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November 28, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
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https://news.mail.ru/politics/24106606/

Visa-free agreement between Russian Federation and Republic of Turkey will be suspended since January 1, 2016.

This is something which should have been done long back. Russian tourists are frequently maltreated in Turkey, despite accounting for the second largest group of tourists. The Turks never bother the British and German tourists, but they show their true colors when the Russian tourists visit Turkey. Time has come for the Russians to boycott Turkey.
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November 28, 2015, 06:36:24 PM
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Breaking: Russian Pilot Rescued by Iran’s General Soleimani
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/26/breaking-russian-pilot-rescued-by-irans-general-soleimani/

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TEHRAN (FNA) – Russian sources revealed on Thursday that the pilot of the Russian Su-24 jet that was shot down by Turkey over the Syrian airspace on Tuesday was rescued in an operation by Iran’s globally renowned IRGC Qods Force Commander Major General Soleimani.

On Tuesday, a Russian Su-24 bomber jet crashed in Syria. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the plane was downed by an air-to-air missile launched by a Turkish F-16 jet over Syrian territory, falling 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) from the Turkish border.

The crew of the plane ejected and one pilot was killed by fire from the ground, according to the Russian General Staff. The co-pilot Captain Konstantin Murahtin survived. But the story of how he survived in a land surrounded by various types of terrorist groups for tens of kilometers was unknown until today.

Emad Abshenas, a reporter for Russia’s state-run Sputnik news agency, wrote a piece in the Persian-language website of the Russian agency quoting the entire story from a senior Syrian officer.

“I contacted one of the Syrian officers who is my old friend and is stationed in Lattakia and asked him to tell me the story, and here is what he said,” Abshenas mentioned.

After the downing of the Russian fighter jet, the Russian helicopters took off immediately to save the pilot but they faced the heavy fire power of FSA (or the so-called moderate opposition, the Free Syrian Army, supported by the West) and the Turkey-back Turkmens who targeted the helicopter with missiles and advanced weapons that they have gained recently. During the operations one Russian aid worker was killed.

Credible information was obtained that a number of special Turkish units had been sent to the scene to take the Russian pilot captive to blackmail Russia later. While the Russians were planning for another operations to free the pilot immediately, General Soleimani contacted them and proposed them that a special task force unit be formed of Hezbollah’s special forces and Syrian commandos who have been trained by Iran and are fully familiar with the geographical situation of the region to be tasked with the ground operations and Russia provide them with air cover and satellite intelligence.

Soleimani promised them to return the Russian pilot safe and sound; a promise that was kept in the end, according to the Syrian officer.

After tracing the place of the Russian pilot using his GPS, it was revealed that the pilot was being kept in a place 6km behind the frontline of the clashes between the Syrian army and the opposition.

Six fighters of Hezbollah’s special operation unit and 18 Syrian commandos approached the frontline to carry out the operations and the Russian air force and helicopters concurrently created hellfire in the region and destroyed the terrorists’ headquarters in a way that most of the enemy forces deployed in the region fled the scene and the ground was paved for the special unit’s advance.

The Syrian officer added that every move of the special units was monitored and covered precisely by the Russian satellites in a way that the slightest moves made 100 meters away from the area of operation was reported to them and every moment of the operation was reported to a very high-raking official in the Kremlin (that he thinks was president Putin) and it was clear that he was monitoring the entire operations through satellites from Moscow.

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Abshenas then comes out of the report with a number of interesting points, saying:

   1.    General Soleimani is fully healthy and is actively commanding operations in the frontline of the war against terrorists and responds rumors about himself with action and not by words and slogans.
    2.    There is no extremist and moderate oppositions in Syria; all of them are terrorists appearing in the public in different clothes and under different masks.
    3.    The Group 4+1 cannot trust other countries in any field and they should rely on themselves to eliminate the terrorists in the region based on their own specified plans.
    4.    Iran and Russia’s operational coordination in Syria is highly integrated and can break all enemies’ fronts.
    5.    Most of the FSA’s Syrian members had withdrawn from the region after they came under Russia’s airstrikes and the commandos fought non-Syrian forces who were using classic military tactics and not guerilla warfare and therefore, they could well be Turkish militaries or army forces of other countries. The commandos, of course, had no other choice but to kill them given the importance of rapid action in the operations and they didn’t had enough time to hold them captive.

