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[mexxer-2]

UID: 119527
Bitcoin address: 17ytBPKF9koB3VrY2HLotsiChmuDsxT7Yo
Starting Post Count(including this post): 635
Forum Rank at time of entry: Hero


Any spots available?

Yep, please read the rules and use the signature. Sheet will be updated a bit later

[lucasjkr]

OK, rules read, and signature added. Thank you.

[Operatr]

Name:   Operatr
Posts:   1072
Activity:   616
Position:   Hero Member
Bitcoin address:   1CwWrUcW2bdCRagP3BME1wPe4jDPPBQFv7

[mexxer-2]

I apologize for the bad news , but the escrow for the campaign , i.e master-p seems to have "exit-scammed"^[1]. As he was the only person who had access to the campaign funds, I'm sorry to say that the campaign will be discontinuing with no payments for the last month.

Apologies for any inconveniences again
In case the new owner of the "master-p" account returns and refunds(highly unlikely), everyone will be paid out.

Follow-up [1]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.0

[Lutpin]

As he was the only person who had access to the campaign funds, I'm sorry to say that the campaign will be discontinuing with no payments for the last month.
In case the new owner of the "master-p" account returns and refunds(highly unlikely), everyone will be paid out.

Putting being scammed by the escrow aside, shouldn't the person behind the campaign step foreward and pay the participants himself?
The users in this campaign did nothing wrong. I think it would put ecoin in a bad light if you wouldn't honor the work they did,
no matter whether or not paster-p returns the escrowed funds.
I can see why you would want to end the campaign, but dont go out with outstanding payments.
At least partly pay the participants for the days that already have passed.
Anything else would be below you!

[mexxer-2]

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Repeating myself

Putting being scammed by the escrow aside, shouldn't the person behind the campaign step foreward and pay the last period himself?
The users in this campaign did nothing wrong. I think it would put ecoin in a bad light if you wouldn't honor the work they did.
I can see why you would want to end the campaign, but dont go out with uncredited outstanding payments.
Thats below you!

As you already know, the campaign was already not sustainable to run for the another period. I'm not quite sure that the owners might agree to paying for something(double the amount) for something that was clearly not their fault.
Lastly, I'm only acting as the person who manages the details of the campaign, post counts, users who should be accepted etc. The payments was escrow's responsibility.

Lastly, I myself was charging only 0.04 per month(for both campaigns), not a significant amount , but thought of my loss?

[siameze]

Well damn, and just when I joined up too. 

I'll give him a bit, but is there a link to discussion on him exit scamming?

[mexxer-2]

I'll give him a bit, but is there a link to discussion on him exit scamming?

Here

Follow-up [1]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.0

[botany]

I apologize for the bad news , but the escrow for the campaign , i.e master-p seems to have "exit-scammed"^[1]. As he was the only person who had access to the campaign funds, I'm sorry to say that the campaign will be discontinuing with no payments for the last month.

Apologies for any inconveniences again
In case the new owner of the "master-p" account returns and refunds(highly unlikely), everyone will be paid out.

Follow-up [1]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.0

Any chance that e-coin would give some payment to the current participants? 
I know that we did take our chances with the escrow.

[mexxer-2]

Any chance that e-coin would give some payment to the current participants? 
I know that we did take our chances with the escrow.

I have contacted him regarding this , I wouldn't have my hopes high though, considering the campaign was already unsustainable for them.
Apologies again, for any inconveniences . I for one lost my faith in bitcointalk escrows, only person I'm sticking with as an escrow(if possible) is shorena

[Lutpin]

I have contacted him regarding this , I wouldn't have my hopes high though, considering the campaign was already unsustainable for them.
Apologies again, for any inconveniences . I for one lost my faith in bitcointalk escrows, only person I'm sticking with as an escrow(if possible) is shorena

Bravo, E-Coin.
Thats one way to ruin your business.

[notaek]

^ E-coin can't be blamed for all this. They had faith on master-p and so they escrowed their funds. Probably, they can arrange for some compensation to all the members who participated here, including mesmer for managing it so well.

Well, I am not going to demand them for my procurable payment as I consider this situation nothing more than a sudden disaster. I would rather suggest them to either manage their campaign themselves or pre-fund directly to the new participants (from senior members and above) if they want to continue their campaign from now on.

Good Luck.

[Lutpin]

E-coin can't be blamed for all this.

Agree to disagree. Depending on how they continue to sort out this, they can infact be blamed IMO. Hint: the start doesn't look that good.

Probably, they can arrange for some compensation to all the members who participated here, including mesmer for managing it so well.

They should value any outstanding payments/work that has been done for them. The participants are in no way to blame for this, they didn't select the escrow, they did their part of the contract, delivered their work, this shouldn't be done with on their expenses.

[siameze]

Any chance that e-coin would give some payment to the current participants?  
I know that we did take our chances with the escrow.

