terror threat. They have said that the list has far too many people on it; the watch list has inflated to 700,000 in recent years. Many of those on the watch list may be on there simply because they are family members, acquaintances or people only marginally acquainted with individuals who actually belong to terror groups.

http://www.brobible.com/life/article/terrorist-suspects-legally-purchased-guns/
Why is our government allowing terrorists to run around? If the government knows they are terrorists, they should arrest them. If they know they bought guns why didn't they arrest them? Put terrorists in jail. That is 2,000 that need to be at GITMO
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Why is our government allowing terrorists to run around? If the government knows they are terrorists, they should arrest them. If they know they bought guns why didn't they arrest them? Put terrorists in jail. That is 2,000 that need to be at GITMO


Gitmo is way to small to hold the millions of people/terrorists that run government.

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TERRIFYING: Over 2,000 Suspected Terrorists Have Legally Purchased Guns


BY PAUL SACCA • 11.23.15


As if the FBI report that there are 900 homegrown ISIS terrorist cases being investigated right now wasn’t scary enough, another alarming trend has been revealed. The homegrown terrorists are getting their hands on guns – legally. Known and suspected terrorists are purchasing firearms under federal law.

From the Washington Post:

Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

According to the GAO, that figure is actually very optimistic and a floor number because the 2011 and 2012 numbers include only partial data because of a programming error that the FBI subsequently fixed.

“Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. While there are laws in place that prohibit felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States, individuals on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watch list can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles. And they are taking full advantage of this freedom.

Lawmakers have attempted to close this dangerous loophole and bill have been introduced in Congress dating back to 2007, but nothing has actually been done. Most recently, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) introduced the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015,” which would prevent several hundred gun purchases by suspected terrorists each year. It even provided a challenge system if a person believed that they were wrongly placed on the terrorist watch list.

However, these bills have been shot down time and time again due to opposition from the National Rifle Association and their allies in Congress. The NRA vehemently opposed earlier versions of the bill, and on their website detail the many reasons why they object. The rationale behind the opposition included that the bills are “aimed primarily at law-abiding American gun owners,” that “prohibiting the possession of firearms doesn’t stop criminals from illegally acquiring them” and that the bills were “sponsored by gun control extremists.”

Another opponent of the bills have been civil libertarians who say that the watch list is far from a perfect tool in assessing someone’s terror threat. They have said that the list has far too many people on it; the watch list has inflated to 700,000 in recent years. Many of those on the watch list may be on there simply because they are family members, acquaintances or people only marginally acquainted with individuals who actually belong to terror groups.

http://www.brobible.com/life/article/terrorist-suspects-legally-purchased-guns/
Why is our government allowing terrorists to run around? If the government knows they are terrorists, they should arrest them. If they know they bought guns why didn't they arrest them? Put terrorists in jail. That is 2,000 that need to be at GITMO


Just a thought experiment.

There are ZERO statutory requirements on who gets on or does not get on the "FBI’s consolidated terrorist watch list."

So IF a bill gets pass that denies anyone on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watch list from purchasing (or owning) firearms, then I can think of one sure fire way that all terrorists would be included in the list.  Sure, there'd be a number of people on there who were no terrorists, but hey, nothings perfect.

Here's the Plan.  We just put every man, woman, and child in the USA on the FBI Consolidated Terrorist Watch List.  

Mission completed.  America Disarmed.

(already 1M on this list, and those are names, not identities...)
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Just a thought experiment.

There are ZERO statutory requirements on who gets on or does not get on the "FBI’s consolidated terrorist watch list."

So IF a bill gets pass that denies anyone on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watch list from purchasing (or owning) firearms, then I can think of one sure fire way that all terrorists would be included in the list.  Sure, there'd be a number of people on there who were no terrorists, but hey, nothings perfect.

Here's the Plan.  We just put every man, woman, and child in the USA on the FBI Consolidated Terrorist Watch List.  

Mission completed.  America Disarmed.

More like:

Mission completed - American Revolutionary War

They can't use this to advance their agenda. Actually, to the contrary. We should all be so lucky that they would try something like this, it's just about the only thing short of an invasion by a foreign army which would mobilize the American public towards the true enemies of America...

The sleeping giant is still breathing, they might only have the opportunity to kill it while it sleeps, and even that isn't an easy task (if possible at all). They tried to disarm America, it didn't work out. They roused the public, and the public swatted them away like a pest while barely batting an eye. They know how just how close they came after Sandy Hook to that "shot heard around the world". You could literally see the defeat in the faces of their politicians as they were reluctantly forced to vote against those bills which they had championed. I've never felt such a tremendous tension in my community relative to that time frame. It was very serious to a lot of people, transcending generation gaps, and ethnicity...

