Putin: Turkey, who is aiding terrorists, has stabbed us in the back

[galdur]

I guess you are living in 1920's. Political situation is very different now. Not only Russia, even China, India, Japan and other 200 countries put pressure on government they won't let that happen. You can pass Turkish borders easily, but you can't break borders. Those are 2 different things.

It´s your opinion that you can´t break borders, OK that´s nice, and in my opinion you´re unable to predict the fucking future, at least in a major issue like this one. Now we both have opinions but mine can easily be made into an irrefutable argument unless you have some supernatural powers or a time machine or something like that.

[galdur]

Anyway, what makes all this especially uncertain is that there´s a WAR going on there on Turkey´s border and one important thing about wars is that it´s usually difficult to predict how they develop or what the outcome will be. There are many wildcards. There are winners and losers and more often than not the losers end up giving up land. There´s lots of war left and at some point there´ll be bargaining for this and that and then we´ll maybe see what´s impossible and what´s not.

[Subal_Damudar]

Turkey? ha ! you mean the country that made good cannons ? That country lead by self praising machherjhol president !!! That country ban media and cultivate personality cult same as hitler. So off course they are backstabber!!

[bryant.coleman]

I guess you are living in 1920's. Political situation is very different now. Not only Russia, even China, India, Japan and other 200 countries put pressure on government they won't let that happen. You can pass Turkish borders easily, but you can't break borders. Those are 2 different things.

Russia will not just be contended with "putting pressure". They will arm the PKK and the YPG rebels with advanced weaponry and ammunition. Once Rojava (Syrian Kurdistan) become independent, then the rebels will use that territory to launch attacks against the Turkish state. It is a matter of time, before the Turkish state disintegrates.

[galdur]

Turkish media appears to be ill at ease over the creation of a Russian-Armenian system of a regional joint air defense, suggesting that the agreement could mean trouble for Ankara and lead to growing instability in the region.

On Wednesday, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and his Armenian counterpart Seyran Ohanyan signed an agreement on the creation of a joint regional air defense system for the Caucasus region.

The agreement was one of several CIS Defense Ministers' Council cooperation plans for 2016 inked in Moscow, with negotiations ongoing for regional air defense agreements with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. A joint air defense agreement was reached between Russia and Kazakhstan in 2013, Moscow recently handing a S-300 SAM platform over to Astana. Russian and Belarusian air defense systems have already been unified. ...



http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151225/1032308218/russia-armenia-air-defense-turkey.html

[troleybüs]

We are still waiting Putin to bury Erdoğan. If he has enough power he should do it right now. He's wasting time with fake threats. Show your serious move, sir!

[bryant.coleman]

Turkish media appears to be ill at ease over the creation of a Russian-Armenian system of a regional joint air defense, suggesting that the agreement could mean trouble for Ankara and lead to growing instability in the region.

The Azeris are linguistically and culturally very similar to the Turks. They speak a Turkic language and share the same religion. In case of a possible Azerbaijan vs Armenia war, Turkey is likely to side with the former. In such a scenario, Russia should help the Armenians, as Armenians are culturally similar to the Slavic people.

[Souldream]

Italy police seize nearly 800 Erdoguns heading from Turkey for Belgium

http://www.lastampa.it/2015/11/26/italia/cronache/carico-armi-da-guerra-sequestrato-a-trieste-IdEfgpOYiwhPKZquX8eNTO/pagina.html

Russian troll have spy everywhere as i see ... they read lastampa now LoL ....

Lucky that all eu country do not stop to post shit about Russia ... as RT never post them ... how much is ruble now ? 30 ... ? and petrol ?

1 or 2 years in same economic model ... and we will see how old demons in URSS will be back in street and administration with corruption ... as anyway only corruption works in Russia ...

They sell what now ? Gaz ... do not think so ... hoo yes weapons ... to make the peace ! and nuclear plant ... hope this is not the same as "Tchernobyl" ...