    6.    The terrorists present in the region possessed very modern and advanced military equipment for ground-to-ground and ground-to-air warfare which are not even supplied to a large number of countries which are Washington’s NATO allies.
    7.    According to informed sources who had traced the wireless contacts between the opposition forces, the Arabic, Turkish, Russian and French are respectively the most frequently used languages by the terrorists, revealing that the countries which are mostly posed to the danger of the return of these terrorists and shows that Russia is forced to continue fight until the complete annihilation of the terrorists in Syria to safeguard its own national security.


See also:

EXCLUSIVE: Footage of Syrian Army Rescuing Second Russian Pilot and Helicopter Crew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umsp9wIjolY

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November 28, 2015, 06:39:27 PM
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https://news.mail.ru/politics/24106606/

Visa-free agreement between Russian Federation and Republic of Turkey will be suspended since January 1, 2016.

This is something which should have been done long back. Russian tourists are frequently maltreated in Turkey, despite accounting for the second largest group of tourists. The Turks never bother the British and German tourists, but they show their true colors when the Russian tourists visit Turkey. Time has come for the Russians to boycott Turkey.

Why, would you know?  I have always thought Russian tourists were very polite and friendly.
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December 18, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
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Duplicating the post here as well:

The flight-recorder from the downed Russian bomber has been opened today in the presence of international journalists and experts. This is the first such public unsealing in the world practice.

Foreign experts note unprecedented openness of Su-24M flight recorder unsealing process
http://tass.ru/en/world/845400

Black box of downed Russian Su-24M jet damaged
http://tass.ru/en/defense/845208

British and Chinese experts will participate in decoding. The results are expected by the 21st of December.

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"In order to ensure maximal transparency and openness, we addressed foreign experts from 14 countries with an invitation to take part in the work [investigation] as observers. However, many specialists refused to participate in the investigation citing various reasons, excluding only Mr Liu Chang Wei from China and Mr Jonathan Gillespie from the United Kingdom," Dronov said.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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December 21, 2015, 06:00:33 PM
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https://www.rt.com/news/326661-lavrov-meeting-kurdish-leader/

Russian FM plans to meet co-leader of Turkey’s pro-Kurdish HDP party
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December 21, 2015, 06:16:08 PM
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https://www.rt.com/news/326661-lavrov-meeting-kurdish-leader/

Russian FM plans to meet co-leader of Turkey’s pro-Kurdish HDP party

The HDP represents the moderate side of the Turkish Kurds. Most of the right-wing Kurds are supporters of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which is banned in Turkey and most of the Western nations. I would like to see the Russians maintaining contacts with both the sides. The ultimate goal is to establish an independent Kurdistan, composing of Kurdish inhabited regions of Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.
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December 22, 2015, 08:23:38 AM
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Erdoğan vows Kurdish rebels 'will be buried in trenches they have dug'

Turkish president says operations against militants will continue as state-run news agency reports 115 Kurdish rebels killed

Turkish military operations in the south-east have killed 115 Kurdish rebels since 15 December, a state-run news agency has reported.

Most of the casualties were centred in the Şırnak Province towns of Cizre and Silopi, both under 24-hour curfew, with 98 rebels killed, the Anadolu Agency reported. Other casualties occurred in the provinces of Mardin and Diyarbakır.

Turkey’s government says militants linked to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ party (PKK) have placed explosive devices, dug trenches and set up barricades in these areas. Turkey has vowed to press ahead with the operations until the region is clear of rebels.

On Monday, Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said the operations would continue and vowed that the “terrorist organisation” along with its supporters “will be buried in the trenches they have dug”.

In Cizre, the flashpoint of operations, columns of smoke rose from residential areas as a military helicopters and armoured vehicle scoured the area. The sound of heavy gunfire and sporadic shelling echoed in the streets, according to residents.

