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November 30, 2015, 07:08:29 PM
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There is report  of independent european economist saying if EU zone will continue his financial policy EU will crash in 2017

Today  Carl Hainz Juncker said if Schengen will fail  Euro will  crash,like a answer is we have to stop defend Schengen we need to focus to defend Euro

Both Schengen zone and Euro  are to biggest EU project,Euro cant exist without Schengen

EU is not able to deal with refugee crisis,  Caltalonia  independence,terrorism,Ukraine and Russia,Greece,Italy

so looks like some crash on horizon
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November 30, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
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There is report  of independent european economist saying if EU zone will continue his financial policy EU will crash in 2017

Today  Carl Hainz Juncker said if Schengen will fail  Euro will  crash,like a answer is we have to stop defend Schengen we need to focus to defend Euro

Both Schengen zone and Euro  are to biggest EU project,Euro cant exist without Schengen

EU is not able to deal with refugee crisis,  Caltalonia  independence,terrorism,Ukraine and Russia,Greece,Italy

so looks like some crash on horizon
Could you send a link to this report? Why the Euro cant exist without Schengen?  Huh

All continents have problems with terrorism, I don't think this is specific for the EU.

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November 30, 2015, 08:11:16 PM
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There is report  of independent european economist saying if EU zone will continue his financial policy EU will crash in 2017

Today  Carl Hainz Juncker said if Schengen will fail  Euro will  crash,like a answer is we have to stop defend Schengen we need to focus to defend Euro

Both Schengen zone and Euro  are to biggest EU project,Euro cant exist without Schengen

EU is not able to deal with refugee crisis,  Caltalonia  independence,terrorism,Ukraine and Russia,Greece,Italy

so looks like some crash on horizon

Juncker is one of the biggest political bastards out there.
And I don't understand why the € couldn't exist if borders are closed.Makes no sense this statement.
Juncker is looking for one big european super state.Why do you think those bastards are flooding us with Refugees now?!
That guy is just trying to keep alive his shitty dream of EU.
And sooner or later the € will go down as well. This experiment will die!
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November 30, 2015, 08:14:49 PM
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I see that EUR has been dropped recently and it is near to have the same value as dollar, the crisis affects directly the economy of europe countries and i think a little bit the bitcoin price.
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November 30, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
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I see that EUR has been dropped recently and it is near to have the same value as dollar, the crisis affects directly the economy of europe countries and i think a little bit the bitcoin price.

It hasn't reached the dollar yet. If it will it should be a clear sign that the union is dying.

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November 30, 2015, 09:06:47 PM
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Better sell all your EUR for BTC to hedge against this crash then.. That should be good for the price of BTC, imagine if everyone in Europe got scared of the Euro and bought BTC.

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November 30, 2015, 09:25:13 PM
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The European crisis will probably not make people convert their cash into Bitcoin, because it is very volatile (you can sugar-coat that all you want). However, it will make people resort to investments that have more intrinsic value like gold, silver, etc.

Gold is probably the most popular alternative, but with the long term potential of Bitcoin in mind, Bitcoin will give you quite a save store of wealth option with an amazing price increase as a bonus. It will make you forget gold.
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November 30, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
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oh, this could explain why they are doing the vat free for bitcoin, to encourage more the usage of the euro, nice move europe, i didn't thought about this at first

Better sell all your EUR for BTC to hedge against this crash then.. That should be good for the price of BTC, imagine if everyone in Europe got scared of the Euro and bought BTC.

with the vat free thing, is certainly more convenient than selling dollars for btc
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November 30, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
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I don't think EU will crash. Does EU have many problems, yes it does. But which big country doesn't have them, the whole world is pretty much in crisis! US, China, Brazil, Russia, etc, all of these countries have huge problems just like EU does.

EU has made a mistake that it was growing to fast and countries were accepted that were never ready for EU! EU can maybe shrink to the 8-9 biggest and stronger members, but it will not collapse completely!
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November 30, 2015, 09:45:58 PM
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I think it is not that black and white.

To me if the Uk would distance them more from the EU it will be a bigger catastrophe.

The immigrants problem can be huge in the future though.
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November 30, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
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Sorry  no link,maybe i will find  somethingin Guardian,report is saying the same what Bundestag ,german central bank president is often saying

EBC  QE is not working ,it is nice  excuse for Draghi to increase QE.EU is notlike USA that kind of massive printing is impossibe

You nned to notice EU is 28   independent countrys,but Germany wants to rules  everything

Schengen is like common free EU area .Without Schengen borders will appear one time again
But even without that there is big rebel against Euro and EBC even in Germany
There are already popular new project to create small union of north european countrys.Germany,Holland,Austria,France maybe some Scadinavian countrys
It is first step to create  new EU
It is hard to explain Europe,how it works,many group of interst,historical background what is still alive

One is sure EU has been not  able to create any common working policy for some important issue
and there is no union in European Union
Merkel will goeas away will be replaced by Schauble,compare to Schauble Juncker is like bebe

Look forex and EU stocks .Why dax is rising ,German economy is in trouble,reason fresh virtual debt money on horizon
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November 30, 2015, 11:30:06 PM
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Sorry  no link,maybe i will find  somethingin Guardian,report is saying the same what Bundestag ,german central bank president is often saying

EBC  QE is not working ,it is nice  excuse for Draghi to increase QE.EU is notlike USA that kind of massive printing is impossibe

You nned to notice EU is 28   independent countrys,but Germany wants to rules  everything

Schengen is like common free EU area .Without Schengen borders will appear one time again
But even without that there is big rebel against Euro and EBC even in Germany
There are already popular new project to create small union of north european countrys.Germany,Holland,Austria,France maybe some Scadinavian countrys
It is first step to create  new EU
It is hard to explain Europe,how it works,many group of interst,historical background what is still alive

