So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams

[Blazed]

Not much could have been done to prevent that scam really. People need to pay attention to what they are clicking on plain and simple.

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[Pattart]

@Pattart: Thanks for contributing. Could you give me a rough estimate re. percentage of scammed BTC returned to the victims, via the methods you've outlined?

I don't think that any Bitcoin has been returned to scam victims ever really since it is hard to force the scammer to return any bitcoin. However what I said above does make it easier to prevent people from falling for other scams run by the same person but under different accounts. People can give negative trust to all of the guy's alts so that if he tries to scam again, he can't with any account he already has, and the more accounts he gets, the more likely he might slip up and then that can bring down entire scams by linking the account back to a previous account that scammed. Most of this will be easier since all of the data about the sales of the accounts are already located on this forum. You don't have to go and hunt around in other forums and try to get other people from other forums to give up data for a scam accusation, it is all already here in one place.

[Deluxee]

He also advertised on the forum, and the forum ad most likely got many more views then the signature campaign posts did.

Like I said, the fact that he was using an obviously purchased account played zero in the scam being successful. He directed people to a website that directed people to other fake websites that appeared to be trustworthy. I don't think anyone investigated how trustworthy the person running it was.

>advertised on the forum
Sure. Smoking is bad for you. So is sucking on a shotgun, and absentmindedly pulling the trigger. One is simpler to avoid than the other.
Start by not allowing account sales and sig campaigns. Then we can see what could be done about thermos promoting scams.
Baby steps.

>played zero in the scam being successful.
False. Sure, it could have been accomplished differently, just as

terrorists don't have to use Kalashnikovs to kill people. They could have amade some shitty nitric explosives, or simply smothered people to death with pillows.

@Blazed: Then why ban links to phishing sites? Since linking to phishing sites is not allowed, clooless noobs are lulled into thinking that phishing links don't exist, a sense of false security [& all the rest of the bullshit rationale for allowing account sales].

@Pattart re "I don't think that any Bitcoin has been returned to scam victims ever really": Never happened in 6+ years, so irrelevant.

[Quickseller]

trolling

Anyway, you are an idiot, and are incapable of having a mature conversation. Welcome to my ignore list.

Hopefully this account will get banned for trolling, and caught in the mess will be your main account that will also get banned by virtue of when one account is banned, they all are.

[Deluxee]

Nice chatting with you

You too, buddy! Be well

[BadBear]

tell me if the owners of theses projects had a bought accounts or not.

If people die without getting shot, why make murder illegal? Is that your question?

>No one can stop a scammer from committing a fraud with a bought account.
No one is saying that people can't scam without buying an account. A bought account simply makes it easier.

I've always found this to be a flawed argument, and not sure why you stick to it. One, murder, is the crime. The other, account selling, is a tool that can be used to commit a crime. A more apt analogy would be to compare account sales to gun or knife sales, tools that can be used to commit the crime.

It also makes the posts much more amusing to read when you picture a soccer mom screaming about how guns are evil and should be banned, though I suppose that depends on your stance about that. 

[Spoetnik]

>Why create a new account just to post this?
Because fear of retaliation.

Tell me about it i have had a million threats of different types here.. hunted & Trolled for Life !

[Deluxee]

tell me if the owners of theses projects had a bought accounts or not.

If people die without getting shot, why make murder illegal? Is that your question?

>No one can stop a scammer from committing a fraud with a bought account.
No one is saying that people can't scam without buying an account. A bought account simply makes it easier.

I've always found this to be a flawed argument, and not sure why you stick to it. One, murder, is the crime. The other, account selling, is a tool that can be used to commit a crime. A more apt analogy would be to compare account sales to gun or knife sales, tools that can be used to commit the crime.

It also makes the posts much more amusing to read when you picture a soccer mom screaming about how guns are evil and should be banned, though I suppose that depends on your stance about that.  

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or a place where usurers prey on degenerate gamblers.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how a problem could be solved by thinking outside the box?

[Patejl]

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how you can solve a problem by thinking outside the box?

Shut your crap already, this is a private forum not something to "advance Bitcoin" if you don't like it, go to the those other forum where you're spammed with ref links ponzis and what not , at least here they are moderated quite good.
Buying account increases forum traffic, because of signature campaigns, which inturn benefit signature campaign owners, participants and the sites. Some scams along the way, well just Caveat emptor, if you know accounts are being bought you'll get more suspicious and which will prevent you from other scammers as well.

[Deluxee]

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how you can solve a problem by thinking outside the box?

Shut your crap already, this is a private forum not something to "advance Bitcoin" <snip>

Dead wrong, Friend. It is a forum started to advance Bitcoin.

Satoshi didn't start this place for you to scratch out pennies by whoring out your signature, and then lose those pennies to other, slightly smarter scumbags in the gambling section.
Fuck you

[Patejl]

Dead wrong, Friend. It is a forum started to advance Bitcoin.

Satoshi didn't start this place for you to scratch out pennies by whoring out your signature, and then lose those pennies to other, slightly smarter scumbags in the gambling section.
Fuck you

Yeah right...
I believe "Satoshi" would've been here a long ago if he actually wanted to put a stop to this. He's not, and he's chosen the admins carefully who think in best interest of the forum. Just wonder how popular bitcointalk would be without all the drama, signatures etc and only "Technical discussion" . The ones who don't wear signature(except a select few), come and answer questions in weeks.
Edit: Thanks.

[Deluxee]

Dead wrong, Friend. It is a forum started to advance Bitcoin.