In the eastern province of Bitlis, two soldiers were killed and another six were wounded in a roadside bombing, according to Anadolu. The agency said more than 200 soldiers have been killed since the collapse of a two-year ceasefire in July.

Fighting between Turkish security forces and the PKK, including its youth wing, has increasingly focused in urban centres, displacing thousands of residents from the south east.

The escalating violence has dashed hopes for the resumption of peace talks between the state and the PKK, which have fought a three-decade conflict that has killed more than 30,000. The latest violence reminds many here of the worst bloodshed of the 1990s.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/21/erdogan-vows-kurdish-rebels-will-be-buried
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December 22, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
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^^^ The article claims that 115 Kurdish "rebels" were killed. Most of those who died were women and children. How did these children became "rebels"? The Turks have been conducting a genocidal campaign against the ethnic Kurds for many months now. Hundreds, if not thousands of Kurdish civilians have been butchered by the Turks. And till date, no one has protested against it.
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December 22, 2015, 03:31:15 PM
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they are civilians massacred by the Islamic state of Turkey any body that a Kurd is a terrorist according to the terrorist state of Turkey.

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December 22, 2015, 06:19:12 PM
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It´s a tried and trusted model.

Those who aren´t with us are with the terrorists. In fact they are the terrorists. So, play ball or else.

We invade and those who oppose us are the terrorists. We mow down unarmed civilians, tough luck they´re terrorists, it´s not our fault that we were forced to invade.

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December 23, 2015, 02:22:09 AM
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they are civilians massacred by the Islamic state of Turkey any body that a Kurd is a terrorist according to the terrorist state of Turkey.

The ultimate irony is that the NATO is sitting back and doing nothing, when the Turks are mowing down the innocent Kurdish civilians. The NATO is using the Kurds in order to fight the Islamic State. But at the same time, they are harming the Kurds, by providing funds, arms and ammunition to the Turkish Armed Forces.
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December 23, 2015, 06:21:00 AM
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Syria’s Kurds Have Nearly Tripled Their Territory Fighting the Islamic State in 2015

By Avi Asher-Schapiro

December 22, 2015 | 8:59 pm

Amid the chaos in Syria, the country's Kurds have managed to resist the advances of the Islamic State and carve out a zone of unprecedented autonomy in their own lands.

Over the past year, the YPG Kurdish militia beat back the Islamic State (IS) and nearly tripled the size of Kurdish-controlled territory in Northern Syria, all the while helping shrink the size of the IS caliphate by around 14 percent.

That's according to a new report by the IHS Jane's, a private intelligence company that analyzes international security issues,  and has been tracking the ground war in Syria.

As a result, the Kurds are essentially in control of their own mini-state — which they call Rojava — that runs across the Turkish-Syrian border. Administered by the Democratic Union Party (PYD) the political arm of the YPG, the government in Rojava has reached an understanding with the Assad regime that allows the Kurds to govern their own territory, while beating back IS from the borders.

"The Kurds have had autonomy thrust upon them," explained Michael Gunter, a professor of political science at Tennessee Tech University, and the author of Out of Nowhere: The Kurds of Syria in Peace and War, a recent study of Kurdish politics in Syria. "There's no way they will go back to a subservient position of not controlling their own lands anytime in the future."

Syria's Kurds had long been denied self-determination by president Bashar al-Assad and his father Hafez, who both discouraged celebration of Kurdish identity — Hafez even banned their language from schools. But the Syrian Civil War forced Assad to focus his energies elsewhere. And as the Syrian military was re-deployed away from Kurdish territory beginning in 2012, the Kurds seized the initiative, mobilizing militias and asserting control over their own territory with the tacit approval of the Assad regime, which is much more focused on shoring up its major cities than butting heads with the Kurds.

Assad and the Kurds now jointly administer the city of Qamishli, and share control of the oil rich region of Hasakah. That uneasy alliance has been made possible by a mutual enemy: The Islamic State. Since the Islamic State captured Raqqa — the city it consider its capital — back in 2013, the Kurds have shared a long border with the group that stretches across most of northern Syria. Over the past year, the Kurds have fought — and won — two key battles against IS, shoring up their own territory, and cutting off much of IS access to the Turkish border.