One is sure EU has been not  able to create any common working policy for some important issue
and there is no union in European Union
Merkel will goeas away will be replaced by Schauble,compare to Schauble Juncker is like bebe

Look forex and EU stocks .Why dax is rising ,German economy is in trouble,reason fresh virtual debt money on horizon
You got a lot of things confused there, it also seems like economics wasn't your course of studies it might be more complex than you think.
Furthermore Zerohedge.com or other doomsday blogs are NOT a great source of information, 95% is noise just saying.
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November 30, 2015, 11:49:28 PM
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There is report  of independent european economist saying if EU zone will continue his financial policy EU will crash in 2017

Today  Carl Hainz Juncker said if Schengen will fail  Euro will  crash,like a answer is we have to stop defend Schengen we need to focus to defend Euro

Both Schengen zone and Euro  are to biggest EU project,Euro cant exist without Schengen

EU is not able to deal with refugee crisis,  Caltalonia  independence,terrorism,Ukraine and Russia,Greece,Italy

so looks like some crash on horizon

The EU has to thank the NATO and US for that mess I think. Also the entire global economic system is one big Ponzi scheme so what we can expect after Euro collapse.  We're in the beginning of the overall world not just economic collapse. It`s what I read and watch almost everywhere, Ukraine, Greece, Turkey, Emirats... When I try to predict outcome of all that I get a headache. I dont know who is smart enough to predict what can happen in near or far future.

           
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December 01, 2015, 12:10:18 AM
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There is report  of independent european economist saying if EU zone will continue his financial policy EU will crash in 2017

Today  Carl Hainz Juncker said if Schengen will fail  Euro will  crash,like a answer is we have to stop defend Schengen we need to focus to defend Euro

Both Schengen zone and Euro  are to biggest EU project,Euro cant exist without Schengen

EU is not able to deal with refugee crisis,  Caltalonia  independence,terrorism,Ukraine and Russia,Greece,Italy

so looks like some crash on horizon

The EU has to thank the NATO and US for that mess I think. Also the entire global economic system is one big Ponzi scheme so what we can expect after Euro collapse.  We're in the beginning of the overall world not just economic collapse. It`s what I read and watch almost everywhere, Ukraine, Greece, Turkey, Emirats... When I try to predict outcome of all that I get a headache. I dont know who is smart enough to predict what can happen in near or far future.

You are too pessimstic. The EURO project was and is very succesfull. The mistake they made was they wanted to expand too fast and too soon.

In a doom scenario we will see some (poor) south european countries and a north european alliance with France and the UK will be preserved.

Else, the politic expansion, which is just rubbish (WTF has Turkey to do in the EU?) will come to an hold.

In a best case scenario greece, cyprus etc will be forced to leave since they don't meet the economic criteria to be a member of the EU + this expansion of adding new countries will be stopped.

In my opinion this is all for the best.
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December 01, 2015, 01:14:36 AM
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Different countries have different social benefits and fiscal policy, EU is not working because of bad economy. EU is in crisis and I believe it's working out. It's not going to collapse, just need to wait for economy to pick up.
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December 01, 2015, 08:50:39 AM
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There is report  of independent european economist saying if EU zone will continue his financial policy EU will crash in 2017

Today  Carl Hainz Juncker said if Schengen will fail  Euro will  crash,like a answer is we have to stop defend Schengen we need to focus to defend Euro

Both Schengen zone and Euro  are to biggest EU project,Euro cant exist without Schengen

EU is not able to deal with refugee crisis,  Caltalonia  independence,terrorism,Ukraine and Russia,Greece,Italy

so looks like some crash on horizon

I don't think so. United Europe is a project more than 65 years old. So things are made very slowly with the aim to do everything in the right way. Any from EU members understand clearly that together are and will be always more stranger and powerful that being lonely. The problems exist in any country. Independently from its sizes. The division and the disintegration of EU cannot solve nothing. Only will increase all the problems for every single country which actually is within this area. This fact is known by every member of EU and all them are responsible people. They will work to solve together all the actual and the future problems. Which will exist always. Of any kind. But that cannot be able never to disintegrate such enormous and fantastic project named Eurozone.
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December 01, 2015, 09:06:15 AM
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Prophets of the apocalypse come and go and the world is still spinning, the same can be said with these 'crisis' and 'economic collapses' types, they all have something in common, they fail in their predictions.

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December 01, 2015, 09:20:40 AM
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The EU kept a lot of these smaller countries from collapse for years now and the stronger nations are carrying the smaller ones. The immigrants is just a small bump in the road, and with or without them, terrorism will still have existed.

One thing is certain, the current economic system will not be able to drag these smaller countries forever and they will eventually fall. ^hmf^

They might even drag these bigger countries down, when they do. As we have seen with the bailouts being given to Greece, even though they know the inevitable will happen in the future.

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December 01, 2015, 09:49:47 AM
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I don't think EU will crash. Does EU have many problems, yes it does. But which big country doesn't have them, the whole world is pretty much in crisis! US, China, Brazil, Russia, etc, all of these countries have huge problems just like EU does.

EU has made a mistake that it was growing to fast and countries were accepted that were never ready for EU! EU can maybe shrink to the 8-9 biggest and stronger members, but it will not collapse completely!

Europe is not a country, they made the euro so they could be a union. One of the biggest problems that they have is Greece, that country alone puts the Euro in a lot of debt and problems for every single country in the EU
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im sure if europe really in crisis, they will exchange their euro to bitcoin and make bitcoin price go up like greek do,it have both positive and negative side, but besides it i hope it won't happen

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