Military Bosses Warned Generalissimo Pigfinder About His Hot Air

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Military chiefs warned Cameron against using 70,000 ‘moderate’ rebels figure

Published time: 4 Dec, 2015 11:48

Ministry of Defence (MoD) bosses warned Prime Minister David Cameron against claiming there are 70,000 moderate Syrian rebels ready to fight Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), fearing the assertion would echo Tony Blair’s Iraq “dodgy dossier.”
The revelation comes after the House of Commons voted to extend airstrikes from Iraq into Syria, with the first bombs falling hours later.

According to the Times newspaper, military figures also feared Cameron’s claim of such a rebel force may lead MPs to wrongly believe there was a ready-made army on the ground in Syria, therefore influencing the vote.

This led to concerns in the upper echelons of the military establishment that such a claim would later become the Syria war’s “dodgy dossier,” echoing Tony Blair’s now debunked 2003 claims that Saddam Hussein’s regime could launch weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes.

“There were Ministry of Defence officials who maybe felt scarred after the previous dossier,” a senior Whitehall source told the Times.

“They looked at the latest text and said that [the 70,000 figure] could become the ‘45 minutes’ moment of this document.

“The concern was … [that the 70,000 figure] will become the one thing that everyone latches on to, like the 45 minutes claim.”

Some of the most vocal critics of Cameron’s claim were among his own party.

During the ten-hour debate on Wednesday, Julian Lewis, Tory chairman of the influential Defence Select Committee, told MPs: “Instead of having dodgy dossiers, we now have bogus battalions of moderate fighters.”

Speaking to Sky News on Thursday, Lewis said: “Where are these magical 70,000 people and if they are there fighting, how come they haven’t been able to roll back ISIL/Daesh?”

“Is it that they’re in the wrong place? Is it that they’re fighting each other? Or is it that in reality they’re not all that moderate and that there are a lot of jihadists among them?” he asked.

https://www.rt.com/uk/324733-cameron-syria-moderate-rebels/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS

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The General´s closest ally in the neverending war on terror, President Asswithears, addressed the nation. He symbolically spoke from the White House´s traditional sanctum sanctorum, The Oval Office. He seldom uses this famous setting to spread his tripe, most likely because he knows that most decent Americans reach for the barf bags when they see him there and are reminded of much more substantial personalities of integrity addressing them from there.



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In only his third address to the nation from the Oval Office, President Barack Obama reassured Americans that the United States is equipped to meet the dangerous and "evolving" threat of terrorism.

As U.S. and other Western responses have gained ground against organized, wide-scale terrorist attacks, ISIS and other groups are undertaking "growing efforts by terrorists to poison the minds" of home-grown attackers like the couple who killed 14 people last week in San Bernardino, California, the president said.

A senior administration official said that after the Paris terrorist attacks last month, followed by numerous thwarted ISIS plots and then the San Bernardino shootings, Obama decided he needed to address "the significant concerns and very real and legitimate fears in the United States and around the world."

The president has rarely used the Oval Office — the most symbolic representation of his authority — to speak to the nation. He announced the end of U.S. combat operations in Iraq from there in August 2010, and two months before that, he laid out his plans to secure American energy after the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

The choice of the Oval Office for Sunday night's address reflected "the seriousness with which we are taking the issue," the official said. At the same time, the address was meant to "step back and provide context for people," not to announce new policies or strategies, the official said.

Obama referred to history in reinforcing the message Sunday night:

"Let's not forget that freedom is more powerful than fear, that we have always met challenges — whether war or depression, natural disasters or terrorist attacks — by coming together around our common ideals as one nation, as one people," he said. "So long as we stay true to that tradition, I have no doubt America will prevail."

Blablahhhhbla.  

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It sure is equipped to meet the dangerous and "evolving" threat of terrorism.

US national security
US has trained only 'four or five' Syrian fighters against Isis, top general testifies
Senators appear incredulous and call for a new plan after hearing news that US military’s $500m effort has resulted in training of only a handful of fighters

“We’re talking four or five,” General Lloyd Austin, commander of US Central Command, told a dissatisfied Senate armed services committee on Wednesday.

The training initiative is Barack Obama’s linchpin for retaking Syrian territory from Isis. The Pentagon anticipated in late 2014 that it would have trained 5,000 anti-Isis Syrian rebels by now.

