Selling accounts on this forum is correct or not

[raaajlucky]

There is a topic here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263526.0;topicseen - basically some DT has given red repo for selling accounts on this forum.

But forum rules never say one shouldn't sell accounts.

But some DT (default trust) members things it is not correct but they do not have any good reason to stop account selling but they are thinking or believing people can scam with brought accounts.

But majority of the forum members thinks, just by giving red trust to account sellers will not solve the issue permanently. Scamming is a different topic

Now what you think whether account selling should be allowed in this forum or not?

Just say Yes or No.

[mixan]

I put my vote as yes.
Because as I put it on that thread: There is nothing wrong with the practice in itself. Once the account leaves their hands, it is out of their control what the account holder does with it.
Account farming is bad and should not be allowed. Creating accounts for the sole purpose of selling them should not be allowed.

[shoaibBTC]

its fine ...

[OmegaStarScream]

There is a topic here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263526.0;topicseen - basically some DT has given red repo for selling accounts on this forum.

But forum rules never say one shouldn't sell accounts.

But some DT (default trust) members things it is not correct but they do not have any good reason to stop account selling but they are thinking or believing people can scam with brought accounts.

But majority of the forum members thinks, just by giving red trust to account sellers will not solve the issue permanently. Scamming is a different topic

Now what you think whether account selling should be allowed in this forum or not?

Just say Yes or No.

I personally think they should be allowed to sell in the forums however ... giving negative trust sometimes may help because it really depends on the intention of the buyer ... the main purpose is probably signature accounts but we see that people ask for positive trust when they buy and then .. you know it's more then likely not for sig campaigns but it's for scamming people so it really depends ..


EDIT : I just voted but why I can't see the results or anything on the poll ?

[mark coins]

i voted yes coz if selling of accounts will stop, it is likely that we are stopping some users to earn pretty decent amount thru signature campaigns and it could only lead to massive scams in this forum coz some users wont be stopped from selling accounts

[sellcollateral]

well... I think it should be allowed.

When there is a hunt for account sellers and sold accounts... THIS happens (referring to my newbie account here).
I give out loans, and take altcoins and accounts as collateral.

Once every couple of loans, the borrower cannot repay me, so i'm stuck with his account... What else can i do but sell it?
I'd rather sell these accounts with my main alt, so people know i'm more or less trustworthy, but because people tag my sold accounts negatively, and will potentially tag my main account to, i'm forced to use this newbie alt in order to recuperate my money...

[ranochigo]

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EDIT : I just voted but why I can't see the results or anything on the poll ?

When creating the poll, OP selected: Only show the results after the poll has expired.

I voted yes. Reason being accounts are hardly if ever used for scamming or spamming. Accounts are rather expensive and with the community being quite cautious, escrow can be used or message are requested to be signed from an old address. It is very hard for any scammer to scam with an account bought. The change in posting times, style and sudden activity are clear indications. Spamming wise, accounts are usually marked with a high price and if any user spams, they would be banned from the forum, it's a waste of money. Farming accounts is rather bad but the community here requests high quality accounts for signature campaigns and most seller's don't spam up the forum due to this. Banning selling of accounts is too hard and would just push it underground. I personally sold several accounts and they were mostly used for signature campaign and none were used to scam. That's speaking from my personal experience though.

[JohnsonnBTC]

Yes its good to sell/buy for me too.

[mexxer-2]

I'm going with no considering that there has been some scams where sold accounts were used to scam, one example that comes to my mind is coinbooster. The sifter account was most likely a bought account.
And if anyone notices has a look at my recent posts they can tell that I usually do not interfere in selling of accounts but allowing account sales to happen is not the same as supporting/encouraging it.

[rally]

I say yes.
Why not?
Everything is for sale in the world.

[raaajlucky]

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EDIT : I just voted but why I can't see the results or anything on the poll ?

When creating the poll, OP selected: Only show the results after the poll has expired.