[Nemo1024]

We are still waiting Putin to bury Erdoğan. If he has enough power he should do it right now. He's wasting time with fake threats. Show your serious move, sir!

Revenge is a dish best served cold. And not everything is done with brute force, you know.

There was a demonstration of S-400's in Syria to the journalists yesterday...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_1zbfHpnl0

Fewer foreign flying objects venture into the airspace over Syria right now, and those that do turn back as soon as they enter the range.

[galdur]

Yes, the Russians will bide their time. There´s no hurry. This looks like one of those opponents where you do your best to get them to dig their own grave so to speak.

[galdur]

The leader of the 'moderate' group Jaish Al-Islam, Zahran Alloush, has been erased from Planet Earth courtesy of 8 pinpoint missiles.  Damascus has confirmed that they planned the attack 48 hours in advance, and were just waiting for the convoy to arrive at a farm before they sent them some Christmas gifts. fortruss.blogspot.com

[galdur]

Turkish Internet servers reeling under huge cyber-attack
Experts unable to identify source of hack, but newspaper reports suggest Russia may be behind it


December 25, 2015, 11:39 am

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkish Internet servers are suffering a powerful cyber-attack, slowing banking services and fanning fears that it could be a politically motivated attack from abroad.

Nic.tr, a non-governmental organization that administers addresses for websites using the “tr” domain, said Thursday that the attack appeared to be from “organized sources” outside Turkey.

The domain is used by websites belonging to Turkish ministries, commercial enterprises and banks.

Transport and Communications Minister Binali Yildirim called it a “serious” attack and asked an Ankara-based university to beef up security measures, saying they were “insufficient.”

Banking sources said the attack has seriously disrupted transactions.

Experts have been unable to identify the source of the attack.

Some newspapers said it could have originated in Russia, citing fraught bilateral relations since the downing by Turkey of a Russian fighter jet last month on the Syrian border.

According to local media, the Anonymous hacking group posted a message saying it would continue to attack Turkey for “supporting the Islamic State by buying their oil and tending to their injured fighters.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkish-internet-servers-reeling-under-huge-cyber-attack/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[bryant.coleman]

Turkish Internet servers reeling under huge cyber-attack
Experts unable to identify source of hack, but newspaper reports suggest Russia may be behind it

Seems like a joint Russian-Kurdish cyber-attack, with backing from Anonymous. As per the initial reports, some 400,000 Turkish sites were taken down. Most of them were restored later, but they had to ban traffic from outside Turkey. The war against Turkey has just started. And this will continue until Turkey stops the genocide of the Kurds and take action against the ISIS supporters in their country.

[Nemo1024]

Turkish media appears to be ill at ease over the creation of a Russian-Armenian system of a regional joint air defense, suggesting that the agreement could mean trouble for Ankara and lead to growing instability in the region.

The Azeris are linguistically and culturally very similar to the Turks. They speak a Turkic language and share the same religion. In case of a possible Azerbaijan vs Armenia war, Turkey is likely to side with the former. In such a scenario, Russia should help the Armenians, as Armenians are culturally similar to the Slavic people.

Interestingly, this is what Turkish infiltration and brainwashing is trying to convince Azerbaijanis of. Incidentally, it is where the break-up of USSR was initiated a few years before 1991.

Here is a telling fragment of an article, published in “Argumenty i Fakty” – about Herman Alekseevich Ugrjumov, Hero of Russia, who served in many hot spots during those wild years.

Admiral German Ugrjumov, going by the name of "Ocean" cared for everyone but himself
http://www.aif.ru/society/people/admiral_po_klichke_okean_german_ugryumov_zabotilsya_obo_vseh_krome_sebya

...
He started his military career in the Caspian Flotilla. Then he returned to Baku after the end of the High School of the KGB. There the two sons of Herman Alekseevich were born. And there he almost lost his family, when Russians and Armenians were being cut down and burnt alive in the streets of Azerbaijan. The first pogroms “glorified” the city of Sumgait, and then in Baku the following posters appeared: “Russian, do not leave! We need slaves and prostitutes”, “War on Armenia!”. Russian, who managed to get to the airport of Baku, could not fly to Moscow – civilian planes were loaded with boxes of carnations. No one cancelled the season of flower trade.