Spencer Ackerman in New York
@attackerman
Wednesday 16 September 2015 16.54 BST

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/16/us-military-syrian-isis-fighters

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Syria President Bashar Al-Assad says British air strikes will fail and mocks David Cameron ‘farce’

Mr Assad says RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his regime

Matt Payton 2 hours  ago

Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad has claimed British bombing raids against Isis targets in his country will fail – and ridiculed Cameron’s Middle East policy as a “classical farce”.

In an interview with the Sunday Times within his Damascus compound, Mr Assad said the RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his regime.

He said: “You cannot defeat them [Isis] through air strikes alone. You cannot defeat them without co-operation with forces on the ground.

“You cannot defeat them if you do not have buy-in from the general public and the government …They are going to fail again.”

It comes after MPs gave their backing to British air strikes in Syria, with the oil fields operated by militant group Isis targeted.

Britain is only dipping a toe in this war on Isis
Mr Assad went on to praise his Russian allies, who he said entered the Syrian conflict “the legal way”.

“The Russians can see this clearly, they want to protect Syria, Iraq, the region — and even Europe,” he said.

“I am not exaggerating by saying they are protecting Europe today.”

Mr Assad poured scorn on the British Prime Minister’s assertion that 70,000 moderate rebels could defeat Isis on the ground.

He said: “This is a new episode in a long series of David Cameron's classical farce ... where are they? Where are the 70,000 moderates he is talking about? There is no 70,000. There is no 7,000.”

Mr Assad blamed Europe for producing terrorists, stating: “How many extremist cells now exist in Europe?

“How many extremists did you export from Europe to Syria? This is where the danger lies. The danger is in the incubator.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-president-bashar-al-assad-says-british-air-strikes-will-fail-and-mocks-david-cameron-farce-a6762591.html

[bryant.coleman]

The only active "rebel" forces in Syria which are having a strength of 70,000 or more are the Al Nusra Front, and the ISIS. The American trained FSA groups number less than 10 individuals, as per the latest reports from Syria. It seems to me that he was referring to the Al Nusra Front, while talking about the rebels. Arming the Al Nusra, so that they could fight against the ISIS? Brilliant. It is like injecting HIV to someone's blood, hoping that it wil kill off a cancerous growth.

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Yeah, when nutballs like Cameron, Obama, McCain and others refer to al-Nusra (al-Queda´s franchise in Syria) as moderate opposition, it´s the nth confirmation that they´re totally certifiable and certainly extremely dangerous. Mentally unstable people usually are, especially if they´re untreated and have access to heavy weaponry.

When the Russians have finished clearing Syrian territory this terror crap will be in, that´s right Turkey, and from there to Europe and probably the U.S. as well. They´ll want to be with those who talk so well of them and support them . And the public in the west will reap the benefits of having batshit crazy leadership.

[bryant.coleman]

Yeah, when nutballs like Cameron, Obama, McCain and others refer to al-Nusra (al-Queda´s franchise in Syria) as moderate opposition, it´s the nth confirmation that they´re totally certifiable and certainly extremely dangerous. Mentally unstable people usually are, especially if they´re untreated and have access to heavy weaponry.

The Saudis would love to label the Al Nusra as "moderates". After all, they are the major sponsors for this group (along with the Qataris). McCain and Hillary Clinton are on their payroll, so I would expect them to blabber whatever the Saudis teach them.

Anyway... I am not sure for how long the Saudis will be able to sponsor the Al Nusra. In the past 4 or 5 months time, they have burnt through almost $75 billion of their reserves in Yemen alone.

[galdur]

Well, when those characters talk about moderate opposition they of course mean moderate relative to ISIS. Which may seem true but personally I think that this moderation mostly applies to the different approach, methodology of these groups to their goal. Those al-Queda "moderates" are much  more subtle and insidious than ISIS, and are  therefore more difficult to contain or defeat. Precisely the ticket for western nutjobs that want endless wars.

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Hmmm, two FOX News commentators suspended for using profanities while criticizing Pres. Asswithears.