I voted yes. Reason being accounts are hardly if ever used for scamming or spamming. Accounts are rather expensive and with the community being quite cautious, escrow can be used or message are requested to be signed from an old address. It is very hard for any scammer to scam with an account bought. The change in posting times, style and sudden activity are clear indications. Spamming wise, accounts are usually marked with a high price and if any user scams, they would be banned from the forum, it's a waste of money. Farming accounts is rather bad but the community here requests high quality accounts for signature campaigns and most seller's don't spam up the forum due to this. Banning selling of accounts is too hard and would just push it underground. I personally sold several accounts and they were mostly used to spam constructively and none were used to scam. That's speaking from my personal experience though.

Yes, it is correct. Results will be shown only after the end of the poll otherwise people may change mind. So we will wait until poll finish to see the results.

[raaajlucky]

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EDIT : I just voted but why I can't see the results or anything on the poll ?

When creating the poll, OP selected: Only show the results after the poll has expired.

I voted yes. Reason being accounts are hardly if ever used for scamming or spamming. Accounts are rather expensive and with the community being quite cautious, escrow can be used or message are requested to be signed from an old address. It is very hard for any scammer to scam with an account bought. The change in posting times, style and sudden activity are clear indications. Spamming wise, accounts are usually marked with a high price and if any user scams, they would be banned from the forum, it's a waste of money. Farming accounts is rather bad but the community here requests high quality accounts for signature campaigns and most seller's don't spam up the forum due to this. Banning selling of accounts is too hard and would just push it underground. I personally sold several accounts and they were mostly used to spam constructively and none were used to scam. That's speaking from my personal experience though.

Yes, it is correct. Results will be shown only after the end of the poll otherwise people may change mind. So we will wait until poll finish to see the results.

I'm going with no considering that there has been some scams where sold accounts were used to scam, one example that comes to my mind is coinbooster. The sifter account was most likely a bought account.
And if anyone notices has a look at my recent posts they can tell that I usually do not interfere in selling of accounts but allowing account sales to happen is not the same as supporting/encouraging it.

If some one want to scam he/she will surely find a ways to do that but I don't think if any one sell accounts without green trusted accounts they can easily scam any one.

[Spoetnik]

Question:    Are you supporting selling accounts on this forum? YES OR NO

I voted NO on the question that was asked.
it did not say maybe..

More often than not an account is bought for undesirable reasons i'm assuming.
I can think of many negative uses for bought accounts and little good ones.

But it's going to get ugly if Staff banned it.
Having to get people to supervise and police the issue would be hard.

I can just imagine mod's having to sift through a person post history to see if Jimmy talks like Jimmy LOL

So i'd say it's frowned on but can't be stopped realistically.
The poll asked if i "support" it ? ..nope.

[Wei H]

I would vote for "No", but it actually cannot be banned, because we can't even judge if a account is sold or not, the ip's changing? No, maybe the account owner moved to another place or using vps; changed password?No, people always change password.

[Hexcoin]

Voted yes. selling accounts supports signature campaign and if there is no signature campaign there will be much less traffic here in forum

[Lauda]

Definitely a no from me. It is not against the rules but I would not support such actions. Most of these accounts are used for spamming and end up being banned anyways. However, it would be pretty much impossible to make this a forum rule.
Update: Yes, that is what I wanted to say. Nice explanation.

[subSTRATA]

Definitely a no from me. It is not against the rules but I would not support such actions. Most of these accounts are used for spamming and end up being banned anyways. However, it would be pretty much impossible to make this a forum rule.

rather, it'd be impossible to enforce. even if it were to be banned as a forum rule, sellers would take account trading offsite, and it would put both buyers and sellers at more risk to being scammed during a trade without the availability of escrow. this is though, assuming that forum escrow services wont be willing to escrow account trades should they be against the rules (which im fairly sure they wont if that were to be the case). having forum account sales occur offsite might also cause a lot of chaos with people trying to reclaim sold accounts with a signed message. i actually dont know how that scenario would play out; would the account be returned to the seller, effectively helping them scam, or would the account be banned outright for breaking the rule of no account trading? doesnt matter. the current state of not disallowing account trading is fine.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I've never done it but I suppose there's nothing wrong with people doing it.