I have contacted him regarding this , I wouldn't have my hopes high though, considering the campaign was already unsustainable for them.
Apologies again, for any inconveniences . I for one lost my faith in bitcointalk escrows, only person I'm sticking with as an escrow(if possible) is shorena

This was a letdown for me, but I was only a week in so not a horrible loss I guess. I agree shorena would be a trustworthy escrow for such things.

As Mitchell said in the other thread, you can't blame staff or anyone, this is just how things work sometimes. :/


EDIT: will remove signature and leave feedback later when I can post from non-mobile.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Being an uninvited guest here I would like to put forth my opinions in response to the situation :

I think Campaign Manager is as much responsible of the funds as the campaign owners. Isn't it upto the campaign manager to decide the escrow?If yes,then he should somehow make up to it since he is the first person of contact for the participants from their recruitment to kicking them out.If No,he should again make an attempt to convince the campaign owner that its none of the participants fault but we made a wrong choice hence we must pay the participants for their time.In the end,I know its a long blame game and finally only participants will suffer.I'm not accusing mexxer of anything but just generally relating to the situation, as it might occur in the near future as well.I have idea here (which will probably sort out responsible/serious managers from not-so-serious-one's).Campaign manager should be held responsible from now on for any such kind of situations and this should be made a rule ,if a manager is given a campaign ,he is responsible for any kind of payment loss and that even includes owner running away without paying.Trust me not everybody will like to be a campaign manager then.

[notaek]

They should value any outstanding payments/work that has been done for them. The participants are in no way to blame for this, they didn't select the escrow, they did their part of the contract, delivered their work, this shouldn't be done with on their expenses.

I think you should contact EURO_STACKA. As far as I know, he's the one who appointed mesmer to initiate this campaign.

I already left hope in this and so I immediately started a campaign where funds are paid upfront.

Tl;dr: I'll think twice joining the campaigns where they don't have a backup to their escrowed funds!

[botany]

Any chance that e-coin would give some payment to the current participants? 
I know that we did take our chances with the escrow.

I have contacted him regarding this , I wouldn't have my hopes high though, considering the campaign was already unsustainable for them.
Apologies again, for any inconveniences . I for one lost my faith in bitcointalk escrows, only person I'm sticking with as an escrow(if possible) is shorena

Nothing from them yet? 
They should at least let us know whether we can change our signatures...

[mexxer-2]

Nothing from them yet? 
They should at least let us know whether we can change our signatures...

Euro_Stacka is quite slow in responding. As for the signatures, you can switch to another one once .Me along with him will decide whether to give a part payment or a full amount, i.e you later come back and finish the terms(days remaining) and then take the full payment, you will be informed, or in the worst case , no payment(highly doubt it might happen)

[siameze]

Nothing from them yet? 
They should at least let us know whether we can change our signatures...

Euro_Stacka is quite slow in responding. As for the signatures, you can switch to another one once .Me along with him will decide whether to give a part payment or a full amount, i.e you later come back and finish the terms(days remaining) and then take the full payment, you will be informed, or in the worst case , no payment(highly doubt it might happen)

I just removed mine yesterday since I thought they were suspending the campaign. I'm more than happy to put it back if they are going to continue to advertise via hero and legendary members.

[Lutpin]

I will get an official stance from E-Coin in the next few days. We had hired a campaign manager, sent bitcoin to the escrow of his choosing. We had completely full filled E-Coin's obligation from my point of view. As it stands right now there are 2 victims. The signature posters have not been fully compensated under the agreement, and E-Coin paid 100% for a service it did not receive. This is not an official stance from E-Coin, but my personal observation at reviewing the situation.

I am surprised that the owner of the websites/companies that the sig campaigns were advertising for have not made any kind of announcement saying they will cover payouts as they are responsible for their participants getting paid at the end of the day.

E-Coins obligations are fullfilled at the point each and every participant got his payment (asuming he is eligble to it according to the rules).
Their work is done, they delivered the product to you (advertising).(I don't know what product you did not recieve, maybe the coins you placed in escrow that overreach the pending payout)
Sending BTC to the escrow was only the first step of paying for said work. It was supposed to add pay-security to the participants.
Now that the coins are not going to the participants from said escrow, it would be E-Coins obligation to pay them directly.
They delivered their part of the treaty, it's only fair from you to ensure you deliver yours.

Let us check other campaigns caught in this incident:

To all there are a part of the Coinbet24 signature Campaign.
I see that there is a problem with the escrow for this signature campaign (Master-P).
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We will pay every one of you, I will just discuss with  yahoo62278 how we do it - because we dont want to pay to an escrow again and risk that the right people never have there payment!

QS thank you for your kind gesture I really do appreciate it! But I can't do that and have pmed you
Everyone your payments have been agreed by BVC and he has sent them to me to make payments to you. That will be done in a very short while and I will edit this with the txid etc.
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