Ralph Peters, a Fox News "strategic analyst," called the president a "total pu---" who "doesn't want to hurt our enemies."
A couple of hours later Stacey Dash, a Fox contributor, said the president "didn't give a sh--" about Sunday night's terrorism speech.
"Earlier today, Fox contributors Lt. Col. Ralph Peters and Stacey Dash made comments on different programs that were completely inappropriate and unacceptable for our air," Fox senior executive vice president Bill Shine said.
"Fox Business Network and Fox News Channel do not condone the use of such language, and have suspended both Peters and Dash for two weeks," he said.

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Syria President Bashar Al-Assad says British air strikes will fail and mocks David Cameron ‘farce’

Mr Assad says RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his regime

Matt Payton 2 hours  ago

• Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad has claimed British bombing raids against Isis targets in his country will fail – and ridiculed Cameron’s Middle East policy as a “classical farce”.

In an interview with the Sunday Times within his Damascus compound, Mr Assad said the RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his ree.gim

He said: “You cannot defeat them [Isis] through air strikes alone. You cannot defeat them without co-operation with forces on the ground.

“You cannot defeat them if you do not have buy-in from the general public and the government …They are going to fail again.”

It comes after MPs gave their backing to British air strikes in Syria, with the oil fields operated by militant group Isis targeted.

Britain is only dipping a toe in this war on Isis
Mr Assad went on to praise his Russian allies, who he said entered the Syrian conflict “the legal way”.

“The Russians can see this clearly, they want to protect Syria, Iraq, the region — and even Europe,” he said.

“I am not exaggerating by saying they are protecting Europe today.”

Mr Assad poured scorn on the British Prime Minister’s assertion that 70,000 moderate rebels could defeat Isis on the ground.

He said: “This is a new episode in a long series of David Cameron's classical farce ... where are they? Where are the 70,000 moderates he is talking about? There is no 70,000. There is no 7,000.”

Mr Assad blamed Europe for producing terrorists, stating: “How many extremist cells now exist in Europe?

“How many extremists did you export from Europe to Syria? This is where the danger lies. The danger is in the incubator.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-president-bashar-al-assad-says-british-air-strikes-will-fail-and-mocks-david-cameron-farce-a6762591.html

If air strikes have not succeeded in Iraq or elsewhere against ISIS, it stands to reason that it may not succeed in Syria against ISIS.

Both Obama, Cameroon and their ilk are not fools. They have their objectives. Those objectives do not seem to include defeating ISIS completely but may include making them not too strong. Think of it, if there is no ISIS, and there is peace in the Middle East, how much relevance would America have in the religion?

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Syria President Bashar Al-Assad says British air strikes will fail and mocks David Cameron ‘farce’

Mr Assad says RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his regime

Matt Payton 2 hours  ago

• Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad has claimed British bombing raids against Isis targets in his country will fail – and ridiculed Cameron’s Middle East policy as a “classical farce”.

In an interview with the Sunday Times within his Damascus compound, Mr Assad said the RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his ree.gim

He said: “You cannot defeat them [Isis] through air strikes alone. You cannot defeat them without co-operation with forces on the ground.

“You cannot defeat them if you do not have buy-in from the general public and the government …They are going to fail again.”

It comes after MPs gave their backing to British air strikes in Syria, with the oil fields operated by militant group Isis targeted.

Britain is only dipping a toe in this war on Isis
Mr Assad went on to praise his Russian allies, who he said entered the Syrian conflict “the legal way”.

“The Russians can see this clearly, they want to protect Syria, Iraq, the region — and even Europe,” he said.

“I am not exaggerating by saying they are protecting Europe today.”

Mr Assad poured scorn on the British Prime Minister’s assertion that 70,000 moderate rebels could defeat Isis on the ground.

He said: “This is a new episode in a long series of David Cameron's classical farce ... where are they? Where are the 70,000 moderates he is talking about? There is no 70,000. There is no 7,000.”

Mr Assad blamed Europe for producing terrorists, stating: “How many extremist cells now exist in Europe?

“How many extremists did you export from Europe to Syria? This is where the danger lies. The danger is in the incubator.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-president-bashar-al-assad-says-british-air-strikes-will-fail-and-mocks-david-cameron-farce-a6762591.html

If air strikes have not succeeded in Iraq or elsewhere against ISIS, it stands to reason that it may not succeed in Syria against ISIS.

Both Obama, Cameroon and their ilk are not fools. They have their objectives. Those objectives do not seem to include defeating ISIS completely but may include making them not too strong. Think of it, if there is no ISIS, and there is peace in the Middle East, how much relevance would America have in the religion?