If a Hero or Legendary Member is desperate for a bit of cash they can maie good, easy money selling their account.

I guess the only problem is what the new owner can do with the bought account if it has green trust.

[XinXan]

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EDIT : I just voted but why I can't see the results or anything on the poll ?

When creating the poll, OP selected: Only show the results after the poll has expired.

I voted yes. Reason being accounts are hardly if ever used for scamming or spamming. Accounts are rather expensive and with the community being quite cautious, escrow can be used or message are requested to be signed from an old address. It is very hard for any scammer to scam with an account bought. The change in posting times, style and sudden activity are clear indications. Spamming wise, accounts are usually marked with a high price and if any user scams, they would be banned from the forum, it's a waste of money. Farming accounts is rather bad but the community here requests high quality accounts for signature campaigns and most seller's don't spam up the forum due to this. Banning selling of accounts is too hard and would just push it underground. I personally sold several accounts and they were mostly used to spam constructively and none were used to scam. That's speaking from my personal experience though.

Yes, it is correct. Results will be shown only after the end of the poll otherwise people may change mind. So we will wait until poll finish to see the results.

I'm going with no considering that there has been some scams where sold accounts were used to scam, one example that comes to my mind is coinbooster. The sifter account was most likely a bought account.
And if anyone notices has a look at my recent posts they can tell that I usually do not interfere in selling of accounts but allowing account sales to happen is not the same as supporting/encouraging it.

If some one want to scam he/she will surely find a ways to do that but I don't think if any one sell accounts without green trusted accounts they can easily scam any one.

We shouldn't make it easy just because scammers and people who intend to do bad things are going to find ways of doing it that's why I voted NO to make it harder for scammers. Afterall you don't need to buy an account here, you can create an account like you are supposed to do and start posting like you are supposed to do.

[raaajlucky]

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EDIT : I just voted but why I can't see the results or anything on the poll ?

When creating the poll, OP selected: Only show the results after the poll has expired.

I voted yes. Reason being accounts are hardly if ever used for scamming or spamming. Accounts are rather expensive and with the community being quite cautious, escrow can be used or message are requested to be signed from an old address. It is very hard for any scammer to scam with an account bought. The change in posting times, style and sudden activity are clear indications. Spamming wise, accounts are usually marked with a high price and if any user scams, they would be banned from the forum, it's a waste of money. Farming accounts is rather bad but the community here requests high quality accounts for signature campaigns and most seller's don't spam up the forum due to this. Banning selling of accounts is too hard and would just push it underground. I personally sold several accounts and they were mostly used to spam constructively and none were used to scam. That's speaking from my personal experience though.

Yes, it is correct. Results will be shown only after the end of the poll otherwise people may change mind. So we will wait until poll finish to see the results.

I'm going with no considering that there has been some scams where sold accounts were used to scam, one example that comes to my mind is coinbooster. The sifter account was most likely a bought account.
And if anyone notices has a look at my recent posts they can tell that I usually do not interfere in selling of accounts but allowing account sales to happen is not the same as supporting/encouraging it.

If some one want to scam he/she will surely find a ways to do that but I don't think if any one sell accounts without green trusted accounts they can easily scam any one.

We shouldn't make it easy just because scammers and people who intend to do bad things are going to find ways of doing it that's why I voted NO to make it harder for scammers. Afterall you don't need to buy an account here, you can create an account like you are supposed to do and start posting like you are supposed to do.

Do you have any proof only scammers are buying accounts and good people are not buying accounts?

If you don't have then just vote whichever you want but don't make any judgement. We want only proofs not your assumptions.