Related: Protests Erupt in Turkey as Military Campaign Intensifies in Country's Southeast

Beginning in the fall of 2014, the Islamic State laid siege to Kobani, a Kurdish city on the western edge of Rojava. Kurdish fighters, backed by US airpower, lifted the siege and pushed IS back, effectively liberating the area by the end of January, 2015. In the following months, as IS focused its energies on major cities in Iraq and Syria, the Kurds were able to capture the villages and countryside outside the city, dealing a major territorial blow to IS.

The IHS Jane's report explains that IS lost so much ground to the Kurds because it did not have the military resources to fight on all its fronts.

"Geospatial analysis of our data shows that Islamic State activity outside areas it controls is heavily concentrated around Baghdad and Damascus, but much less so in Kurdish territory," explained Columb Strack, senior Middle East analyst at IHS, and lead analyst for the IHS Conflict Monitor. "This indicates that the Islamic State was overstretched."

WIth IS fighting a multi-front battle against a dizzying array of adversaries —al Qaeda, the Free Syrian Army, the Assad regime and its allies — the Kurds continued to seize the initiative.

In the Spring of 2015, the YPG launched an offensive to take out the IS-controlled border crossing of Tal Abyad, a strategic key city that lies between Kobani in the West and the bulk of Kurdish territory in the East. Fighting between IS and the Kurds — who were backed by US air support — displaced more than 16,000 people.

This past October, Tal Abyad was officially cleared of IS fighters, and integrated into Rojava. The Kurdish victory was made possible, Strack said, because IS had redeployed its forces to far-flung battles in western Syria and Iraq. "The remaining forces in Tal Abyad were so depleted that they had to be re-enforced with... religious police units from Raqqa," Strack explained.

Related: Caught Between the Islamic State and Erdogan: Turkey's Most Important Opposition Politician Talks to VICE News

For the Kurds in Syria, the fight against IS has been existential. "It's a struggle for their very lives," Gunter said.

But it's also been an opportunity to forge an entirely new political culture in the burgeoning lands under their control. Rajava is governed by a co-presidents Asya Abdullah and Salih Muslim Muhammad, who espouse a secular, leftist, and unabashedly feminist worldview drawn from the writings of the Kurdish nationalist thinker Abdullah Ocalan, who sits in a Turkish jail.

"They see themselves as a post-state, utopian project," Gunter explains.

But so far, building a new society sandwiched between IS, Assad, and Turkey is far from utopian. IS continues to launch deadly suicide raids into Kurdish territory, and Turkey has more than once bombed YPG positions across the Syrian border as punishment for Rojava's links to the Turkish Kurdish militant group the PKK.

With no end in sight in the Syrian Civil War, the Kurds are hunkering down. "They live amidst a series of broken states," Gunter said. "There's no way to know what the future will be."

Watch VICE News' documentary PKK Youth: Fighting for Kurdish Neighborhoods:

https://news.vice.com/article/syrias-kurds-have-nearly-tripled-their-territory-fighting-the-islamic-state-in-2015

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December 23, 2015, 08:49:19 AM
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by the Islamic state of Turkey




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December 23, 2015, 07:57:31 PM
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There´s really no denying it, but of course 14 straight years of confirmations aren´t enough for some people.

After years and years of miscalculations and lah lah land policies, Washington appears totally powerless to influence its allies and friends in the Middle East. It goes without saying actually, you´re allied with the roots of the "enemy" you´re supposed to be fighting. That has to be a drag, Where is U.S. policy anyway? Kerry was in Moscow and said well yeah I guess Assad can stay while we get rid of the Syrian civil war. But the next day Obama was repeating the same old mantra all the way from five years ago, he must go. Of course nobody with at least two functioning brain cells takes these people seriously. Well, apart from their vassals in Europe, like always seeks like. It´s clueless Weirdos United.