Satoshi didn't start this place for you to scratch out pennies by whoring out your signature, and then lose those pennies to other, slightly smarter scumbags in the gambling section.
Fuck you

Yeah right...
I believe "Satoshi" would've been here a long ago if he actually wanted to put a stop to this. ...

Satoshi left this place a long time ago, thanks, partially, to you & your ilk.
He has not "chosen the admins carefully," no more than Lenin has carefully chosen Stalin. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.

He also did not create this forum in hopes of, someday, getting awesome Alexa ratings by attracting all of the internet's petty thieving lowlifes, thus supporting the mainstream conception of Bitcoin as the currency of greedy but otherwise laughably inept criminals and degenerate gamblers.
You'll have to just take my word on that one

[Patejl]

Satoshi left this place a long time ago, thanks, partially, to you & your ilk.
He has not "chosen the admins carefully" any more than Lenin has carefully chosen Stalin. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.

He also did not create this forum in hopes of, someday, getting awesome Alexa ratings by attracting all of the internet's petty thieving lowlifes, thus supporting the mainstream conception of Bitcoin as the currency of greedy but otherwise laughably inept criminals, and degenerate gamblers.
You'll have to just take my word on that one

Satoshi left before any service was started being promoted, so its not because of the "spam". Admins are good, the forum is supposed to represent all the areas of Bitcoin, which can be seen in Boards and sub-boards, and its just that Gambling happens to be a big part of Bitcoin, believe it or not.
Scams are discouraged due to the "invention" of Trust system, which cannot be abused by any random newbie with lots of alts. And as I said before, Caveat Emptor, look out for yourselves and don't blame the admins for anything that happens.

[Deluxee]

>Gambling happens to be a big part of Bitcoin
So is scamming and halfass criminality. From this we should conclude that bitcointalk should promote shit crime and cater to thieves and scammers? Or?

The rest of your post is simply irrelevant -- "inventing" a trust system would not be necessary if this place wasn't a scamfest. Let me repeat:

That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or a place where usurers prey on degenerate gamblers.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how a problem could be solved by thinking outside the box? Smiley

P.S. re. "Trust system, which cannot be abused by any random newbie with lots of alts": But abusing it with bought alts is just fine.
You bought this account what, Sept. of this year?
Cancer, you are

[Patejl]

>Gambling happens to be a big part of Bitcoin
So is scamming and halfass criminality. From this we should conclude that bitcointalk should promote shit crime and cater to thieves and scammers? Or?

You can't clean out all the scams, DT has done their best part in it and has saved quite a lot of possible scams.

The rest of your post is simply irrelevant -- "inventing" a trust system would not be necessary if this place wasn't a scamfest. Let me repeat:

How exactly is my post irrelevant? If there is a system, there will always be a flaw. If account sales are banned, people will just find new ways of buying them and then all trust ratings will be considered valid which will in turn cause more scam.

P.S. re. "Trust system, which cannot be abused by any random newbie with lots of alts": But abusing it with bought alts is just fine.  

Never said that.. anyway who am I kidding with, I'm just trolling a bigger troll.

You bought this account what, Sept. of this year?

Close enough /sarcasm , isn't someone allowed to use the potential activity they had previously built?

Cancer, you are Smiley

Thanks. Over and out

[Deluxee]

>If there is a system, there will always be a flaw. If account sales are banned, people will just find new ways of buying them and then all trust ratings will be considered valid which will in turn cause more scam.

Not sure if joking or can't read:

That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or a place where usurers prey on degenerate gamblers.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how a problem could be solved by thinking outside the box? Smiley

There is a reason why my bank doesn't have a roulette wheel/gun shop/guy selling used condoms/hookers sucking D in the lobby.
Guess why that is.

ELI5:
- Stop hawking shit on an internet discussion forum, and you wouldn't need any kind of trust system, flawed or not.
-Stop promoting ponzi schemes (illegal pretty much everywhere, and certainly in US, where thermos hails from), or have no foot to stand on when mainstream press paints bitcoin as the currency of scammers and idiots.

>Over and out
Have a nice one, QS

[BadBear]

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade and open discussion as much as possible. I don't "allow" things because I personally find them desirable, I like them, or approve of them.

It's a general ideological position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.

[Fwdxlsh]

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade and open discussion as much as possible. I don't "allow" things because I personally find them desirable, I like them, or approve of them.

It's a general ideological position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.

Hi badbear can I ask you something please?

I know this is off topic so just message me when you see this, then I'll delete it.

But in topic with advice to OP: I think selling accounts is odd, but fine. It probably won't stop scams. It'll probably make it worse, but there's not much we can do. Newbie or legendary, that doesn't automatically make a user trusted or untrusted.

[Deluxee]

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade and open discussion as much as possible. I don't "allow" things because I personally find them desirable, I like them, or approve of them.

It's a general ideological position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.

>I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade
Could you explain to me why no other organization promoting free trade is, simultaneously, pimping scam/phishing websites, selling used rubbers, and promoting ponzis?

> and open discussion as much as possible.
Please explain how:
-Accounts being bought & sold promotes free speech.
-Sig campaign spam?
-Gambling/ponzi scheme subfora?

I don't want you to "disallow" things because I personally find them detestable, I hate them, or disapprove of them.

It's a general ideological commonsensical position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.

[Monnt]

It really, really doesn't prevent scams. In fact, it promotes scanned. Scammers purchase a clean rep account and then scam with it more than they paid for it.