Back then Ugriumov saved hundreds of families by organising their evacuation on military planes and by sea. But a few years before the tragic events, he had sent reports to Moscow, saying that Azerbaijan was ripe with nationalist sentiment, that Turkish and Iranian intelligence is at work. But the center said, Azerbaijan will handle it by themselves.
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[troleybüs]

Turkish Internet servers reeling under huge cyber-attack
Experts unable to identify source of hack, but newspaper reports suggest Russia may be behind it

Seems like a joint Russian-Kurdish cyber-attack, with backing from Anonymous. As per the initial reports, some 400,000 Turkish sites were taken down. Most of them were restored later, but they had to ban traffic from outside Turkey. The war against Turkey has just started. And this will continue until Turkey stops the genocide of the Kurds and take action against the ISIS supporters in their country.

This only effect innocent people like us, it doesn't harm those bastards. Russia have to change their war style. We don't want this government but they don't do anything to them. If they are serious about war they have to fight with those bastard politicians, not with innocent people.

[isvicre]

I guess you are living in 1920's. Political situation is very different now. Not only Russia, even China, India, Japan and other 200 countries put pressure on government they won't let that happen. You can pass Turkish borders easily, but you can't break borders. Those are 2 different things.

Russia will not just be contended with "putting pressure". They will arm the PKK and the YPG rebels with advanced weaponry and ammunition. Once Rojava (Syrian Kurdistan) become independent, then the rebels will use that territory to launch attacks against the Turkish state. It is a matter of time, before the Turkish state disintegrates.

I'm patiently waiting for that. I hope you'll be right and we'll see new Kurdish state soon in Middle-East. USA needs new puppets. I'll be glad to watch new puppets-war.

[bryant.coleman]

I'm patiently waiting for that. I hope you'll be right and we'll see new Kurdish state soon in Middle-East. USA needs new puppets. I'll be glad to watch new puppets-war.

What makes you think that the rulers of Kurdistan will be mere puppets dancing to the tunes of the American officials? The Kurds are proud and independent minded people. They don't like being dictated by anyone. They might be receiving some sort of help from the Americans right now. But that doesn't mean that they will obey everything which the Americans ask them to do.

[isvicre]

What makes you think that the rulers of Kurdistan will be mere puppets dancing to the tunes of the American officials? The Kurds are proud and independent minded people. They don't like being dictated by anyone. They might be receiving some sort of help from the Americans right now. But that doesn't mean that they will obey everything which the Americans ask them to do.

No country can be free/independent in Middle East. At least not until the petrol sources dries.
There's a reason all wars happen in Middle East this era. If you combine ignorance, narrow-minded people and petrol you'll see Middle East chaos.

[bryant.coleman]

No country can be free/independent in Middle East. At least not until the petrol sources dries.
There's a reason all wars happen in Middle East this era. If you combine ignorance, narrow-minded people and petrol you'll see Middle East chaos.

The importance of the Middle Eastern petroleum reserves is waning. Right now, the United States and Russia have overtaken Saudi Arabia as the top crude oil producer in the world. The OPEC oil production is decreasing and at the same time that from the non-OPEC bloc is booming. Also, crude oil consumption is declining, as LNG and CNG is replacing gasoline for vehicle transport.

[Vivlore]

We are still waiting Putin to bury Erdoğan. If he has enough power he should do it right now. He's wasting time with fake threats. Show your serious move, sir!

War is the last resort. I wish all the conflicts can be solved diplomatically. I believe IS problem will be solved eventually.