Since then, there's been a period of true "market discovery" where TPTB are reassessing the "value" of this "prosperous" modern lifestyle as they consider nuclear annihilation as one of their last resorts. If they continue to escalate this World War 3 scenario, it eventually ends the purpose of this life, their own existence, and all of their enjoyments. Feral humanity won't lose the use of technology, or ingenuity, and they'll be so disadvantaged when that "population of 500 million or less" they so desire becomes far more decentralized, uncontrollable, and inhospitable...

They've done all they can to disarm us, they failed. They've done all they can to divide us, they failed. Now they're trying to censor and control us, and again they'll fail. This attempt to accelerate the rate of decay on American Liberty has become ineffective, it seems they've found the resistance levels of the American public, and to break them would be like begging for death...

When nothing else is left on the table but choosing which war to enter, they'll always choose a World War 3 scenario over an American Civil(Revolutionary) War. Despite the inherent risk of nuclear destruction in an international clash between Super Powers, if they choose the path of Civil(Revolutionary) War, the individual annihilation of TPTB is guaranteed beyond a reasonable doubt, their wealth redistributed, and their dynasties disintegrated...

TPTB can negotiate with other foreign powers with leverage as a bargaining tool, but not against a declaration of the American public backed by blood. They'll avoid that at any cost...

I don't know what they'll do, but there's clearly a "man behind the curtain" so to speak, and while their influence is only limited to what we're willing to allow, unfortunately we're still stuck with the consequences of whichever path is laid before us...

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November 25, 2015, 03:31:17 AM
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You can´t make this shit up... Grin

“We stand alongside Turkey in its efforts in protecting its national security and fighting against terrorism. France and Turkey are on the same side within the framework of the international coalition against the terrorist group ISIS.” --Statement by French Foreign Ministry, July 2015


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November 25, 2015, 05:00:02 AM
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This is getting too ridiculous...

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Fighting broke out in parliament among members of Ukraine's ruling coalition on Friday after a member of President Petro Poroshenko's bloc physically picked up Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk and pulled him from the podium.

Yatseniuk was defending his embattled government's record when lawmaker Oleh Barna walked over to him with a bunch of red roses and then grabbed him around the waist and groin, lifting him off his feet and dragging him from the rostrum.

Members of Yatseniuk's People Front party waded in, pushing Barna and throwing punches, sparking a brawl in the assembly.

You just can't make this up...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-11/caught-tape-ukraine-premier-assaulted-parliament

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December 11, 2015, 04:24:22 PM
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Her´s how it is in the "parliament" of another basket case and great darling of NATO nutballs. Clearly like seeks like

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Kosovo Parliament disrupted with tear gas, again

Associated Press By SYLEJMAN KLLOKOQI

November 30, 2015 12:50 PM

PRISTINA, Kosovo (AP) — The opposition in Kosovo said Monday it would turn to street protests to get the government to cancel deals with Serbia and Montenegro after its lawmakers were barred from Parliament after they again broke up a session with tear gas.

Government lawmakers met alone in the afternoon after their earlier session was disrupted by the opposition, which has pledged that no sessions will take place until the government renounces a deal with Serbia giving more powers to ethnic-Serb communities in Kosovo and another with Montenegro on border demarcation.

The opposition responded by calling on the public to join it in street protests.

"In a country with no opposition in the parliament, there is no parliament and it cannot be called a democracy," said main opposition Self-Determination Movement lawmaker Aida Derguti....

https://news.yahoo.com/kosovo-parliament-disrupted-tear-gas-again-103713000.html

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December 12, 2015, 04:17:32 AM
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Nuke this made up shit

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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December 17, 2015, 04:27:41 AM
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Gangster government brawl.

'Thief!' 'Bastard!' Highest level brawl at Ukraine govt session

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Mikhail Saakashvili, the ex-Georgian president who is now governor of Odessa, got a glass of water thrown in his face by Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov as an angry slanging match over who is more corrupt spilled over into violence.

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Mikhail Saakashvili, the ex-Georgian president who is now governor of Odessa, got a glass of water thrown in his face by Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov as an angry slanging match over who is more corrupt spilled over into violence.

All the criminals in the world seems to be flocking to Ukraine these days (Hunter Biden, Mikhail Saakashvili.etc). Isn't Saakashvili the same guy who was dismissed from his position in Georgia, after he was accused of suffering from acute schizophrenia? Poor Ukrainian people. They are going to suffer a lot in the near future. Ukraine will collapse completely as soon as the American oligarchs complete their plunder of the natural resources.
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December 20, 2015, 12:34:32 PM
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We're fucked. Im moving to the antarctic.
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We're fucked. Im moving to the antarctic.

No you're not, if you try to go there on your own you'll be met with military force.
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