Yeah, you wanted to write region there. It´s about most of the world at this point actually. This ISIS vermin is spreading like cockroaches. And some places they´re pretty well entrenched already. Elsewhere they sow discord and polarization while they get more legs. It was madness to create the breeding ground for them in the first place and it´s total lunacy if people think that they can be somehow "contained". And of course there´s also al-Queda and its franchises here and there to contend with.

I haven´t said that the people in charge are fools. They aren´t fools, they´re freaking nuts, I think that should be clear to most people by now and if it isn´t well there´s nothing to do but watch them continue creating even more terror with their "war" against terror.

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Syria President Bashar Al-Assad says British air strikes will fail and mocks David Cameron ‘farce’

Mr Assad says RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his regime

Matt Payton 2 hours  ago

• Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad has claimed British bombing raids against Isis targets in his country will fail – and ridiculed Cameron’s Middle East policy as a “classical farce”.

In an interview with the Sunday Times within his Damascus compound, Mr Assad said the RAF air strikes were illegal and detrimental to anti-terror operations being undertaken by his ree.gim

He said: “You cannot defeat them [Isis] through air strikes alone. You cannot defeat them without co-operation with forces on the ground.

“You cannot defeat them if you do not have buy-in from the general public and the government …They are going to fail again.”

It comes after MPs gave their backing to British air strikes in Syria, with the oil fields operated by militant group Isis targeted.

Britain is only dipping a toe in this war on Isis
Mr Assad went on to praise his Russian allies, who he said entered the Syrian conflict “the legal way”.

“The Russians can see this clearly, they want to protect Syria, Iraq, the region — and even Europe,” he said.

“I am not exaggerating by saying they are protecting Europe today.”

Mr Assad poured scorn on the British Prime Minister’s assertion that 70,000 moderate rebels could defeat Isis on the ground.

He said: “This is a new episode in a long series of David Cameron's classical farce ... where are they? Where are the 70,000 moderates he is talking about? There is no 70,000. There is no 7,000.”

Mr Assad blamed Europe for producing terrorists, stating: “How many extremist cells now exist in Europe?

“How many extremists did you export from Europe to Syria? This is where the danger lies. The danger is in the incubator.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-president-bashar-al-assad-says-british-air-strikes-will-fail-and-mocks-david-cameron-farce-a6762591.html

If air strikes have not succeeded in Iraq or elsewhere against ISIS, it stands to reason that it may not succeed in Syria against ISIS.

Both Obama, Cameroon and their ilk are not fools. They have their objectives. Those objectives do not seem to include defeating ISIS completely but may include making them not too strong. Think of it, if there is no ISIS, and there is peace in the Middle East, how much relevance would America have in the religion?

Yeah, you wanted to write region there. It´s about most of the world at this point actually. This ISIS vermin is spreading like cockroaches. And some places they´re pretty well entrenched already. Elsewhere they sow discord and polarization while they get more legs. It was madness to create the breeding ground for them in the first place and it´s total lunacy if people think that they can be somehow "contained". And of course there´s also al-Queda and its franchises here and there to contend with.

I haven´t said that the people in charge are fools. They aren´t fools, they´re freaking nuts, I think that should be clear to most people by now and if it isn´t well there´s nothing to do but watch them continue creating even more terror with their "war" against terror.

Giant like America failed in Syria without the cooperation of Syrian Government. UK will definitely fail.
Why Russia is winning? Because Russia is cooperating with Syrian Government. Russia does not have agenda of Regime change.
What we will think if some big power wants our regime change?

[bryant.coleman]

Giant like America failed in Syria without the cooperation of Syrian Government. UK will definitely fail.
Why Russia is winning? Because Russia is cooperating with Syrian Government. Russia does not have agenda of Regime change.
What we will think if some big power wants our regime change?

The ordinary citizens of Syria hate the Americans as well as the Saudis. When these sides are rooting for the regime change, normally the people would go for the "less evil" alternative, that is the current regime of Bashar al Assad. A recent opinion poll by one of the British agencies found that Assad retains the support of more than three-fourth of the population, who live under his control.