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December 23, 2015, 11:50:34 PM
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The ultimate goal is to establish an independent Kurdistan, composing of Kurdish inhabited regions of Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

That's never gonna happen inside the Turkish border because Turkish republicans are politically and historically too strong for that but I'm sure most people wouldn't mind a free Kürdistan inside Syria and Iraq borders.
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December 24, 2015, 02:43:29 AM
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The ultimate goal is to establish an independent Kurdistan, composing of Kurdish inhabited regions of Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

That's never gonna happen inside the Turkish border because Turkish republicans are politically and historically too strong for that but I'm sure most people wouldn't mind a free Kürdistan inside Syria and Iraq borders.

How can you be so sure? Don't underestimate Vladimir Putin. He can easily provoke a civil war in the Kurdish dominated regions of the South-east Turkey and provide the Kurdish rebels with anti-aircraft weapons and other advanced military equipment. The rebels will use the Kurdish regions of Iraq and Syria as launching pad for their attacks.
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December 24, 2015, 02:59:54 AM
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The ultimate goal is to establish an independent Kurdistan, composing of Kurdish inhabited regions of Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

That's never gonna happen inside the Turkish border because Turkish republicans are politically and historically too strong for that but I'm sure most people wouldn't mind a free Kürdistan inside Syria and Iraq borders.

How can you be so sure? Don't underestimate Vladimir Putin. He can easily provoke a civil war in the Kurdish dominated regions of the South-east Turkey and provide the Kurdish rebels with anti-aircraft weapons and other advanced military equipment. The rebels will use the Kurdish regions of Iraq and Syria as launching pad for their attacks.

I´m sure that something will be in the works and maybe already is. The Russians are always underestimated and happily use that to their advantage of course. To me they are more foxes than bears. Or maybe the bears have foxes in charge of strategy and command.

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December 24, 2015, 04:48:38 PM
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The ultimate goal is to establish an independent Kurdistan, composing of Kurdish inhabited regions of Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

That's never gonna happen inside the Turkish border because Turkish republicans are politically and historically too strong for that but I'm sure most people wouldn't mind a free Kürdistan inside Syria and Iraq borders.

How can you be so sure? Don't underestimate Vladimir Putin. He can easily provoke a civil war in the Kurdish dominated regions of the South-east Turkey and provide the Kurdish rebels with anti-aircraft weapons and other advanced military equipment. The rebels will use the Kurdish regions of Iraq and Syria as launching pad for their attacks.

I'm %10000 sure because I know Turkish people and history. Turks never let borders breaking by any power. There's ongoing civil war in the South East already but media don't show it to Westerners. Like it or not government is too powerful. PKK is fighting for over 30 years but it's the part of the system. Tax money goes to military payments and some people get their cut.
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December 24, 2015, 05:39:37 PM
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The ultimate goal is to establish an independent Kurdistan, composing of Kurdish inhabited regions of Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

That's never gonna happen inside the Turkish border because Turkish republicans are politically and historically too strong for that but I'm sure most people wouldn't mind a free Kürdistan inside Syria and Iraq borders.

How can you be so sure? Don't underestimate Vladimir Putin. He can easily provoke a civil war in the Kurdish dominated regions of the South-east Turkey and provide the Kurdish rebels with anti-aircraft weapons and other advanced military equipment. The rebels will use the Kurdish regions of Iraq and Syria as launching pad for their attacks.

I'm %10000 sure because I know Turkish people and history. Turks never let borders breaking by any power. There's ongoing civil war in the South East already but media don't show it to Westerners. Like it or not government is too powerful. PKK is fighting for over 30 years but it's the part of the system. Tax money goes to military payments and some people get their cut.

They haven´t had very pissed off Russians, biding their time, to contend with for decades so i wouldn´t rule out anything in those quarters.

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December 24, 2015, 11:45:09 PM
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I guess you are living in 1920's. Political situation is very different now. Not only Russia, even China, India, Japan and other 200 countries put pressure on government they won't let that happen. You can pass Turkish borders easily, but you can't break borders. Those are 2 different things.
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