[galdur]

More hot air from Gen. Pigfinder:

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Donald Trump has vowed to continue his US presidential campaign amid widespread criticism of his latest remarks on Muslims. Trump, the leading candidate for the Republican Party's nomination, called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the US in the wake of the deadly shootings in San Bernardino, California last week.

The comments drew global condemnation, with UK Prime Minister David Cameron describing them as "divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong". But Trump told the Washington Post he would never back out of the presidential race. The primaries to choose the Republican party's nominee open in six weeks.

"My whole life is about winning. I don't lose often. I almost never lose," he told the paper in an interview conducted on 3 December. "I will never leave the race."

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Nuke bosses

[bryant.coleman]

Donald Trump has vowed to continue his US presidential campaign amid widespread criticism of his latest remarks on Muslims. Trump, the leading candidate for the Republican Party's nomination, called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the US in the wake of the deadly shootings in San Bernardino, California last week.

Understandable. Terrorist activities have been perpetrated recently in the United Kingdom and France, by recent immigrants who happened to be Muslim. The intelligence agencies are unable to filter out the ISIS sympathizers from the harmless immigrants. In this situation, the only way to keep the Western countries safe is to keep out the Muslims.

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Putin shows Pigfinder how it´s done

VLADIMIR Putin today showed David Cameron how Russia deals with homegrown terrorists as he launched a huge crack down on Islamic State (ISIS) recruiters.

The iron-fisted president has called in his feared secret service to round up thousands of jihadis just hours after it emerged that British police are wilfully letting our extremists flee to safe havens abroad.

Moscow has identified more than 2,900 of its citizens suspected of joining ISIS and other radical Islamist groups, and is actively hunting them down both at home and abroad. ...

express

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Putin Mauls Pigfinder in Express Poll

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Putin for PM: 4 out of 5 say they would prefer Russian president than Cameron as UK leader

RUSSIAN President Vladimir Putin has beaten David Cameron to be crowned the most popular choice for the next prime minster of the United Kingdom.

By TOM BATCHELOR
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Fri, Dec 18, 2015 | UPDATED: 17:42, Fri, Dec 18, 2015



The ex-KGB strongman attracted the support of four out of five Express.co.uk readers, compared with just one in five who opted for the current PM running the country.

Asked 'Who would you rather was Britain's prime minister?', 78 per cent chose the Russian president, while 22 per cent voted for Mr Cameron.

The poll of 1,000 people follows an Express.co.uk survey on Putin's airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, which found more than 70 per cent of readers supported the bombing raids.

Putin's popularity has soared in recent months, with a Russian poll carried out in October putting his approval rating at 87 per cent.

In the same month, Mr Cameron's approval rating continued to nosedive with 49 per cent judging him to be doing a bad job.

Putin's popularity in Russia has remained consistently high in the wake of the annexation of Crimea and airstrikes in Syria.

But despite the definitive Express polling, the Russian leader continues to divide opinions in Britain.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/627989/Vladimir-Putin-David-Cameron-poll-who-want-British-PM

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Trolls said...

Yukka10 hours ago
Well it's really a choice between MAN OR A MOUSE I choose the man. Cameron is just a liar, Uturner, dithering idiot it doesn't surprise me at all that more people would choose Putin over Cameron. Putin stands up for his people and his country, our so called leader is a traitor to his people and is giving our country away.. He prefers foreigners to his own people, Putin is a real man and a good leader, and I'm glad the British people have chosen him over our traitor idiot.

TazDevil10 hours ago
The British people have not chosen Putin. Its only the trolls and Ukipers who have chosen him.

jimccc9 hours ago
Oh no, francobob the keyboard 9 stone weakling coward has changed his username to Tazdevil for a few minutes.

nuttynigel9 hours ago
Come on Jim! Have another meltdown! Your meltdowns are brilliant, like King Nigel's abs. VOTE UKIP!

Purple/Hued2 hours ago
jimccc,I see the three stooges with numerous names have been allowed out after their usual Friday ventures,

ElainaPhillips6 hours ago
Correct,

Spartan Man 55 hours ago
He's not correct. Authentic social conservatives choose Putin.


EddieR12 hours ago
Are we mad ? Putin is an autocrat - a secret policeman in political disguise - how very unBritish of those who want him
Britons have always fought for the under-dog against the bully - How low as our nation fallen to side with one !

Jonjo12 hours ago
What do you think Cameron is? No four-letter words please!